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CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - cardcrimson - 12-19-2020
According to the AP, the state has denied the Rose Bowl an exemption to allow family members to attend the CFP game scheduled for the Rose Bowl.
Good bye Rose Bowl 2021. Brilliant move Gavin et al. So much more to say, but alas, no politics; is it wrong to post here how terribly the state has handled sports for its citizens. . . .
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - BostonCard - 12-19-2020
(12-19-2020, 06:37 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: According to the AP, the state has denied the Rose Bowl an exemption to allow family members to attend the CFP game scheduled for the Rose Bowl.
Good bye Rose Bowl 2021. Brilliant move Gavin et al. So much more to say, but alas, no politics; is it wrong to post here how terribly the state has handled sports for its citizens. . . .
https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2020/12/17/relentless-covid-surge-jams-pasadenas-huntington-hospital/
Quote:Huntington Hospital is “bursting at the seams,” doctors say, as the San Gabriel Valley’s preeminent healthcare facility finds itself in the same situation as hospitals around the country: Too many coronavirus patients, too few medical providers and no end in sight.
New coronavirus cases are growing exponentially in Pasadena as the city sees an average of 86 new cases a day measuring from Dec. 9 to 16, data analysis shows.
That’s 20 times more cases on average than it was seeing eight weeks ago and twice as many cases compared to just two weeks ago when it was reporting about 43 cases a day on average.
“If you interact with 15 people right now, it’s very likely that one of those 15 people has COVID right now and they don’t even know it,” Dr. Kimberly Shriner, infectious disease specialist for Huntington Hospital, said in an interview on Thursday, Dec. 17.
Maybe not a bad idea.
BC
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - BostonCard - 12-19-2020
The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
BC
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - Treefence - 12-19-2020
(12-19-2020, 09:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
B
ICU capacity down to 0%, but yeah let's play a meaningless football game and have more than just essential personnel in the stands, while all around are likely to by sheltering in place...
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - cardcrimson - 12-19-2020
(12-19-2020, 09:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
BC
Disagree completely. The protocols the NCAA has put in place seem to be relatively successful. They would have been okay, especially as the strains they would have put on hospitals would have been outside of California 14+ days later. Grandstanding by the powers that be. . .
The study I'm looking forward to, is how many players get Covid now that their season is over and they're not subject to rigid protocols. My guess that the infection rate of players will increase significantly. 25%? 50% More? Care to make a guess?
Methinks playing sports ingrains a sense of responsibility that otherwise wouldn't be there. Interesting to see what happens.
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - pefloresjr - 12-20-2020
(12-19-2020, 11:18 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(12-19-2020, 09:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
BC
Disagree completely. The protocols the NCAA has put in place seem to be relatively successful. They would have been okay, especially as the strains they would have put on hospitals would have been outside of California 14+ days later. Grandstanding by the powers that be. . .
The study I'm looking forward to, is how many players get Covid now that their season is over and they're not subject to rigid protocols. My guess that the infection rate of players will increase significantly. 25%? 50% More? Care to make a guess?
Methinks playing sports ingrains a sense of responsibility that otherwise wouldn't be there. Interesting to see what happens.
Your first conclusion of no impact on local hospitals and families is based on a fantasy of hoping that sports won't have negative consequences. Those coming into an area for a bowl game don't arrive via a bubble and don't stay in any magical bubble. They all have varying levels of contact with people and businesses in the area. The fans would have the most contact, while the players would have the least. The arriving fans could easily, and would likely, infect others in the area, some of whom would end up in hospitals and ICUs. Preventing fans from gathering is not grandstanding, its good policy. Fans gathering aren't needed for the players to compete in the game. Your speculation about the high infection rates after athletes isn't really relevant because after all athletes end their seasons they will have to return to their more regular routines and I don't think you are proposing that they all keep playing indefinitely. Regardless of all the speculation, I hope everyone involved in current competition stays safe and everyone has a happy and safe holiday.
Cheers,
Pete F.
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - chrisk - 12-20-2020
Will the Rose Bowl allow its name with the semifinal in Dallas? It is not exactly like the game played in Durham?
And Capital One figures into the equation somehow.
I assume the 3 parties are going to have to come to a financial settlement. In this scenario, does the Rose Bowl owe any money or does it receive some money from CFP and Capital One for allowing the game to be moved?
Chip.burns@glenborough.com - sunnyside sudser - 12-20-2020
I wish the rose bowl had held its ground. Hey playoff committee we tried to change the rules but no fans. We are still ready to have the game. Screw Nd and the rest if they don’t want to come west. Don’t come. If you move it even tho we are ready to host don’t call it the rose bowl and we will host nw and Oregon. Entire season is a joke anyway.
It may be that the rose bowl committee is worried/has heard that maybe you should let this happen because if things keep getting worse you might not even have a game with zero fans.
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - teejers1 - 12-20-2020
(12-19-2020, 09:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
BC
It's a Win-Win decision. I don't see why there is any controversy over this from any side.
The Rose Bowl made a health-based decision; college football made a football/family decision for pretty important games for those players. If they can find a venue willing to host (whose hospitals presumably are not bursting at the seams), then go for it.
Sounds to me like the right call.
I mean, who really cares if the semifinal game is played at the Rose Bowl or at Santa Barbara Community College or whereever? [In fact, I think a a "cozier" venue might be kind of cool for appearance purposes. There's certainly no need for a 50,000+ seat stadium].
Mudhead - Mudhead - 12-20-2020
(12-19-2020, 09:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.With respect, there is also a message to California. The rest of the country is not going to follow rules that make lotttle sense implemented by authorities who fail follow their own rules.Imdont believe there is any evidence that places with spaced searing in stands are substantially worse off than those who shut down.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
BC
Rose Bowl will be quite welcome in Many, many other venues.
RE: Chip.burns@glenborough.com - winflop - 12-20-2020
(12-20-2020, 01:29 AM)sunnyside sudser Wrote: I wish the rose bowl had held its ground. Hey playoff committee we tried to change the rules but no fans. We are still ready to have the game. Screw Nd and the rest if they don’t want to come west. Don’t come. If you move it even tho we are ready to host don’t call it the rose bowl and we will host nw and Oregon. Entire season is a joke anyway.
It may be that the rose bowl committee is worried/has heard that maybe you should let this happen because if things keep getting worse you might not even have a game with zero fans.
My understanding is that the decision was made by state government. The Rose Bowl asked for an exemption and they said no.
There are dozens if not hundreds of sporting events that have taken place with a significantly reduced number of fans. I don't know any of the results in terms of COVID spread, but I would think that if any of them were "super spreader" events we would have heard about it.
This wasn't about whether the event could be conducted safely or not. It was about overzealous paranoia in state government and an ongoing unwillingness to "follow the science"
World War 2 didn't stop the Rose Bowl, but our Governor did.
RE: Chip.burns@glenborough.com - 2006alum - 12-20-2020
(12-20-2020, 09:49 AM)winflop Wrote: World War 2 didn't stop the Rose Bowl, but our Governor did.
Remind me, how many civilian hospitals in Pasadena were full because of World War II?
If you're reaching for a comparison, I'd use the Spanish Flu.
Per Wikipedia,
Quote:World War I's impact on colleges in the country, and the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 eliminated most of that year's scheduled college football games.Despite the Spanish flu wrecking the college football season, the Rose Bowl continued as normal.
BTW, I'd highly recommend folks read this article on LA's battle with the a Spanish flu. Anti-maskers, anti-Vaxxers, religious exceptionalism, outcries against shutdowns, truly: everything old becomes new again.
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - cardcrimson - 12-20-2020
(12-19-2020, 09:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
BC
Movies, tv shows and commercials are still being produced and filmed. The Gov deemed them essential. Loved the imagery of an onset catering tent with its lavish offerings next door to a restaurant that was shuttered. . . .
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - BostonCard - 12-20-2020
(12-20-2020, 10:40 AM)cardcrimson Wrote:(12-19-2020, 09:03 PM)BostonCard Wrote: The college football semifinal game will now be moved to Dallas.
Probably a good thing that they will not be playing in Pasadena, given how dire the situation is. But still, the message that the NCAA is sending is beyond atrocious. Public health rules don't apply to college football, because reasons.
BC
Movies, tv shows and commercials are still being produced and filmed. The Gov deemed them essential. Loved the imagery of an onset catering tent with its lavish offerings next door to a restaurant that was shuttered. . . .
I'm not defending the governor's decisions, which have not helped the matter. Filming should not be considered an essential activity and should have been paused for a few weeks. However, the governor making decisions I don't agree with is not a justification for ignoring or sidestepping public health orders.
Honestly, had the NCAA just said, "Given the severity of COVID-19 situation in Southern California we would like to do our part to prevent further burden on the LA area and are moving the National Semifinal", it would have been colossally disingenuous and hypocritical, but at least it would have acknowledged that public health orders are at least nominally important to follow. Instead the message is "if you don't like the restrictions in one jurisdiction, it is totally fine to go to another jurisdiction with looser restrictions". It's an awful message, and it is why so many of us are sick and tired of following the rules; we view it as hopeless, and we see that if you are influential enough, the rules don't apply to you (and yes, the Governor hosting a party at the French Laundry absolutely fits with that).
BC
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - teejers1 - 12-20-2020
(12-20-2020, 12:11 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Honestly, had the NCAA just said, "Given the severity of COVID-19 situation in Southern California we would like to do our part to prevent further burden on the LA area and are moving the National Semifinal", it would have been colossally disingenuous and hypocritical, but at least it would have acknowledged that public health orders are at least nominally important to follow. Instead the message is "if you don't like the restrictions in one jurisdiction, it is totally fine to go to another jurisdiction with looser restrictions". It's an awful message, and it is why so many of us are sick and tired of following the rules; we view it as hopeless, and we see that if you are influential enough, the rules don't apply to you (and yes, the Governor hosting a party at the French Laundry absolutely fits with that).
BC
I don't "get" the distinction as meaningful in any way, particularly to the population at large.
Most/nearly all folks will view this as the game being moved, for health regulations, to a venue where F&F can attend a national semifinal game. No one will know whether the Rose Bowl said "no one may attend," or if it was Pasadena city or county officials who kiboshed it, or if it was the governor's office. Nor will anyone care.
That strikes me as an acceptable path - one that honors CA's dire situation, and the pretty legit interest of player families to attend such a momentous game, particularly given that attendance at the game itself does not appear high-risk (the ancillaries, of course, are more risky).
Agree that governor's "priorities" are a separate matter - and I didn't know that commercials and other things were being filmed in studios.
P.S. Will they still say the game is being played at "the Rose Bowl," somewhat akin to the Maui Invitational being played in Asheville, NC?
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - martyup - 12-20-2020
IMO, when they play the CFP national semi-final in the Rose Bowl they should not call it the "Rose Bowl Game." That name should be reserved for the once annual match up of the Pac-12 Champion and the Big 10 Champion.
As a matter of fact, I wish they would not supplant traditional bowl games with CFP games at all. They should play those games in stadiums not used for college football bowls. The new Raiders stadium in Vegas would be a great venue for a CFP game.
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - BigJohn043 - 12-20-2020
Color me confused. There is no danger at all in letting a couple of hundred family members attend a game at the Rose Bowl. It is outside and they will have tons of room to spread out. This makes no sense.
OTOH, I understand the concern with a couple of hundred people traveling to the area. But if that is the real problem then why haven't you shut down the airports and the hotels?
None of this makes sense.
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - BostonCard - 12-20-2020
(12-20-2020, 05:10 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote: Color me confused. There is no danger at all in letting a couple of hundred family members attend a game at the Rose Bowl. It is outside and they will have tons of room to spread out. This makes no sense.
OTOH, I understand the concern with a couple of hundred people traveling to the area. But if that is the real problem then why haven't you shut down the airports and the hotels?
None of this makes sense.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/12.3.20-Stay-at-Home-Order-ICU-Scenario.pdf
Quote:Except as otherwise required by law, no hotel or lodging entity in California shall accept or honor out of state reservations for non-essential travel, unless the reservation is for at least the minimum time period required for quarantine and the persons identified in the reservation will quarantine in the hotel or lodging entity until after that time period has expired.
So, hotels have been severely restricted along the lines you mention, but not entirely shut down. You still need lodging for traveling nurses, for example, so you can't completely shut down hotels. I think flights are interstate commerce and thus cannot be shut down by the state.
BC
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - Goose - 12-20-2020
(12-20-2020, 05:43 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I think flights are interstate commerce and thus cannot be shut down by the state.True, but the airport and the roads to the airport are (generally) under state and county control. Using that fact would be difficult, but it could be done if the state/county really felt it necessary.
BC
RE: CA denies Rose Bowl exemption to allow family members in the stands. - BostonCard - 12-20-2020
Fair point. Hawaii did institute a mandatory quarantine on people flying in from out of state, and even arrested a number of people for violating the quarantine.
https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/news/2020/07/17/hawaii-200-quarantine-violation-arrests.html
So, I suppose the state could have instituted a mandatory quarantine of anyone flying in from out of state.
BC