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Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - Roberton3 - 11-13-2016
Stanford isn't ranked in either the AP or Coaches Poll this week. But Stanford does substantially better with computer polls: between #14 and #17 with the different versions of Sagarin's system, #12 with Massey, and a median ranking of #20 with the 60 computer ranking systems listed on Massey's page at http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm . Or, in a different way of looking at it, only 12 of those 60 computer rankings put Stanford outside the top 25.
(Edited to correct a typo)
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - Row80Critic - 11-13-2016
Stanford is #25 in this week's ESPN Power Rankings, which may help other poll-voters take notice after the 103 - 0 win over da bears.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - paloalto - 11-13-2016
I don't know about football. For women's volleyball all I read on a volleyball message board is how poll voters over rate Stanford due to reputation from previous years. It's probably true. If Stanford and Slippery Rock State Teachers College had similar non-conference records at the beginning of the season, Stanford would be ranked much higher.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - Mick - 11-13-2016
(11-13-2016, 03:40 PM)paloalto link Wrote:I don't know about football. For women's volleyball all I read on a volleyball message board is how poll voters over rate Stanford due to reputation from previous years. It's probably true. If Stanford and Slippery Rock State Teachers College had similar non-conference records at the beginning of the season, Stanford would be ranked much higher.
At the Big House last weekend, the Michigan announcer also announces the Slippery Rock scores to thunderous applause. Feels a bit odd.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - DC 86 - 11-13-2016
Stanford (and Pac-12 teams in general) will generally fare better in computer models than in human voting because the statistical analyses put much more weight on strength of schedule. 6 of the top 22 teams in the computer consensus are Pac-12 teams.
One factor that also helps Stanford in the computer rankings is its dominant win over USC (which is #9). The computers don't distinguish between the early season version which Stanford played and the current version which is on a roll and just beat UW. In the computers' eyes that is Stanford's signature win of the season, but human voters may be correct in giving that game less weight since USC was still in disarray at that point and Darnold had yet to be appointed as the starter.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - yvonne - 11-13-2016
(11-13-2016, 03:01 PM)Row80Critic link Wrote:Stanford is #25 in this week's ESPN Power Rankings, which may help other poll-voters take notice after the 103 - 0 win over da 59ers.
Please don't tempt the woofing gods. It will be a tough game. I think they have bowl eligibility on the line.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - HisKneeWasDown - 11-13-2016
(11-13-2016, 04:41 PM)Mick link Wrote:At the Big House last weekend, the Michigan announcer also announces the Slippery Rock scores to thunderous applause. Feels a bit odd.
Michigan fans seem to think that following the Slippery Rock score is *their* tradition. I remember also getting SR scores at Stanford games 30 years ago. It's just a funny school name, and surprising that they have a football team.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - OutsiderFan - 11-13-2016
(11-13-2016, 07:45 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:[quote author=Row80Critic link=topic=16095.msg179165#msg179165 date=1479074478]
Stanford is #25 in this week's ESPN Power Rankings, which may help other poll-voters take notice after the 103 - 0 win over da 59ers.
Please don't tempt the woofing gods. It will be a tough game. I think they have bowl eligibility on the line.
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Stanford is going to curb stomp ×ÉÉ next week. The Bares defense is actually worse than Oregon's. Stanford could use the Oregon State game plan and win by a larger margin. They are atrocious.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - French Rage - 11-13-2016
(11-13-2016, 07:46 PM)HisKneeWasDown link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=16095.msg179167#msg179167 date=1479080471]
At the Big House last weekend, the Michigan announcer also announces the Slippery Rock scores to thunderous applause. Feels a bit odd.
Michigan fans seem to think that following the Slippery Rock score is *their* tradition. I remember also getting SR scores at Stanford games 30 years ago. It's just a funny school name, and surprising that they have a football team.
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I recall in showing up often in the score updates on the Jumbotron/ribbon even in the last few years.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - HisKneeWasDown - 11-13-2016
They are certainly biased against the conference. Michigan and Clemson lose to unranked teams and they're still ahead of Washington, who lost to a ranked team.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - DC 86 - 11-13-2016
(11-13-2016, 08:10 PM)HisKneeWasDown link Wrote:They are certainly biased against the conference. Michigan and Clemson lose to unranked teams and they're still ahead of Washington, who lost to a ranked team.True, but you need to look at each team's overall body of work:
UW's only win against a currently ranked team was against Utah (#11).
Clemson has wins against Auburn (#18), Louisville (#3) and FSU (#17).
Michigan has wins against Colorado (#12), Penn State (#9) and Wisconsin (#6).
So UW's loss is indeed not as bad, but the other two teams each have three wins against top-20 teams, including a win each against a ranked out of conference opponent.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - Mick - 11-13-2016
(11-13-2016, 07:46 PM)HisKneeWasDown link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=16095.msg179167#msg179167 date=1479080471]
At the Big House last weekend, the Michigan announcer also announces the Slippery Rock scores to thunderous applause. Feels a bit odd.
Michigan fans seem to think that following the Slippery Rock score is *their* tradition. I remember also getting SR scores at Stanford games 30 years ago. It's just a funny school name, and surprising that they have a football team.
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Shoot, I remember it 40 years ago, when I was a teenager...
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - Phogge - 11-13-2016
McCauley had a sense of humor. Didn't feign excitement but you knew when he was excited.
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - DC 86 - 11-14-2016
(11-13-2016, 11:05 PM)Phogge link Wrote:McCauley had a sense of humor. Didn't feign excitement but you knew when he was excited.Macauley had a great sense of humor and could convey his thoughts without being blatant.
I remember one afternoon in the mid-80s when Stanford was being torched by UCLA, unable to stop any deep pass. Finally a ball was overthrown to a receiver who was a good five yards clear. Macauley's call was "Pass incomplete ... (pause) ... Just".
He also had fun with the scores at times. When Nebraska was an absolute juggernaut he reported "Second quarter score from Lincoln, Colorado 7, #1 Nebraska 3". A while later came another update, "Third quarter score from Lincoln, Colorado 7 ... (oohs from the crowd) ... #1 Nebraska ... 38".
Re: Are poll voters biased against Stanford? - fullmetal - 11-14-2016
(11-13-2016, 07:45 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:[quote author=Row80Critic link=topic=16095.msg179165#msg179165 date=1479074478]
Stanford is #25 in this week's ESPN Power Rankings, which may help other poll-voters take notice after the 103 - 0 win over da 59ers.
Please don't tempt the woofing gods. It will be a tough game. I think they have bowl eligibility on the line.
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(11-13-2016, 07:45 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:[quote author=Row80Critic link=topic=16095.msg179165#msg179165 date=1479074478]
Stanford is #25 in this week's ESPN Power Rankings, which may help other poll-voters take notice after the 103 - 0 win over da 59ers.
Please don't tempt the woofing gods. It will be a tough game. I think they have bowl eligibility on the line.
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Ditto. Weird things happen during Big Game :( I hope one of them isn't kal fielding a defense.