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Rationing ventilators - BostonCard - 03-18-2020
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2005492?query=TOC
I’m old enough to remember fights about “death panels” and “killing grandma”. When (god forbid) this happens in the US it is going to be very traumatic.
BC
RE: Rationing ventilators - martyup - 03-19-2020
(03-18-2020, 06:55 PM)BostonCard Wrote: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2005492?query=TOC
I’m old enough to remember fights about “death panels” and “killing grandma”. When (god forbid) this happens in the US it is going to be very traumatic.
BC
The other chart you cited in the Germany thread said that the US had 3.4 hospital beds per 1000 and Italy had less than 2. This article flips those numbers. One fact is clear, there is much false info being passed around unknowingly. I'm not blaming BC, because the sources look legit. However, they both cannot be correct.
In this chaos, it is difficult to fact check every claim. It seems that writers are cherry picking stats to fit their narratives. We have to really be careful to not believe everything we read on the internet. We need to choose the information sources we trust and follow their advice.
RE: Rationing ventilators - BostonCard - 03-19-2020
(03-19-2020, 01:38 PM)martyup Wrote:(03-18-2020, 06:55 PM)BostonCard Wrote: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2005492?query=TOC
I’m old enough to remember fights about “death panels” and “killing grandma”. When (god forbid) this happens in the US it is going to be very traumatic.
BC
The other chart you cited in the Germany thread said that the US had 3.4 hospital beds per 1000 and Italy had less than 2. This article flips those numbers. One fact is clear, there is much false info being passed around unknowingly. I'm not blaming BC, because the sources look legit. However, they both cannot be correct.
In this chaos, it is difficult to fact check every claim. It seems that writers are cherry picking stats to fit their narratives. We have to really be careful to not believe everything we read on the internet. We need to choose the information sources we trust and follow their advice.
Actually, they are both correct. This article states the number of hospital beds per 1000 population. The other article I shared showed the number of critical care beds (ICU beds). The US has worked hard to shorten hospital stays and send people home early, which is why the number of hospital beds has gone down. However, critical care beds are another matter, and my guess is that they have been stable or rising.
BC
RE: Rationing ventilators - burger - 03-19-2020
(03-19-2020, 02:12 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Actually, they are both correct. This article states the number of hospital beds per 1000 population. The other article I shared showed the number of critical care beds (ICU beds). The US has worked hard to shorten hospital stays and send people home early, which is why the number of hospital beds has gone down. However, critical care beds are another matter, and my guess is that they have been stable or rising.Hospital closures has to be a factor in declining numbers, right? I couldn't get an exact count, but it looks like we're losing about 10 hospitals per year in the US, mostly in rural areas.
BC
RE: Rationing ventilators - BostonCard - 03-19-2020
Yes. Hospital closures (and downsizings) are a big deal. For example, about 15 years ago, UCLA opened a brand new hospital to replace its aging (and earthquake susceptible) old hospital. The new hospital cut beds by about 30% (though the number of rooms, which were all private, were higher).
BC
RE: Rationing ventilators - Mick - 03-19-2020
(03-19-2020, 01:38 PM)martyup Wrote:(03-18-2020, 06:55 PM)BostonCard Wrote: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2005492?query=TOC
I’m old enough to remember fights about “death panels” and “killing grandma”. When (god forbid) this happens in the US it is going to be very traumatic.
BC
The other chart you cited in the Germany thread said that the US had 3.4 hospital beds per 1000 and Italy had less than 2. This article flips those numbers. One fact is clear, there is much false info being passed around unknowingly. I'm not blaming BC, because the sources look legit. However, they both cannot be correct.
In this chaos, it is difficult to fact check every claim. It seems that writers are cherry picking stats to fit their narratives. We have to really be careful to not believe everything we read on the internet. We need to choose the information sources we trust and follow their advice.
As of 2017, the U. S. had 2.7 hospital beds per 1,000 people. Now I don't know if that includes the VA. California has 1.8, 47th among states.