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Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - Rally - 01-27-2016

High praise/hopes? 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14652670/stanford-cardinal-keller-chryst-ohio-state-buckeyes-mike-weber-college-football-next-big-things

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - CTcard - 01-27-2016

A couple of odd things in that article.

"the 6-foot-5, 233-pound Chryst is already a better passer than Kevin Hogan was at this point in his career"
Really?
How do they know?
His throwing motion is better.

"Chryst was impressive during his limited time of subbing for Hogan last season"
That would seem to be mostly true with respect to laying a block. Otherwise there isn't a lot to go on.
His stats (all in garbage time as far as I remember):
Passing = 5-9 for 59 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, PER=147
Running = 6 carries, 10 net yards.



Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - Rally - 01-27-2016

(01-27-2016, 01:48 PM)garvin link Wrote:Then there's the little matter of his actually winning the starting job, which is probably a prerequisite for being the next big thing.

As referenced in the article.

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - CompSci87 - 01-27-2016

Just a journalist desperate for something to write about.

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - JJJ - 01-27-2016

Interesting that there were two more Stanford connections in prior articles on that page--Mike Sanford and Carly Fiorina (in separate articles, just in case there was any doubt).  :P

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - Red State - 01-27-2016

(01-27-2016, 01:30 PM)CTcard link Wrote:A couple of odd things in that article.

"the 6-foot-5, 233-pound Chryst is already a better passer than Kevin Hogan was at this point in his career"
Really?
How do they know?
His throwing motion is better.

"Chryst was impressive during his limited time of subbing for Hogan last season"
That would seem to be mostly true with respect to laying a block. Otherwise there isn't a lot to go on.
His stats (all in garbage time as far as I remember):
Passing = 5-9 for 59 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, PER=147
Running = 6 carries, 10 net yards.
I was impressed with Chryst's running ability, featured by a 35 yard TD run vs CFU which was nullified by a penalty.

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - OutsiderFan - 01-27-2016

Shaw didn't say Chryst did anything to lose the #1 spot after being #2 in 2015.  What he said was it's a clean slate in 2016 and the competition is re-set.  I like the fact he isn't handing the job to Chryst after being the backup.  Make him aware he has to work as hard to be #1 as he did to earn the #2 slot.  But let's be honest.  Burns is nowhere near Chryst as a QB prospect.  It would be beyond shocking for Burns to beat Chryst out. 

Anyone wanting to bring up Nottingham as an analog to Chryst has to realize Chryst's pedigree and physical attributes are far beyond what Nottingham brought to the position.

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - BostonCard - 01-27-2016

(01-27-2016, 04:37 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:Anyone wanting to bring up Nottingham as an analog to Chryst has to realize Chryst's pedigree and physical attributes are far beyond what Nottingham brought to the position.

OK, I went back and looked.  Nottingham was the #14 QB in 2011, a 4* recruit ranked 253 overall.  That's good, but you are right, Chryst ranks higher: #5 QB, 4*, #95 overall.  What's interesting is that even though we all seemed enamored by Nottingham at the time, there was no reason to be, based on his recruiting profile.  Both Nunes: 4*, 19th ranked QB, #155 overall and Hogan, 4*, 13th ranked QB, #202 overall would have been considered better recruits, even though I don't remember thinking that at the time.

By the way, as a basis of comparison, Luck was 5*, 4th ranked QB, #47 overall, which makes Chryst our highest ranked QB recruit since Luck.

Costello is 4*, #91 overall, 6th ranked QB, so pretty comparable to Chryst in terms of rankings.

BC

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - murky - 01-27-2016

With Nottingham, I was enamored with the idea that he could pass in the general vicinity of the receiver's torso.

Re: Chryst "next big thing" per ESPN? - CTcard - 01-28-2016

(01-27-2016, 05:08 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=14488.msg154548#msg154548 date=1453937828]

Anyone wanting to bring up Nottingham as an analog to Chryst has to realize Chryst's pedigree and physical attributes are far beyond what Nottingham brought to the position.

OK, I went back and looked.  Nottingham was the #14 QB in 2011, a 4* recruit ranked 253 overall.  That's good, but you are right, Chryst ranks higher: #5 QB, 4*, #95 overall.  What's interesting is that even though we all seemed enamored by Nottingham at the time, there was no reason to be, based on his recruiting profile.  Both Nunes: 4*, 19th ranked QB, #155 overall and Hogan, 4*, 13th ranked QB, #202 overall would have been considered better recruits, even though I don't remember thinking that at the time.

By the way, as a basis of comparison, Luck was 5*, 4th ranked QB, #47 overall, which makes Chryst our highest ranked QB recruit since Luck.

Costello is 4*, #91 overall, 6th ranked QB, so pretty comparable to Chryst in terms of rankings.

BC
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It would be a little helpful if you could note what rankings you are using in such lists. It looks like you are using Scout, which is often quite out of step with the others.

Somebody suggested we use 247 composite, as it averages several services. From there:
Costello #3 pro-style QB; score 0.9746
Chryst #3; 0.9745
Burns  #12; 0.9311
Hogan  #8; 0.8765
Nottingham #7; 0.9177
Nunes    #9; 0.9278

Burns was characterized by significant differences of opinion:
ESPN #4 (pocket), Rivals #6 (pro), 247 #10 (pro), 247-composite #12 (pro), Scout #36 (all QB).
Hogan was the other guy with pretty high variation:
ESPN #51 (pocket), Rivals #15 (pro), 247 #28 (pro), 247-composite #8 (pro), Scout #13 (all QB).
[I don't understand how Hogan's composite score can be his highest by so much, but that's what it says.]

Overall, Chryst wasn't really ranked that much higher than Burns, though it was pretty clear that Burns was much more of a project with big physical tools - which is why opinions varied so much.

As for what they have done so far at Stanford, it seems clear that Chryst did win the backup spot (though Shaw made a point of never quite saying that), but neither played enough to really evaluate how far apart they might be. We saw the most of them at the spring game - a long time ago in a very artificial environment (remember it was a spring game that made everyone favour Nottingham over Nunes).