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Texas fires a few coaches - 82lsju - 12-01-2019

after their 7-5 season, no doubt to get ahead of others looking to hire new staff

Quote:“After taking time, looking back and evaluating the season in its totality, I am very disappointed in our performance in a number of areas in 2019,” Herman said. “7-5 will never be our standard at Texas and I take full responsibility for any and all of our shortcomings and know we need to do a better job coaching across the board. With that said, I do believe the future is very bright, have decided to make some changes to our staff as we head into bowl preparation and look to finish strong in the final weeks of fall recruiting.”

Defensive coordinator Todd Orlando and passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach Drew Mehringer were both relieved of their duties and will no longer remain with the staff, while wide receivers coach Corby Meekins was relieved of his duties and reassigned to an administrative role.

Herman also removed Tim Beck from his offensive coordinator role, but he will continue to serve as the quarterbacks coach for the Longhorns for the bowl game.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2019/12/1/20990862/tom-herman-statement-staff-changes-texas-longhorns-todd-orlando-drew-mehringer-tim-beck

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - martyup - 12-01-2019

Brings new meaning to "Hook em"
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RE: Texas fires a few coaches - Farm93 - 12-01-2019

They have the budget to hire the best.
They also have the operating expenses and a reliance on football revenue to make winning ASAP rather important.

Oklahoma is definitely the best Big12 football program right now.
Texas A&M offers recruits the prestige and profile of the SEC.

Texas didn't win the Big12 conference even once this decade. Ouch. Nice to say 7-5 is not acceptable, but this season is pretty much in the middle of the range for them in this decade.

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - Mick - 12-02-2019

(12-01-2019, 10:26 PM)Farm93 Wrote: They have the budget to hire the best.
They also have the operating expenses and a reliance on football revenue to make winning ASAP rather important.

Oklahoma is definitely the best Big12 football program right now.
Texas A&M offers recruits the prestige and profile of the SEC.

Texas didn't win the Big12 conference even once this decade. Ouch. Nice to say 7-5 is not acceptable, but this season is pretty much in the middle of the range for them in this decade.

One of the (slightly) formre Stanford WVB players was a sister to one of my son's teammates. She toured UTexas when we had a tournament in Austin. She said their facilities literally took her breath away, made her gasp. Easily the best she'd seen.

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - winflop - 12-02-2019

I hope Shaw is paying attention. I don't know if he needs to be as extensive, but he needs to move in this direction - and quickly. Keep in mind Texas finished 7-5, not 4-8

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - cardcrimson - 12-02-2019

Herm let his OC and two other offensive coaches go over the weekend. Aren't they going to a bowl?

https://247sports.com/college/arizona-state/Article/ASU-football-Rob-Likens-Charlie-Fisher-Donnie-Yantis-139595534/

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - SamuelMcF - 12-02-2019

(12-02-2019, 07:39 AM)winflop Wrote: I hope Shaw is paying attention. I don't know if he needs to be as extensive, but he needs to move in this direction - and quickly. Keep in mind Texas finished 7-5, not 4-8

In a post-game interview after Big Game, the reporter directly asked him whether he'd do something similar to ND after their 4-8 season, and he immediately said no.

He's our Mark Dantonio, but probably won't even "shuffle" the offensive coaches (which did absolutely nothing for Michigan State FWIW).

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - BobK - 12-02-2019

TJ Rushing is the DB coach at Memphis which is 11-1. However when the OC left a student coach was promoted. Can't have that. :)

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - BostonCard - 12-02-2019

Worth noting that Dantonio "shuffled" his offensive staff in January.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2019/01/11/michigan-state-football-coaching-staff/2547680002/

He demoted Dave Warner from Offensive coordinator/RB coach to QB coach, and promoted Brad Salem from QB coach to co-OC/RBs and Jim Bollman from OL coach to co-OC/tight ends.

Scoring improved some (from 18.7 ppg to 22.0 ppg), but the team went from 7-5 (with a subsequent bowl loss) to 6-6 (pending their bowl game). It certainly didn't reach the heights that MSU had in 2014 (43 ppg) or even 2015 (29 ppg).

I don't know enough about the MSU coaching staff to know what changes, if any, were responsible for the decline. Salem (the former OC) looks like he's been there since 2010, though I'm not sure in what capacity.

Rather than look at other teams who are making changes to their coaching staff in response to difficulties, perhaps it would be more helpful to evaluate what happens in the future. Will Texas be better next year with the new staff, or is that just a variant of the politician's syllogism.

We must do something
Rearranging the coaching staff is something
Thus, we must rearrange the coaching staff

USC rearranged its offensive coaching staff after a sub-par season last year (26.1 ppg), and improved its offensive scoring by about a touchdown a game (33.2 ppg), which improved their record from 5-7 to 8-4; on the other hand, USC's offensive output in Helton's first two years (2016 and 2017) was 34.4 ppg, and 32.6 ppg, so maybe it wasn't the coaching staff, but rather Sam Darnold (2016/17) and Kedon Slovis (2019) versus JT Daniels (2018)?

Anyone know of other teams that rearranged their offensive coaching staffs recently? Saban/Alabama did it, supposedly to much success. Are there other examples?

BC

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - cardcrimson - 12-02-2019

(12-02-2019, 11:23 AM)BobK Wrote: TJ Rushing is the DB coach at Memphis which is 11-1. However when the OC left a student coach was promoted. Can't have that. :)

Isn't Kevin Johns still the OC? Quite a history at several schools:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Johns

LSU. . . .

(12-02-2019, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Worth noting that Dantonio "shuffled" his offensive staff in January.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2019/01/11/michigan-state-football-coaching-staff/2547680002/

He demoted Dave Warner from Offensive coordinator/RB coach to QB coach, and promoted Brad Salem from QB coach to co-OC/RBs and Jim Bollman from OL coach to co-OC/tight ends.

Scoring improved some (from 18.7 ppg to 22.0 ppg), but the team went from 7-5 (with a subsequent bowl loss) to 6-6 (pending their bowl game). It certainly didn't reach the heights that MSU had in 2014 (43 ppg) or even 2015 (29 ppg).

I don't know enough about the MSU coaching staff to know what changes, if any, were responsible for the decline. Salem (the former OC) looks like he's been there since 2010, though I'm not sure in what capacity.

Rather than look at other teams who are making changes to their coaching staff in response to difficulties, perhaps it would be more helpful to evaluate what happens in the future. Will Texas be better next year with the new staff, or is that just a variant of the politician's syllogism.

We must do something
Rearranging the coaching staff is something
Thus, we must rearrange the coaching staff

USC rearranged its offensive coaching staff after a sub-par season last year (26.1 ppg), and improved its offensive scoring by about a touchdown a game (33.2 ppg), which improved their record from 5-7 to 8-4; on the other hand, USC's offensive output in Helton's first two years (2016 and 2017) was 34.4 ppg, and 32.6 ppg, so maybe it wasn't the coaching staff, but rather Sam Darnold (2016/17) and Kedon Slovis (2019) versus JT Daniels (2018)?

Anyone know of other teams that rearranged their offensive coaching staffs recently? Saban/Alabama did it, supposedly to much success. Are there other examples?

BC

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - BostonCard - 12-02-2019

Good call on LSU. Ensminger seems to have made a difference. Though it also coincides with Joe Burrow becoming QB.

BC

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - SamuelMcF - 12-02-2019

(12-02-2019, 11:56 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Good call on LSU. Ensminger seems to have made a difference. Though it also coincides with Joe Burrow becoming QB.

BC

Joe Burrow was their QB last year and was just fine. Completely different universe this year with Ensminger.

Oh, and re: USC "rearranging" their coaching staff, that's not what happened AT ALL. They hired a brand-new air raid OC who recruited a new freshman QB that fit his system. Daniels didn't fit the new offense as much as Slovis, hand-picked by the new OC, turned out to.

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - BostonCard - 12-02-2019

(12-02-2019, 01:27 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(12-02-2019, 11:56 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Good call on LSU. Ensminger seems to have made a difference. Though it also coincides with Joe Burrow becoming QB.

BC

Joe Burrow was their QB last year and was just fine. Completely different universe this year with Ensminger.

Oh, and re: USC "rearranging" their coaching staff, that's not what happened AT ALL. They hired a brand-new air raid OC who recruited a new freshman QB that fit his system. Daniels didn't fit the new offense as much as Slovis, hand-picked by the new OC, turned out to.

Ensminger was also OC last year (he was made offensive coordinator in Jan 2018), and Burrow was just fine then too, so you would have to explain why the "different universe" didn't happen last year, unless it takes a year for the system to percolate. I suppose we will see if the magic was Burrows or Ensminger next year.

On USC, my point was that the previous system worked fine with Sam Darnold as a QB, and seemed to deteriorate with Daniels as QB. The current system with Slovis as a freshman (33.2 ppg) works about as well as the previous offensive system worked with Darnold as a [redshirt] freshman (34.4 ppg). There are lots of other variables, to be sure, but the point I'm trying to make is that the weak link maybe wasn't the offensive system but having an effective QB who can run said system. Darnold could run their pro offense effectively; Daniels didn't seem to run either offense effectively. Slovis seems to be able to run the air raid effectively.

BC

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - SamuelMcF - 12-02-2019

(12-02-2019, 01:36 PM)BostonCard Wrote:
(12-02-2019, 01:27 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(12-02-2019, 11:56 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Good call on LSU. Ensminger seems to have made a difference. Though it also coincides with Joe Burrow becoming QB.

BC

Joe Burrow was their QB last year and was just fine. Completely different universe this year with Ensminger.

Oh, and re: USC "rearranging" their coaching staff, that's not what happened AT ALL. They hired a brand-new air raid OC who recruited a new freshman QB that fit his system. Daniels didn't fit the new offense as much as Slovis, hand-picked by the new OC, turned out to.

Ensminger was also OC last year (he was made offensive coordinator in Jan 2018), and Burrow was just fine then too, so you would have to explain why the "different universe" didn't happen last year, unless it takes a year for the system to percolate. I suppose we will see if the magic was Burrows or Ensminger next year.

On USC, my point was that the previous system worked fine with Sam Darnold as a QB, and seemed to deteriorate with Daniels as QB. The current system with Slovis as a freshman (33.2 ppg) works about as well as the previous offensive system worked with Darnold as a [redshirt] freshman (34.4 ppg). There are lots of other variables, to be sure, but the point I'm trying to make is that the weak link maybe wasn't the offensive system but having an effective QB who can run said system. Darnold could run their pro offense effectively; Daniels didn't seem to run either offense effectively. Slovis seems to be able to run the air raid effectively.

BC

Mea culpa. LSU hired a new passing game coordinator named Joe Brady who completely revitalized their offense. My point still stands that it wasn't Burrow in particular, though perhaps he fit this new offense better than their previous one. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28015035/how-lsu-tigers-offense-completely-changed-thanks-joe-brady

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - BostonCard - 12-02-2019

(12-02-2019, 01:41 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: Mea culpa. LSU hired a new passing game coordinator named Joe Brady who completely revitalized their offense. My point still stands that it wasn't Burrow in particular, though perhaps he fit this new offense better than their previous one. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28015035/how-lsu-tigers-offense-completely-changed-thanks-joe-brady

Thanks for that link. Great story.

BC

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - Spiny_Norman - 12-02-2019

(12-02-2019, 11:34 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Worth noting that Dantonio "shuffled" his offensive staff in January.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2019/01/11/michigan-state-football-coaching-staff/2547680002/

He demoted Dave Warner from Offensive coordinator/RB coach to QB coach, and promoted Brad Salem from QB coach to co-OC/RBs and Jim Bollman from OL coach to co-OC/tight ends.

Scoring improved some (from 18.7 ppg to 22.0 ppg), but the team went from 7-5 (with a subsequent bowl loss) to 6-6 (pending their bowl game). It certainly didn't reach the heights that MSU had in 2014 (43 ppg) or even 2015 (29 ppg).

I don't know enough about the MSU coaching staff to know what changes, if any, were responsible for the decline. Salem (the former OC) looks like he's been there since 2010, though I'm not sure in what capacity.

Rather than look at other teams who are making changes to their coaching staff in response to difficulties, perhaps it would be more helpful to evaluate what happens in the future. Will Texas be better next year with the new staff, or is that just a variant of the politician's syllogism.

We must do something
Rearranging the coaching staff is something
Thus, we must rearrange the coaching staff

USC rearranged its offensive coaching staff after a sub-par season last year (26.1 ppg), and improved its offensive scoring by about a touchdown a game (33.2 ppg), which improved their record from 5-7 to 8-4; on the other hand, USC's offensive output in Helton's first two years (2016 and 2017) was 34.4 ppg, and 32.6 ppg, so maybe it wasn't the coaching staff, but rather Sam Darnold (2016/17) and Kedon Slovis (2019) versus JT Daniels (2018)?

Anyone know of other teams that rearranged their offensive coaching staffs recently? Saban/Alabama did it, supposedly to much success. Are there other examples?

BC

There are certainly counter examples as well of OC coaching changes that did not work out. Ask a UCLA fan about the Norm Chow era.

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - BostonCard - 12-02-2019

Changes at ASU as well....

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/12/02/improvement-required-chris-petersen-and-david-shaw-and-other-pac-12-coaches-must-consider-staff-changes/

And Wilner agrees with those of us who think, "Winning consistently at a high level requires reinvention every now and then." That being said, I'm not sure that ascribing causation to this correlation is correct:

Quote:What changed after 2017? Longtime offensive line coach/offensive coordinator Mike Bloomgren left for the top job at Rice.

This, though, is brutal but accurate:

Quote:Not talented enough, not healthy enough, not efficient enough, not creative enough … not good enough anywhere.

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - CompSci87 - 12-02-2019

When I hear about assistants or coordinators being fired, I always wonder in which cases someone is really underperforming and in which the firee is just a scapegoat.

RE: Texas fires a few coaches - Goose - 12-02-2019

I am pretty sure in this case that the directive from the important boosters was to "do something substantial", and firing all the assistants was that. It is probable that in that group some of them were under-performing. What is not clear is that the next group will be any better. If the HC fires one guy and immediately replaces him, that can make sense. For whatever reason, the HC wanted someone else. Most of the staff getting fired but not the HC almost never makes sense. The HC must have been a total fool to keep all those incompetent folks on the payroll for a whole year (or more in most cases). This is more likely the "punishment of the innocent", to be followed by the "promotion of the non-involved".