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OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - DC 86 - 12-15-2021
The #1 overall recruit in the class according to the 247 composite (Travis Hunter) flipped this morning from Florida State to Jackson State (HBCU coached by Deion Sanders) - a stunning development. Top-300 recruits almost never go to FCS schools, much less Top-1.
The backstory is that Barstool Sports and Penn National Gaming have signed him to a multi-million dollar NIL deal, reportedly contingent on playing for Deion at Jackson State.
Of course NIL isn't the only reason to go there, but it made it viable.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - JohnR34231 - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 01:20 PM)DC 86 Wrote: The #1 overall recruit in the class according to the 247 composite (Travis Hunter) flipped this morning from Florida State to Jackson State (HBCU coached by Deion Sanders) - a stunning development. Top-300 recruits almost never go to FCS schools, much less Top-1.
The backstory is that Barstool Sports and Penn National Gaming have signed him to a multi-million dollar NIL deal, reportedly contingent on playing for Deion at Jackson State.
Of course NIL isn't the only reason to go there, but it made it viable.
Living in Tallahassee, I am something of an FSU fan. Actually I tutor at the athletic department.
Sucks for the 'Noles. They have had more than their share of slings and arrows in the last few years.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - ca245 - 12-15-2021
Good for the HBCU, but when an NIL is conditioned on the student-athlete (SA) playing for a specific school, it is saying your NIL alone is worth X dollars, but if you play for this school, it is worth (X + nX) dollars where n is a very large multiplier. In effect, the SA is being paid nX dollars to play for the school. This smacks of pay-for-play — I.e., professionalism. Down the road, certain football factory schools will have the money to play this NIL game better than HBCU schools or Stanford can afford (or be willing) to play.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - cardcrimson - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 01:42 PM)ca245 Wrote: Good for the HBCU, but when an NIL is conditioned on the student-athlete (SA) playing for a specific school, it is saying your NIL alone is worth X dollars, but if you play for this school, it is worth (X + nX) dollars where n is a very large multiplier. In effect, the SA is being paid nX dollars to play for the school. This smacks of pay-for-play — I.e., professionalism. Down the road, certain football factory schools will have the money to play this NIL game better than HBCU schools or Stanford can afford (or be willing) to play.
Who could have seen that coming. . . .
Interesting though, in this case it's also tied to Deion. Read somewhere that "his stage is just a little bit brighter." Wonder how much he got for signing him.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - DC 86 - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 01:39 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Living in Tallahassee, I am something of an FSU fan. Actually I tutor at the athletic department.
Sucks for the 'Noles. They have had more than their share of slings and arrows in the last few years.
Deion won't be welcome on campus at his alma mater for a year or two I assume (until he replaces Norvell and Hunter transfers with him.)
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - JohnR34231 - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 01:51 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(12-15-2021, 01:39 PM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Living in Tallahassee, I am something of an FSU fan. Actually I tutor at the athletic department.
Sucks for the 'Noles. They have had more than their share of slings and arrows in the last few years.
Deion won't be welcome on campus at his alma mater for a year or two I assume (until he replaces Norvell and Hunter transfers with him.)
Another losing year and I think Norvell is history. It may not be that long.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - TrumpCard - 12-15-2021
If this is how NCAA revenue sports are going to work, then the pro leagues should dispense with the age-related requirements. If 18 y/o’s are going to be professional athletes either way, they may as well be part of a union, get proper compensation, and have better protection from the worlds of casinos and sports betting. Removing the recruits who want to play for pure (sometimes short term) profit will be good for the NCAA now as it will allow schools to recruit student athletes who place some value on the education (and football training) they receive in college. And even better for Stanford for obvious reasons.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - jonnyss - 12-15-2021
my hunch is that the ncaa will refine the rules over the next few years. free agency, by comparison, in most pro sports, has rules about what is allowed and what is not.
i don't see why the ncaa can't say nil may not be tied to a particular school. they can even say it may not come from a booster. many pro sports leagues have a per-team compensation limit. the ncaa could add that as well.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - DC 86 - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 02:39 PM)jonnyss Wrote: my hunch is that the ncaa will refine the rules over the next few years. free agency, by comparison, in most pro sports, has rules about what is allowed and what is not.
i don't see why the ncaa can't say nil may not be tied to a particular school. they can even say it may not come from a booster. many pro sports leagues have a per-team compensation limit. the ncaa could add that as well.
The NCAA can't simply impose unilateral limits; the Alston decision (decided 9-0 by the US Supreme Court) already ruled on this.
Pro sports have collectively bargained their rules with players unions.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - Farm93 - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 02:52 PM)DC 86 Wrote:Unless Stanford has some very wealthy alums willing to just give 18 year-olds big money for appearing in ads for their firm/company/foundation this NIL path looks bleak for Stanford. The path also looks bleak for schools in the Pac-12 with limited influence in their community and/or are in relatively small communities. (Cal, ASU, Washington State, Oregon State)(12-15-2021, 02:39 PM)jonnyss Wrote: my hunch is that the ncaa will refine the rules over the next few years. free agency, by comparison, in most pro sports, has rules about what is allowed and what is not.
i don't see why the ncaa can't say nil may not be tied to a particular school. they can even say it may not come from a booster. many pro sports leagues have a per-team compensation limit. the ncaa could add that as well.
The NCAA can't simply impose unilateral limits; the Alston decision (decided 9-0 by the US Supreme Court) already ruled on this.
Pro sports have collectively bargained their rules with players unions.
Even the most prominent Pac-12 schools (Oregon, Washington, USC) are not going to be able to keep up with the silly dollars that other schools may find for their athletes through alums that honestly believe their efforts will be good for their alma mater AND good for their business.
I can almost believe a car dealership, or any other commercial enterprise, in Alabama or Oklahoma could get more business if that company put every member of the OL in their TV and radio ads. However, I don't think signing the UCLA or Washington OLs would generate a meaningful increase in sales for a business in the LA or Seattle markets.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - DC 86 - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 03:52 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(12-15-2021, 02:52 PM)DC 86 Wrote:Unless Stanford has some very wealthy alums willing to just give 18 year-olds big money for appearing in ads for their firm/company/foundation this NIL path looks bleak for Stanford. The path also looks bleak for schools in the Pac-12 with limited influence in their community and/or are in relatively small communities. (Cal, ASU, Washington State, Oregon State)(12-15-2021, 02:39 PM)jonnyss Wrote: my hunch is that the ncaa will refine the rules over the next few years. free agency, by comparison, in most pro sports, has rules about what is allowed and what is not.
i don't see why the ncaa can't say nil may not be tied to a particular school. they can even say it may not come from a booster. many pro sports leagues have a per-team compensation limit. the ncaa could add that as well.
The NCAA can't simply impose unilateral limits; the Alston decision (decided 9-0 by the US Supreme Court) already ruled on this.
Pro sports have collectively bargained their rules with players unions.
Even the most prominent Pac-12 schools (Oregon, Washington, USC) are not going to be able to keep up with the silly dollars that other schools may find for their athletes through alums that honestly believe their efforts will be good for their alma mater AND good for their business.
I can almost believe a car dealership, or any other commercial enterprise, in Alabama or Oklahoma could get more business if that company put every member of the OL in their TV and radio ads. However, I don't think signing the UCLA or Washington OLs would generate a meaningful increase in sales for a business in the LA or Seattle markets.
But it's not an issue of ROI. It's wealthy alums and fans spending money for their own reasons.
According to Forbes Stanford has 28 alums who are billionaires, and many more who are centimillionaires. Stanford could crush in the LOI game if the culture around football here was similar to what exists in the SEC footprint. USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon and Washington have plenty of very wealthy alums and fans. Whether it's a good or bad thing that fans on the west coast are less invested in college football is a different discussion, but nothing prevents Pac-12 schools from competing at the absolute highest level of the NIL game from a financial standpoint. Pac-12 schools can not only "keep up" but they could conquer this space. ROI is irrelevant. Clark Field Collective and Horns With Heart just want to see their team win, they're actually nonprofits.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - 2006alum - 12-15-2021
The paradox is that while there is insanely more disposable income in CA/OR/WA/AZ/CO/UT than in most of the SEC states bar Florida and Georgia, I suspect the wealthy in our neck of the woods do not find 18 year old football players to be influencers in anywhere near the same degree folks in the South do. So if the ultra-wealthy want to invest in Stanford athletes as a pet project, sure. But if they want to get a ROI for those NIL rights, I think I'd probably invest in those southern boys.
BTW, did anyone else see this? He was 32. Anyone who thinks CTE is not going to be a growing deterrent for both those playing and watching football is fooling themselves. It's getting harder and harder look the other way, at least for me. I suspect that is also true for many more in our PAC-12 neck of the woods, and it probably explains why the West Coast is no longer the fertile recruiting ground it used to be.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - washingtonismoney - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 05:21 PM)2006alum Wrote: The paradox is that while there is insanely more disposable income in CA/OR/WA/AZ/CO/UT than in most of the SEC states bar Florida and Georgia, I suspect the wealthy in our neck of the woods do not find 18 year old football players to be influencers in anywhere near the same degree folks in the South do. So if the ultra-wealthy want to invest in Stanford athletes as a pet project, sure. But if they want to get a ROI for those NIL rights, I think I'd probably invest in those southern boys.
I remember a story recently about app developers courting student-athletes. Seems like a natural fit there.
RE: OT: #1 Overall Recruit Flips to HBCU (The Power of NIL) - DC 86 - 12-15-2021
(12-15-2021, 05:21 PM)2006alum Wrote: The paradox is that while there is insanely more disposable income in CA/OR/WA/AZ/CO/UT than in most of the SEC states bar Florida and Georgia, I suspect the wealthy in our neck of the woods do not find 18 year old football players to be influencers in anywhere near the same degree folks in the South do. So if the ultra-wealthy want to invest in Stanford athletes as a pet project, sure. But if they want to get a ROI for those NIL rights, I think I'd probably invest in those southern boys.
Sure, but as I wrote above, the wealthy Texas alums (for example) aren't investing for ROI at all. They simply care more about football than Pac-12 alums.