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How do we match up against the Beavers - estephan500 - 11-08-2012
Am I right that we are favored by 4-5 points? Why is that?
Asking rhetorically, really. And wanted a chance to see thoughts about this game totally separated from "NunesHoganNunesHoganNunesSuckRuleSuckRuleSuck"
How do we match up against the Beavers - estephan500 - 11-08-2012
Am I right that we are favored by 4-5 points? Why is that?
Asking rhetorically, really. And wanted a chance to see thoughts about this game totally separated from "NunesHoganNunesHoganNunesSuckRuleSuckRuleSuck"
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - dabigv13 - 11-08-2012
Good thread. I've only seen a few OSU games this year, saw a fair amount of their last game against ASU. They look pretty similar to OSU teams of years past on offense, with perhaps less of a dominating running back, and more deep threat at receiver, but it was mostly pro-set offense with a healthy mix of fly sweeps and lateral motion. Those damn fly sweeps have been a persistent thorn in our side, but I think this team will be well equipped to deal with it. My understanding is that their O-Line is a big weakness for them, though I didn't necessarily appreciate that in the limited time I've watched them.
Their defense was pretty good. Obviously the numbers demonstrate they are a superior team at stopping the run, and their points against is very good. I think it should be noted when looking at their ranks in the Pac-12 that their conference slate thus far has been relatively weak. They have yet to play Oregon, USC, or ourselves.
They're a team not too dissimilar from ourselves at this point. If we had faced them with a healthy, early-season Mannion this would be a bit more concerning, but Vaz has put up decent numbers in his place. A stout defense that stops the run and puts pressure on the QB.
Like them, we squeaked by Arizona, and lost a close, low-scoring game at UW. I think with their questions at QB, and our seeming upgrade, combined with our slightly better defense and playing at home puts the line at a very reasonable ~5 points.
To me this game will come down to pressuring their quarterback, like the USC game. They won't be able to run on us consistently, so if we can make Vaz throw the ball with pressure, before his very talented receivers have time to uncover, we'll keep them off the scoreboard. Combine that with a more flexible offense, I think we win by two scores. Obviously a couple big plays from their playmakers, or an ill-advised pick 6 on our end could change things a lot.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - dabigv13 - 11-08-2012
Good thread. I've only seen a few OSU games this year, saw a fair amount of their last game against ASU. They look pretty similar to OSU teams of years past on offense, with perhaps less of a dominating running back, and more deep threat at receiver, but it was mostly pro-set offense with a healthy mix of fly sweeps and lateral motion. Those damn fly sweeps have been a persistent thorn in our side, but I think this team will be well equipped to deal with it. My understanding is that their O-Line is a big weakness for them, though I didn't necessarily appreciate that in the limited time I've watched them.
Their defense was pretty good. Obviously the numbers demonstrate they are a superior team at stopping the run, and their points against is very good. I think it should be noted when looking at their ranks in the Pac-12 that their conference slate thus far has been relatively weak. They have yet to play Oregon, USC, or ourselves.
They're a team not too dissimilar from ourselves at this point. If we had faced them with a healthy, early-season Mannion this would be a bit more concerning, but Vaz has put up decent numbers in his place. A stout defense that stops the run and puts pressure on the QB.
Like them, we squeaked by Arizona, and lost a close, low-scoring game at UW. I think with their questions at QB, and our seeming upgrade, combined with our slightly better defense and playing at home puts the line at a very reasonable ~5 points.
To me this game will come down to pressuring their quarterback, like the USC game. They won't be able to run on us consistently, so if we can make Vaz throw the ball with pressure, before his very talented receivers have time to uncover, we'll keep them off the scoreboard. Combine that with a more flexible offense, I think we win by two scores. Obviously a couple big plays from their playmakers, or an ill-advised pick 6 on our end could change things a lot.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - washingtonismoney - 11-09-2012
We've got the higher ceiling; they've got the higher floor. Defensively, you have to like our chances--OK in the running game, so-so OL, great wideouts. If we can shut down SC, no reason we can't shut them down too.
Our offense versus their defense is tough. Their secondary is quite good. Some disruptive players on the defensive line. Hogan has to make plays but not give the ball away. The offensive line has to play one of its better games of the season.
I think it'll be something like 21-17, but I haven't decided which team scores what.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - washingtonismoney - 11-09-2012
We've got the higher ceiling; they've got the higher floor. Defensively, you have to like our chances--OK in the running game, so-so OL, great wideouts. If we can shut down SC, no reason we can't shut them down too.
Our offense versus their defense is tough. Their secondary is quite good. Some disruptive players on the defensive line. Hogan has to make plays but not give the ball away. The offensive line has to play one of its better games of the season.
I think it'll be something like 21-17, but I haven't decided which team scores what.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - Roberton3 - 11-09-2012
(11-08-2012, 10:04 PM)dabigv link Wrote:My understanding is that their O-Line is a big weakness for them, though I didn't necessarily appreciate that in the limited time I've watched them.
Their starting OL is okay. The biggest problem is they have no depth. If they have any OL injuries, they'll fall apart in a hurry.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - Roberton3 - 11-09-2012
(11-08-2012, 10:04 PM)dabigv link Wrote:My understanding is that their O-Line is a big weakness for them, though I didn't necessarily appreciate that in the limited time I've watched them.
Their starting OL is okay. The biggest problem is they have no depth. If they have any OL injuries, they'll fall apart in a hurry.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - Oasis - 11-09-2012
ESPN was touting one of their DBs yesterday for his ability to pick off passes into the flat.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - Oasis - 11-09-2012
ESPN was touting one of their DBs yesterday for his ability to pick off passes into the flat.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - OutsiderFan - 11-09-2012
I haven't felt this way all season, but I think Stanford is going to crush Oregon State. They have not been playing as well since the BYU game in which they put up 42 points with a first time QB. That game more and more looks like an anomaly similar to Arizona scoring 48 on Stanford, the further it gets away.
After sleep walking through Washington State and getting a spark from Hogan to inspire better play at Colorado, Stanford has had time to re-energize its emotional reserves and get up for a brobdingnagian game tomorrow. The crowd might not pack the place, but it seems those there will provide a great deal of support.
I just didn't see very much from Oregon State the last two weeks that scares me. Stanford's defense is playing great, the offense is now inspired, and I think Beavers players are reading their press clippings a bit about how they are the Rose Bowl front runners. Stanford is going to smack them so hard that people are going to start entertaining the idea of Stanford beating Oregon next week.
This is the week this Stanford team finally starts playing to its potential.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - OutsiderFan - 11-09-2012
I haven't felt this way all season, but I think Stanford is going to crush Oregon State. They have not been playing as well since the BYU game in which they put up 42 points with a first time QB. That game more and more looks like an anomaly similar to Arizona scoring 48 on Stanford, the further it gets away.
After sleep walking through Washington State and getting a spark from Hogan to inspire better play at Colorado, Stanford has had time to re-energize its emotional reserves and get up for a brobdingnagian game tomorrow. The crowd might not pack the place, but it seems those there will provide a great deal of support.
I just didn't see very much from Oregon State the last two weeks that scares me. Stanford's defense is playing great, the offense is now inspired, and I think Beavers players are reading their press clippings a bit about how they are the Rose Bowl front runners. Stanford is going to smack them so hard that people are going to start entertaining the idea of Stanford beating Oregon next week.
This is the week this Stanford team finally starts playing to its potential.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - iyengar06 - 11-10-2012
I think if we can take care of the football, we should be able to come away with the W. Much has been made of the combination of Wheaton and Cooks, but most media types don't seem to realize this isn't the 2009 Stanford secondary. I'm not too worried about their WRs taking over given that we managed Lee and Woods without too many problems.
Hogan just needs to play his game and make smart decisions. We've seen Josh be so risk-averse when throwing the ball that he started short-arming his passes to wide-open targets. We need to find the happy medium: playing to our strengths but not trying to force it. I want to see Hogan get plenty of chances to get outside the pocket, use his athleticism to extend plays, give himself time to think, and make a play with his legs if need be.
On paper we are, in my biased opinion, clearly the more talented team. They're going to have to throw to score, and that means Vaz should be getting well acquainted with Murphy, Chase, Gardner, and all the rest. I think we should be able to run the ball with some success, and Hogan gives us the missing ingredient on offense.
If we win the turnover battle or just stay neutral in that regard, I think we cover the spread.
Re: How do we match up against the Beavers - iyengar06 - 11-10-2012
I think if we can take care of the football, we should be able to come away with the W. Much has been made of the combination of Wheaton and Cooks, but most media types don't seem to realize this isn't the 2009 Stanford secondary. I'm not too worried about their WRs taking over given that we managed Lee and Woods without too many problems.
Hogan just needs to play his game and make smart decisions. We've seen Josh be so risk-averse when throwing the ball that he started short-arming his passes to wide-open targets. We need to find the happy medium: playing to our strengths but not trying to force it. I want to see Hogan get plenty of chances to get outside the pocket, use his athleticism to extend plays, give himself time to think, and make a play with his legs if need be.
On paper we are, in my biased opinion, clearly the more talented team. They're going to have to throw to score, and that means Vaz should be getting well acquainted with Murphy, Chase, Gardner, and all the rest. I think we should be able to run the ball with some success, and Hogan gives us the missing ingredient on offense.
If we win the turnover battle or just stay neutral in that regard, I think we cover the spread.