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96% GSR - 82lsju - 10-16-2019
Quote:Stanford Athletics registered an overall graduation rate of 96 percent in the latest Graduation Success Rate, with 20 programs earning a 100 percent graduation rate.
The 11 women's programs achieving perfect Graduation Success Rate scores: basketball, cross country/track and field, fencing, field hockey, golf, gymnastics, rowing, soccer, tennis, volleyball, and water polo.
On the men's side, nine programs were assigned perfect Graduation Success Rate scores: baseball, basketball, fencing, golf, gymnastics, swimming and diving, tennis, volleyball, and water polo.
https://gostanford.com/news/2019/10/16/athletics-gsr-reflects-academic-success.aspx
RE: 96% GSR - ColoradoTree - 10-16-2019
So, twenty programs were perfect, and five more programs exceeded 90%. Varsity programs that were not listed as being either perfect or north of 90% include:
* men's cross country/track and field
* men's rowing
* sailing
* men's soccer
* beach volleyball
* lightweight rowing
* squash
* synchronized swimming
That said, I believe the NCAA doesn't sponsor sailing, men's rowing, lightweight rowing, squash, or synchro, so that's presumably why those programs aren't listed. And since beach volleyball was only sponsored by the NCAA starting in 2016, it makes sense that they wouldn't be listed yet. That leaves men's soccer and men's cross country/T&F as the worst GSR offenders, unless I'm misreading something. Anyone have any ideas what's going on with those particular programs?
I certainly wouldn't want to single out individual students who don't end up getting a degree, but a footnote to explain how players going pro early (but being in good academic standing when they left) affects the rate would be useful, primarily in football. Something like "Stanford's football GSR would have been X% if not for the early departures of [list players], all of whom left for the NFL prior to graduating but who were in good academic standing when they left and have expressed their intent to complete their degrees."
(While GSR includes student-athletes who transfer in good academic standing, it's not clear to me whether it includes student-athletes who leave school early to pursue professional opportunities, like Christian McCaffrey, Kaden Smith, Justin Reid, etc., but who leave in good standing. Can anyone confirm that it does or doesn't? This line from the Stanford post--"The Graduation Success Rate excludes from the calculation student-athletes who leave an institution who are academically eligible to compete such as transfer students"--could exclude such student-athletes as written, but I'd thought that the calculation treated transfer students differently than folks who leave early to go pro.)
RE: 96% GSR - Farm93 - 10-16-2019
(10-16-2019, 01:43 PM)ColoradoTree Wrote: So, twenty programs were perfect, and five more programs exceeded 90%. Varsity programs that were not listed as being either perfect or north of 90% include:
* men's cross country/track and field
* men's rowing
* sailing
* men's soccer
* beach volleyball
* lightweight rowing
* squash
* synchronized swimming
That said, I believe the NCAA doesn't sponsor sailing, men's rowing, lightweight rowing, squash, or synchro, so that's presumably why those programs aren't listed. And since beach volleyball was only sponsored by the NCAA starting in 2016, it makes sense that they wouldn't be listed yet. That leaves men's soccer and men's cross country/T&F as the worst GSR offenders, unless I'm misreading something. Anyone have any ideas what's going on with those particular programs?
I certainly wouldn't want to single out individual students who don't end up getting a degree, but a footnote to explain how players going pro early (but being in good academic standing when they left) affects the rate would be useful, primarily in football. Something like "Stanford's football GSR would have been X% if not for the early departures of [list players], all of whom left for the NFL prior to graduating but who were in good academic standing when they left and have expressed their intent to complete their degrees."
(While GSR includes student-athletes who transfer in good academic standing, it's not clear to me whether it includes student-athletes who leave school early to pursue professional opportunities, like Christian McCaffrey, Kaden Smith, Justin Reid, etc., but who leave in good standing. Can anyone confirm that it does or doesn't? This line from the Stanford post--"The Graduation Success Rate excludes from the calculation student-athletes who leave an institution who are academically eligible to compete such as transfer students"--could exclude such student-athletes as written, but I'd thought that the calculation treated transfer students differently than folks who leave early to go pro.)
No need for excuses, that feels like the domain for athletic departments trying to justify really bad results. Cross Country is a very small program, so even one athlete will push the average below 90%.
FWIW - Before the AD tries to research and justify GSR misses, they might want to take a math class. :)
Quote:Stanford claimed five national team championships during the past academic year, increasing its overall total to 149, including 123 NCAA titles. Recent NCAA crowns came in men's golf, men's gymnastics, women's swimming and diving, women's tennis, women's volleyball, and women's water polo. Stanford also won the IRA national title in women's lightweight rowing for the fifth consecutive year.
6 for NCAA
1 - Men's golf
2 - Men's gymnastics
3 - Women's swimming and diving
4 - Women's tennis
5 - Women's volleyball
6 - Women's water polo
plus an IRA title
7 - Women's lightweight rowing
That would appear to be 7 national team championships, not 5.
RE: 96% GSR - BobK - 10-16-2019
I don’t believe beach volleyball has had a graduate yet
RE: 96% GSR - 82lsju - 10-16-2019
(10-16-2019, 03:33 PM)BobK Wrote: I don’t believe beach volleyball has had a graduate yet
I think this is correct since it appears that beach volleyball became an NCAA sport in 2016 (at least the first championship was in 2016)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Beach_Volleyball_Championship
and the GSR numbers this year are for
Quote:Rates are based upon classes from 2009-12 and reflect the percentage of student-athletes earning a degree within six years
RE: 96% GSR - CTcard - 10-16-2019
(10-16-2019, 01:43 PM)ColoradoTree Wrote: I certainly wouldn't want to single out individual students who don't end up getting a degree, but a footnote to explain how players going pro early (but being in good academic standing when they left) affects the rate would be useful, primarily in football. Something like "Stanford's football GSR would have been X% if not for the early departures of [list players], all of whom left for the NFL prior to graduating but who were in good academic standing when they left and have expressed their intent to complete their degrees."
(While GSR includes student-athletes who transfer in good academic standing, it's not clear to me whether it includes student-athletes who leave school early to pursue professional opportunities, like Christian McCaffrey, Kaden Smith, Justin Reid, etc., but who leave in good standing. Can anyone confirm that it does or doesn't? This line from the Stanford post--"The Graduation Success Rate excludes from the calculation student-athletes who leave an institution who are academically eligible to compete such as transfer students"--could exclude such student-athletes as written, but I'd thought that the calculation treated transfer students differently than folks who leave early to go pro.)
GSR drops from the calculation any student who leaves school while eligible to compete, regardless of where they go.
The official justification for doing so is that transfers, presumably, often graduate from the school they transfer to - and at any rate the claim is they should be the responsibility of the new school. That's why the NCAA publications emphasize the word transfer, but in fact they don't track why anybody leaves - only that they leave.
If you care, here is a Politifact article (published in the Tampa Bay Times) that discusses the issues with both the NCAA's GSR and the federally mandated graduation rate, primarily with an eye towards men's basketball.
GSR Article