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What will CMac's production be in game 1? - DC Cat - 08-30-2016

https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/770686016617275392


https://twitter.com/ZaldyKSNT/status/770686927590727680


https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/770693803921387520


K-State's defense says they are ready. Are they fooling themselves?

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - North Woods - 08-30-2016

Hopefully they are ready for him in the same way that Iowa was ready for him.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - SeattleTree - 08-30-2016

Fooling themselves?  We'll all only know that on Friday.  Iowa players hadn't heard too much about Christian McCaffrey prior to the Rose Bowl.  I think they know about him now.  K-State players may think they're ready for him, but something tells me the on-field CMac is a little different than the on-film C-Mac.

Just tell your defense not to behead him, like Travis Ochs did to Eric Crouch.  Still don't know how that penalty wasn't called!

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - FarmBoy - 08-30-2016

Quote:Iowa players hadn't heard too much about Christian McCaffrey prior to the Rose Bowl.


I thought the quote was that they hadn't seen much of him, meaning the late game times meant they didn't get to watch much of his games. Surely they had heard all about him from the H ceremony and other awards.


It all depends on what "being ready" means. If by ready, they've come to terms with the fact that he may end up running through, around and over them, then I cen beleive they're ready. But if they think they have the secret to stopping him locked down, then I doubt they're that "ready."

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - stupac2 - 08-30-2016

A three teams did manage to limit his production pretty well (defined as <100 yards because why not?), but there's some explanation for each:

1) Against Northwestern and UCF the coaches didn't really know what they had, the main problem @NWU was that McCaffrey should've ran as many times as Hogan passed, not really sure why UCF was his worst game of the year (seriously! lowest yardage and YPC against the 0-12 team) but I don't think anyone would claim UCF had serious success against us.
2) ND has good players and sold out to stop him, resulting in Hogan's monster game.

If you buy this at all, explanation #1 is irrelevant. So the question is does KSU have the players and coaching to execute on ND's strategy? Coaching, probably, players? Seems unlikely to me (especially given that Iowa and especially USC couldn't stop him) but we're only 74 hours from finding out.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - Hulk01 - 08-30-2016

ND had an outstanding front seven.  I'm not sure they sold out to stop Mac.  Instead,  just beat our guys a bunch of times

I think the Irish be our biggest test.



Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - DC Cat - 08-30-2016

(08-30-2016, 03:07 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:we're only 74 hours from finding out.
;D


I'm thinking he might be Elijah Lee's assignment. Will be interesting how that works out.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - stupac2 - 08-30-2016

(08-30-2016, 03:12 PM)Hulk01 link Wrote:ND had an outstanding front seven.  I'm not sure they sold out to stop Mac.  Instead,  just beat our guys a bunch of times

I think the Irish be our biggest test.

Did they have a subpar back 4 or did Hogan just go super sayian for that game? His stat line is ridiculous: 17/21 (81%!) for 269 yards, 4 TDs, and an absolutely absurd 251 efficiency rating (30 points better than his next-best game). I had assumed that ND was loading the box and using both numbers and talent to stop the run, so Hogan picked it up. After all, if the DL was just winning there's basically 0 chance Hogan gets those kind of numbers because he'd be getting pressured on every snap.

I'm unaware of publicly available charting numbers that would help show whether ND was committing more players than normal to stopping the run, so short of re-watching it would be hard to know for sure.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - SeattleTree - 08-30-2016

(08-30-2016, 03:00 PM)FarmBoy link Wrote:I thought the quote was that they hadn't seen much of him, meaning the late game times meant they didn't get to watch much of his games. Surely they had heard all about him from the H ceremony and other awards.

Perhaps a little of both: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/12/28/iowa-defenders-hadnt-heard-too-much-about-christian-mccaffrey/

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - CowboyIndian - 08-30-2016

Did that first guy's parents hate him from the get-go?

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - Mauser - 08-30-2016

(08-30-2016, 02:35 PM)SeattleTree link Wrote:Just tell your defense not to behead him, like Travis Ochs did to Eric Crouch.  Still don't know how that penalty wasn't called!


It was a good no call.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - CornFed - 08-30-2016

(08-30-2016, 03:32 PM)SeattleTree link Wrote:[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=15532.msg169040#msg169040 date=1472594425]
I thought the quote was that they hadn't seen much of him, meaning the late game times meant they didn't get to watch much of his games. Surely they had heard all about him from the H ceremony and other awards.

Perhaps a little of both: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/12/28/iowa-defenders-hadnt-heard-too-much-about-christian-mccaffrey/
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It takes a long time for the Pony Express to deliver news in those parts.  :o

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - SeattleTree - 08-30-2016

(08-30-2016, 03:40 PM)Mauser link Wrote:[quote author=SeattleTree link=topic=15532.msg169034#msg169034 date=1472592936]

Just tell your defense not to behead him, like Travis Ochs did to Eric Crouch.  Still don't know how that penalty wasn't called!


It was a good no call.
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I think you forgot to add an emoji.  That was only a good no call if you literally wanted Crouch's neck broken. 



Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - Spiny_Norman - 08-30-2016

CMac can beat teams in multiple ways. From the Stanford Football weekly email (my emphasis) - "RB Christian McCaffrey is Stanford’s returning leader in passing touchdowns, throwing two in the 2015 season."

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - CTcard - 08-30-2016

(08-30-2016, 03:31 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=Hulk01 link=topic=15532.msg169044#msg169044 date=1472595164]
ND had an outstanding front seven.  I'm not sure they sold out to stop Mac.  Instead,  just beat our guys a bunch of times

I think the Irish be our biggest test.

Did they have a subpar back 4 or did Hogan just go super sayian for that game? 

I'm unaware of publicly available charting numbers that would help show whether ND was committing more players than normal to stopping the run, so short of re-watching it would be hard to know for sure.
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Here is at least most of the plays in that game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ80B0fKtEw

Here are McCaffrey's plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMW4N659K2M

Notre Dame had a very stout front seven, a hideous backfield, and they were concentrating on stopping McCaffrey. That all contributed to Hogan having a PER of 251.4 for the game, the best single game of his career.

For that matter both Northwestern and UCF had strong DL. UCF was a bad team, but the best thing they had was the DL (though I think it got injured later). They weren't so good that it really explains that being McCaffrey's worst game by yds/carry, but a part of the reason.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - winflop - 08-30-2016

They can be as prepared as they want.  They've never seen anything like our OL + Marx + CMac - as well as WRs & TEs who can block.


CMac will have about 150 AP yards at halftime and probably be pulled mid-fourth quarter when he's up in the 300-350 range.


I think he's got a major chip on his shoulder this year that he's keeping to himself and is going to unleash 15 times this year.  Yeah that's right, Stanford will play 15 games this year you heard it here.  :o

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - stanfan - 08-30-2016

It's unlikely  our OL will be as good as last year. If our OL doesn't control the LOS, even the amazing CMAC could have a tough day.  That said, I like our chances.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - winflop - 08-31-2016

(08-30-2016, 09:30 PM)stanfan link Wrote:It's unlikely  our OL will be as good as last year. If our OL doesn't control the LOS, even the amazing CMAC could have a tough day.  That said, I like our chances.


May not be as good as last year, but Kansas St is not good enough to make a difference.  They just don't see a steamroller like the Stanford offense.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - CornFed - 09-01-2016

I've been reading about how wise KSU's coach Snyder is, and that he coaches a very disciplined style of football.  Many of their fans have expectations that their coach will devise some sophisticated way to deprive CMac of the situational opportunities that he has been so phenomenal in exploiting.

Wasn't there similar musing from Hawkeye fans prior to the Rose Bowl?  They had very good reason to believe that they had a strong defensive unit.  Nonetheless, our offense dismantled, embarrassed, humiliated, decimated, and soundly beat that strong defensive unit.  CMac himself set a Rose Bowl record (actually probably several) for APY.  It was a drubbing.

Now there was some note that the Iowa players indicated they had not seen much of CMac, but that is implausible in this day and age of video study to prepare.  KSU has had a boatload of time to study film and they think they may have an approach to stopping our hero. 

But I think seeing CMac on tape is a totally, 100% different experience than seeing him come at you on a football field.  I am reminded of my reaction to his high school junior year highlight film that I looked at closely when we were recruiting him.  Probably because one of you posted it.  I really do remember playing it back multiple times, over and over; trying to figure out if he was that good, or were the opponents inept?  I think I even posted here to ask the question.

The point is that CMac is highly unique.  I do not expect KSU to slow him down significantly.  If his metrics are slightly off, I'm pretty sure its because Cameron Scarlett's and Trent Irwin's are through the roof.  The only reason his production was pedestrian against Northwestern and the first half of UCF was we had not figured out how to use him.  For one thing, in those games we needed to use him a lot.  We were unable to get him rolling until that UCF second half.  After that it felt like every week was a candy store for him.  OK, maybe not the Washington schools quite as much.  But I think people just don't comprehend how unique he is. 

Naturally, this could all be a load of hooey.  Just one guy's delusional doting.  I sincerely hope not.  I really expect not.

Re: What will CMac's production be in game 1? - threepointer - 09-01-2016




The KSU fans are among the many in history that have underestimated their opponent. Stanford vs Kansas State (2016) McCaffrey explodes for 300+ all purpose yards in a 49-14 rout. 


The Wildcats watched the film, studied the history, but like many losers in history didn't really understand what they were up against.