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Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - Snorlax94 - 05-02-2020
As the summer approaches, I find myself thinking about which activities to engage in when the Shelter-In-Place is partially eased. I sorted some activities I am considering from most safe to least safe, and I’d appreciate hearing which you believe is out of place, and why. Assume shopping activities are done by one adult, but recreational activities are done by a family of four with a young child and middle-school child. Assume all activities are only done when cases are relatively low (<10 new confirmed cases a day in Santa Clara County, population ~2M). Some activities appear more than once because I alter the conditions (i.e., indoor vs outdoor, masks vs. no masks). Also, if you disagree with any assumptions in terms of what is the safest way to participate in an activity, I’d appreciate your feedback.
Activities (sorted from most safe to least safe)
1. Stay at home
2. Picnic in a nearby park bringing a blanket from home to eat on the grass. No one within 50’.
3. Have food delivered by Door Dash or Instacart. They leave the food at the door and leave.
4. Take a 40 minute walk around home. Some other walkers, usually 10’ away. About 1-2 joggers jog by 6’ away, wearing masks half the time. Wear cloth masks.
5. Picnic in a nearby park with tables spaced 20’ apart. Bring a cover from home to cover the park picnic table.
6. Get takeout from a restaurant. Cashier at the entrance and no entry required. Wear a cloth mask.
7. Get takeout at a restaurant. Restaurant requires you to stand indoors in the lobby for 10 minutes to get order. Only the cashier inside wears a mask. Wear a cloth mask.
8. Shop at an outdoor store, like a nursery, for 1 hour, while wearing a cloth mask. Customers are fairly spaced out, but occasionally pass by about 5’ away.
9. Drive to a beach staying in 1 fixed location for 2 hours on a mostly-empty weekday afternoon. Other beachers are spaced out, and are generally no closer than 30’ away, except when walking by. (But, arguably, the contact – though outdoors and distant -- is prolonged)
10. Stay at a hotel near a beach town on a weekday when a hotel is ¼-1/2 full. 1 adult checks in wearing a mask. Family members wear a cloth mask when in common areas (lobby, hallways). Use stairwells instead of elevator. Eat food in own room or out. Wipe down surfaces in room (knobs, buttons) with bleach when first arriving, and after each maid service.
11. Get short-term, exclusive use of a pool. IE, thinking of trying to convince a hotel or nearby cabana club to permit families to sign up for 40 minute exclusive use slots with 5 minutes in-between each use. Do not use any shared shower/locker room facilities. Bring towels from home for beach chairs. (Any possible fecal-mouth transmission from young children?)
12. Shop at an indoor, relatively empty specialty shop, like a comic book store, with about 5 people in a 700 square foot shop for 30 minutes. Wear cloth masks.
13. Shop for 1 hour inside a Costco store. Wait in outdoor line for 15 minutes to enter. Shoppers are generally spaced out due to metered entrance. Wait in line of only 2 people to check out. Wear gloves and a high-quality mask. (Ceilings are higher than at Target, and the entrance is always open for better circulation).
14. Shop for 1 hour inside a Target store. Wait in outdoor line for 15 minutes to enter. Shoppers are generally spaced out due to metered entrance. Wait in line of only 2 people to check out. Wear gloves and a high-quality mask. Doors open only during entrance/exit.
15. Dine in outdoor seating at a restaurant during a relatively empty weekday afternoon. Tables spaced 12’ apart. People walk within 10’ on a nearby sidewalk.
16. Invite 1 other family to dinner at our home outside on a patio. Talk for 2 hours outdoors over dinner. Have a 4’x3’ sneeze guard in the middle of the table to separate the two families. No masks.
17. Invite 1 other family to dinner to eat at our home outside on a patio. Talk for 2 hours outdoors over dinner. (No sneeze guard). No masks.
18. Meet 1 other family for dinner at an outdoor restaurant. Tables are spaced 15’ apart outdoors. Talk for 2 hours outdoors over dinner. No masks.
19. Have a short visit to a medical center, like a Sutter Health clinic. Go to lab for a blood draw/test. Wear a surgical mask the whole time. In and out in 40 minutes, due to a wait.
20. Bring whole family to shop inside a Target store for 1 hour. Everyone wears gloves and a cloth mask. We tell children to not touch their faces, to keep their masks on, and maybe they do.
21. Plan a 2 hour playdate for a child and their school mate. Kids go to a nearby park and ride bikes and talk without masks. Park is moderately full, and generally other children stay 5’ away or more.
22. Plan a 2 hour playdate for a child and their school mate. Child and parent visit our home. Kids play cards and video games together. We make sure they wash their hands beforehand and periodically, and try to get them not to touch their faces. No one wears masks.
---------- This is where I’m thinking of drawing the line for my family, and not doing anything below this
23. Attend 30 minute swim lesson in an indoor pool facility. Lessons are spaced out about 3 students per lane, so generally, people are 10’+ apart. (only concern is aerosols from people breathing hard in an indoor space all day, very limited ventilation that is never aired out).
24. Get a haircut. Invite the hairstylist to cut my and my children’s hair in my backyard. She wears a mask, and we tape surgical masks around our faces during the cut.
25. Get a haircut at an indoor salon with 10 stations 15’ apart. Wait in car for appointment, skip the shampoo and hair coloring, offer a mask to the stylist. Hair cut in 20 minutes, while taping a mask to face. Take shower at home.
26. Get a pedicure at an indoor salon with 8 stations 6’ apart. Takes 50 minutes, while wearing a surgical mask.
27. Bring the family to an indoor mall, while wearing masks. Family spend 1 hour in a video game arcade, with about 20 people in a 500 sq ft space. We bring hand sanitizer and periodically remind kids to clean their hands and not touch their faces.
28. Watch a movie in a large IMAX theatre when it is 90% empty, during the first screening of the day (so no previous crowds in the last 10 hours), sitting toward the back of the theatre.
29. Watch a movie in a large IMAX theatre when it is 50% full, during a 7pm weekday screening, sitting toward the back of the theatre.
30. Have family dine at an indoor restaurant for 1 hour while it is 50% full. No masks.
31. Have child attend a weeklong outdoor sports camp for 6 hours a day, with no more than 12 students, and the same 12 students each day.
32. Have child attend a weeklong indoor basketball camp for 6 hours a day, with no more than 12 students, and the same 12 students each day.
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - akiddoc - 05-02-2020
#3 is in the wrong place. I would rank it as much less safe than some of the others. Not only did your driver touch the bag and probably drive around with the bag on the seat of the car where he was breathing, but an unknown number of people handled your food and breathed on it and the packaging.
#24 is safer than you think. Risk goes up quickly with an increase in the number of people you are exposed to inside. Exposure to one person in an outdoor environment has little risk. #17 is much riskier than this.
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - Mick - 05-02-2020
(05-02-2020, 05:29 PM)akiddoc Wrote: #3 is in the wrong place. I would rank it as much less safe than some of the others. Not only did your driver touch the bag and probably drive around with the bag on the seat of the car where he was breathing, but an unknown number of people handled your food and breathed on it and the packaging.
Mrs. Mick and I were just discussing this. They might wear gloves, but those gloves are for their protection, not yours. They might have had them on all day, picking up viruses...
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - akiddoc - 05-02-2020
(05-02-2020, 05:31 PM)Mick Wrote:(05-02-2020, 05:29 PM)akiddoc Wrote: #3 is in the wrong place. I would rank it as much less safe than some of the others. Not only did your driver touch the bag and probably drive around with the bag on the seat of the car where he was breathing, but an unknown number of people handled your food and breathed on it and the packaging.
Mrs. Mick and I were just discussing this. They might wear gloves, but those gloves are for their protection, not yours. They might have had them on all day, picking up viruses...
Exactly.
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - Farm93 - 05-03-2020
It was a fun list. Could shuffle a few around, but it was a good attempt.
I personally am able to navigate for the duration of COVID restrictions going no deeper than #6.
#3, for a number of reasons may not be that safe, but wherever it lands on the list it becomes a must do activity.
For me it really no contact pick-up of groceries and delivery of online items, but the general risk is still related to the person(s) handling the packages.
I wish I could avoid #19, but that is the only one that seems to be in my immediate future as I don't think my ailment is zoom clinic eligible. :(
Presumably at some point a #33 would emerge for many - work in an indoor setting with 10 or more co-workers.
And for families with school age children in CA there would be an even greater risk - learn in a classroom setting with 25+ other students.
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - 82lsju - 05-03-2020
(05-03-2020, 08:20 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Presumably at some point a #33 would emerge for many - work in an indoor setting with 10 or more co-workers.
Well #33 may be a long time coming for many people
Amazon told employees who can to work from home to do so until at least 02 Oct 2020
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-amazon-com/amazon-extends-work-from-home-regime-till-october-2-idUSKBN22D4TK
I had an email exchange with someone at my employer about going back to the office
- it will be months not weeks
- it will be gradual
- it will be very different, things like some required work from home days, conference rooms reconfigured (ones that hold 8 people now will allow 3 people), one way aisles, box lunches for purchase in the cafeteria, metered use of the breakrooms and bathrooms (not sure how this will work). stairways one direction (our buildings have two), occupy only some of the cubes (every 3rd or 4th one depending on the size of the cubes), clean desk policy to enable more frequent deep cleaning......given these restrictions I can see most people who can effectively work from home continuing to do so
I also think that at least my employer is seeing at least a short term uptick in worker productivity. Most people seem to have turned their commute time into work time. I know I have had a lot more calls starting at 7am than I did when I was going into the office, not sure how long that will remain the norm.
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - Farm93 - 05-03-2020
Work from home is nice, but...
Everyone working from home is another whammy to the restaurant sector. In many USA cities there are business that make almost all of their revenue M-F 11:00AM - 2:00PM. Those small business owners and their employees probably hope office workers return to working from the office soon.
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - BostonCard - 05-03-2020
(05-03-2020, 09:54 AM)82lsju Wrote:(05-03-2020, 08:20 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Presumably at some point a #33 would emerge for many - work in an indoor setting with 10 or more co-workers.
Well #33 may be a long time coming for many people
Amazon told employees who can to work from home to do so until at least 02 Oct 2020
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-amazon-com/amazon-extends-work-from-home-regime-till-october-2-idUSKBN22D4TK
I had an email exchange with someone at my employer about going back to the office
- it will be months not weeks
- it will be gradual
- it will be very different, things like some required work from home days, conference rooms reconfigured (ones that hold 8 people now will allow 3 people), one way aisles, box lunches for purchase in the cafeteria, metered use of the breakrooms and bathrooms (not sure how this will work). stairways one direction (our buildings have two), occupy only some of the cubes (every 3rd or 4th one depending on the size of the cubes), clean desk policy to enable more frequent deep cleaning......given these restrictions I can see most people who can effectively work from home continuing to do so
I also think that at least my employer is seeing at least a short term uptick in worker productivity. Most people seem to have turned their commute time into work time. I know I have had a lot more calls starting at 7am than I did when I was going into the office, not sure how long that will remain the norm.
I agree with you. I have received a similar message from my company, though they haven't stated specifically how the buildings will be reconfigured to minimize infection transmission, just that adjustments will have to be made before people will be allowed back in. But the general message that it will be a gradual process that will occur over the course of months seems baked in. I also know that my function will be one of the last, since we can carry out almost all of our job functions from home. But I've known this from early on, when the company put together a program of about $1000 per employee to outfit our home offices.
Like you, I've also seen more meetings pop up during what would otherwise be commuting hours. I already had a share of meetings in the early morning (side effect of working in a Swiss company), but many people used to take the commuter bus home after 3, so we almost never had 4 pm meetings. Now I occasionally do.
BC
RE: Your Feedback: Rank Activities From Safest to Least Safe - Mick - 05-03-2020
(05-03-2020, 10:04 AM)Farm93 Wrote: Everyone working from home is another whammy to the restaurant sector. In many USA cities there are business that make almost all of their revenue M-F 11:00AM - 2:00PM. Those small business owners and their employees probably hope office workers return to working from the office soon.
That's a major reason why supermarkets are so empty. What formerly was purchased by restaurants and commercial bakeries are now being baked at home. Why it's so hard to find flour and yeast, among other things.
(05-03-2020, 09:54 AM)82lsju Wrote: I also think that at least my employer is seeing at least a short term uptick in worker productivity. Most people seem to have turned their commute time into work time. I know I have had a lot more calls starting at 7am than I did when I was going into the office, not sure how long that will remain the norm.
Definitely true for me, my team and both my sons. Our offices are in high-congestion/long commute areas (Philadelphia, DC, NYC, Houston, LA, Chicago) and our employees were demanding the ability to work from home before the coronavirus hits, as was my youngest son (90 minute commute from Eastern Cut / Rincon Hill in SF to Palo Alto via public transport). My oldest son purposely selected as residence an apartment six blocks from his office in Santa Monica.
What our firm has discovered is that people are hyperproductive, particularly when your work is largely project-based and not incidentally, in an environment in which employees are liable to be furloughed -- as I will have to furlough five more employees this week. Not looking forward to it. And the firm will not become less demanding with 26 employees than when I had 34. But, at least my budget's been cut 70%. Now I can't afford anything, so it's easy to say "no."
(05-03-2020, 09:54 AM)82lsju Wrote: I had an email exchange with someone at my employer about going back to the office
- it will be months not weeks
- it will be gradual
- it will be very different, things like some required work from home days, conference rooms reconfigured (ones that hold 8 people now will allow 3 people), one way aisles, box lunches for purchase in the cafeteria, metered use of the breakrooms and bathrooms (not sure how this will work). stairways one direction (our buildings have two), occupy only some of the cubes (every 3rd or 4th one depending on the size of the cubes), clean desk policy to enable more frequent deep cleaning......given these restrictions I can see most people who can effectively work from home continuing to do so.
We're having the same discussions. I think some of our offices will open later this month, possibly early next, with all of the changes listed here, and several others (PPE mandated, office doors shut, 1/4 capacity max in all conference rooms, hallways will become one way). We have a looooong list of changes. Everyone who can work from home will be encouraged to do so.
Our management is looking at our expiring leases like a lion looks at a gazelle, thinking about the savings of smaller office footprints and less related costs like utilities and paper.