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If only someone had predicted this - BostonCard - 10-25-2020
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1187829299207954437?s=20[/tweet]
That's 1 year ago today.
BC
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Genuine Realist - 10-25-2020
(10-25-2020, 07:41 PM)BostonCard Wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1187829299207954437?s=20[/tweet]
That's 1 year ago today.
BC
The source article is worth reading, because the factors driving the US rating down weren't the ones discussed when the Covid pandemic broke in March.
That said, one of them - lack of confidence in the government - is a devastating critique of Trump.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - BostonCard - 10-25-2020
Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.
BC
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Genuine Realist - 10-25-2020
(10-25-2020, 08:15 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.Covid was actually an opportunity to rebuild some trust, once you accept the reality that there are no magic bullets.
BC
RE: If only someone had predicted this - oldalum - 10-25-2020
(10-25-2020, 08:15 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.that is a very gentle way of putting it. I was thinking more along the lines of, fallen off a cliff.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Mick - 10-25-2020
(10-25-2020, 09:37 PM)oldalum Wrote:(10-25-2020, 08:15 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.that is a very gentle way of putting it. I was thinking more along the lines of, fallen off a cliff.
Congressional approval rating (per Gallup) hit its nadir at 9% approval during the 11/7-10, 2013 polling period. And if I'm not mistaken, there has not been one single Gallup interview period during Trump's entire presidency when Congress's approval rating has surpassed that of Trump's. So there are cliffs, and there are...deep, sunken valleys.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Farm93 - 10-26-2020
(10-25-2020, 11:04 PM)Mick Wrote:Congress has had lower ratings than POTUS for decades. For example, Congress' approval rating has not been above 30% in more than a decade. Even at his lowest levels Trump has never been below 30%. So Congress in the last 10+ years has never had a rating as "good" as the worst rating for POTUS45.(10-25-2020, 09:37 PM)oldalum Wrote:(10-25-2020, 08:15 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.that is a very gentle way of putting it. I was thinking more along the lines of, fallen off a cliff.
Congressional approval rating (per Gallup) hit its nadir at 9% approval during the 11/7-10, 2013 polling period. And if I'm not mistaken, there has not been one single Gallup interview period during Trump's entire presidency when Congress's approval rating has surpassed that of Trump's. So there are cliffs, and there are...deep, sunken valleys.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/politics/poll-of-the-week-congress-approval-rating/index.html
People generally accept their congressperson, dislike many of the others and hate the way congress now operates. That's been true for a very long time now.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Genuine Realist - 10-26-2020
(10-26-2020, 06:09 AM)Farm93 Wrote:We're veering into politics, but the abject failure of Congress is the reason Supreme Court appointments have become so contentious. Only a generation ago, Anthony Scalia and Ruth Ginsberg - both great jurists in their own way, but radically different approaches - could be confirmed by near unanimous majorities.(10-25-2020, 11:04 PM)Mick Wrote:Congress has had lower ratings than POTUS for decades. For example, Congress' approval rating has not been above 30% in more than a decade. Even at his lowest levels Trump has never been below 30%. So Congress in the last 10+ years has never had a rating as "good" as the worst rating for POTUS45.(10-25-2020, 09:37 PM)oldalum Wrote:(10-25-2020, 08:15 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.that is a very gentle way of putting it. I was thinking more along the lines of, fallen off a cliff.
Congressional approval rating (per Gallup) hit its nadir at 9% approval during the 11/7-10, 2013 polling period. And if I'm not mistaken, there has not been one single Gallup interview period during Trump's entire presidency when Congress's approval rating has surpassed that of Trump's. So there are cliffs, and there are...deep, sunken valleys.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/politics/poll-of-the-week-congress-approval-rating/index.html
People generally accept their congressperson, dislike many of the others and hate the way congress now operates. That's been true for a very long time now.
These days, however, actual law is made by Presidential order, then tested by litigation.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Goose - 10-26-2020
(10-26-2020, 08:09 AM)Genuine Realist Wrote: These days, however, actual law is made by Presidential order, then tested by litigation.Sad but true. Both parties are equally guilty in Congress of seeking (perceived, probably not actual) political advantage over the public good. DACA is a great example. Obama really didn't want to "solve" this by an Executive Order, but he couldn't get Congress to act. Obama wasn't even fully convinced what he was doing was legal, but he felt he had no other choice. Both parties were actually glad he did what he did because then the individual congressmen/senators didn't have to actually go on record regarding the issue.
The stupidity here is absolutely obvious. It is clear that whatever the merits, there is not anywhere near enough public support for deporting all the DACA eligible people. Given that, the country needs to do something else to deal with the issue. Yet Congress simply won't.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - DenverCard - 10-26-2020
Not Covid-related, but politically neutral: An episode of the podcast, Hidden Brain (brought to you by Stanford alumnus Shankar Vedantam), provides some insight into why it is so difficult to reach compromises. This episode is somewhat slow to get to the heart of the matter, but it discusses how, when so many issues are viewed as absolute and of great moral significance, compromise is anathema.
https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/moral-combat/
What isn't explored is why this is so much more of a problem than in years past -- say, pre-Obama.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Genuine Realist - 10-26-2020
(10-26-2020, 09:18 AM)DenverCard Wrote: Not Covid-related, but politically neutral: An episode of the podcast, Hidden Brain (brought to you by Stanford alumnus Shankar Vedantam), provides some insight into why it is so difficult to reach compromises. This episode is somewhat slow to get to the heart of the matter, but it discusses how, when so many issues are viewed as absolute and of great moral significance, compromise is anathema.Getting back to the topic, I have to note that any survey of nations in which Lichtenstein finishes first - other than good places to set an operetta - has to be a little suspect.
https://hiddenbrain.org/podcast/moral-combat/
What isn't explored is why this is so much more of a problem than in years past -- say, pre-Obama.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - murky - 10-26-2020
(10-25-2020, 09:37 PM)oldalum Wrote:(10-25-2020, 08:15 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.that is a very gentle way of putting it. I was thinking more along the lines of, fallen off a cliff.
Well the president himself doesn't trust the government. I think that outsider thing played better before he took office.
RE: If only someone had predicted this - Genuine Realist - 10-26-2020
(10-26-2020, 07:21 PM)murky Wrote:There was aforlorn hope in 2017 that the Twitter act was a campaign tactic that Trump would give up once he was in office. Hasn't exactly worked out, and the act is very, very old.(10-25-2020, 09:37 PM)oldalum Wrote:(10-25-2020, 08:15 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Trust in government had been declining for a long time before Trump, so it is not entirely his fault, but it has accelerated under his term.that is a very gentle way of putting it. I was thinking more along the lines of, fallen off a cliff.
Well the president himself doesn't trust the government. I think that outsider thing played better before he took office.