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Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - BostonCard - 01-05-2016

https://twitter.com/jacobunruh/status/684566509595701249

I think many have speculated this would happen.  Sad to see him go, but it makes complete sense; he's a senior, he has a Stanford degree (I don't think Stanford needs to grant him a release, contra the tweet), and he is stuck behind the Voldemort runner up.  He's not without talent; I think he can start at the right place.

Good luck, Barry J.

BC

Re: Barry Sanders leaving - standfan - 01-05-2016

No surprise. I hope he has a great fifth year.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - dabigv13 - 01-05-2016

Wow, this really bums me out :(

Christian is an otherworldly talent and clearly the better choice for us next year at RB, but Barry J was really fun to watch, and did some interesting things with the ball. He didn't have the top end or acceleration of CMac, but he still had a sneakiness to his style that could break ankles. Almost Grunfeld-esque? Sorry to see him go, hope he gets his degree before he does.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - TrumpCard - 01-05-2016

Thanks for the hard work, Mr. Sanders.  I hope you had a good 4 years at Stanford, that you find a better football situation for 5th, and that you have a good next 40. 

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - Spiny_Norman - 01-05-2016

Let's remember Barry Sanders' highlight run vs. Oregon State this year that iced the game in the 4th quarter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cN3joxdnoY

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - CTcard - 01-05-2016

Oklahoma State didn't have much of a run game this year, averaging 126 yds/gm - 3.6 yds/carry. That's 9th-9th  in the Big 12 and 114th-114th nationally.
[Rather weird their the same rank both in conference and nationally on both these stats.]

They return all of their RBs so there will be competition for carries.

They return all of their OLine so the blocking might get better.

But this move seems to be about going home, not any kind of careful depth chart analysis.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 01-05-2016

I think we all probably saw this coming.  I wish him well, and maybe we can see Caff vs Sanders for the 2016 Voldemort ;)

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - needle - 01-05-2016

From the article linked in the tweet above:

Quote:  “Just to explore the options,” Sanders said about why he got his release. “It was great (at Stanford). For the time being it was exactly what I wanted to do. 

Obviously, there's a great likelihood he leaves. But I'm holding out hope that he decides to stay, as it sounds like he's truly enjoyed his experience at Stanford.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - fullmetal - 01-05-2016

Can't blame him for wanting to showcase his talents as a starter, but I wish he weren't thinking of leaving.  Best of luck to him as he considers a life-changing decision.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - JJJ - 01-05-2016

Thanks for everything, best of luck, but you're always welcome back! (well, not so much once you actually enroll in another school, but until then...)

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - cardfan77 - 01-06-2016

This was expected but sad to see him leave.  Hopefully heʻll get to shine wherever he goes.  Thank you and best of luck B.  Sanders Jr.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - 81alum - 01-06-2016

Here is an honest question:  for players who decide they want to stay for a year after they graduate, isn't there a second admissions decision?  On this board and elsewhere, people seem to assume it is automatic, but don't these graduating players still have to be accepted into a graduate program?  I remember a couple of years ago when Ruef entered an Engineering program--that cannot have been a gimme.  Most master's programs at Stanford are selective and don't just admit anyone.  The athlete would have needed to have taken the right prerequisites, gotten reasonable grades, taken the GREs on time, collected letters of rec, etc.  I imagine most plan this out well in advance, talk to advisers, apply well ahead of time, etc., but their undergraduate years would have to be shaped in such a way as to prepare them for entrance into the grad program.

Or am I missing something?  Do players just delay their undergraduate graduation for a year so they can stick around and take some electives?  Or are there a few MA programs that admit everyone?

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - winflop - 01-06-2016

Many of them do a "co-term" which is to get a masters degree in the same major they had as an undergrad.  Back in the dark ages this was pretty much a rubber stamp as long as your grades were decent.  If you decide to get your masters in something very different that's another story

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - Stymie - 01-06-2016

As I understand it, Barry J is graduating in the Spring with an LSJU degree. and what he wants to do afterwards, is up to him and not us, or even the Stanford coaching staff.  If his dream is to spend another college year playing in a good/great football program and get more reps than he got with us or would probably get from us next year, all the best to Barry.  He deserves our love and respect.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - JohnR34231 - 01-06-2016

Hard to criticize Sanders for at least wanting to look around, when the alternative is another year on the pines backing up CMac.
I could see where he might be OK with doing that if it meant a year of grad school at Stanford would get paid for, but that's his decision.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - stupac2 - 01-06-2016

(01-06-2016, 05:49 AM)81alum link Wrote:Here is an honest question:  for players who decide they want to stay for a year after they graduate, isn't there a second admissions decision?

If they don't want to deal with that, couldn't they just... not graduate? Is there some mechanism that forces them to get an undergraduate degree in 4 years? For instance, I've heard nothing about Hogan getting a graduate degree. Or, even if they have the credits to graduate, is there any reason they have to?

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - ColoradoTree - 01-06-2016

(01-06-2016, 09:31 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=81alum link=topic=14318.msg151438#msg151438 date=1452084543]Here is an honest question:  for players who decide they want to stay for a year after they graduate, isn't there a second admissions decision?

If they don't want to deal with that, couldn't they just... not graduate? Is there some mechanism that forces them to get an undergraduate degree in 4 years? For instance, I've heard nothing about Hogan getting a graduate degree. Or, even if they have the credits to graduate, is there any reason they have to?
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I think this is fairly common, and IIRC, there are forms to fill out when you're getting ready to graduate (perhaps even an application, even though it would be rubber-stamped).  I would think it would be normal for football players to simply take a few classes the fall quarter of their 5th year and then be done with school, collecting their undergraduate degree on the way out the door while they get ready for the draft (or take another job).  In that sense, it's just an extra quarter, so it's not a full 5 years.  Of course, it's obviously also very common for our 5th year players to pursue a co-term master's degree.  Probably depends on the student, his career goals, and whether a master's degree helps that in any meaningful way. 

If I were a Stanford football player with a reasonable chance at playing in the NFL, I can absolutely see the rationale for taking a relatively light load my 4th year, taking the minimum the fall of my 5th year, THEN getting my degree, and then focus on getting ready for the draft. 

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - oman - 01-06-2016

(01-06-2016, 10:22 AM)ColoradoTree link Wrote:If they don't want to deal with that, couldn't they just... not graduate? Is there some mechanism that forces them to get an undergraduate degree in 4 years? For instance, I've heard nothing about Hogan getting a graduate degree. Or, even if they have the credits to graduate, is there any reason they have to?

MAX

Dr. Guggenheim. I don't want to tell you how to do your job. But the fact is no matter how hard I try, I still might flunk another class. And if that means I have to stay on for a post-graduate year, then so be it. But if --

DR. GUGGENHEIM

We don't offer a postgraduate year.

MAX

Well. We don't offer it yet.

(pause)

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - martyup - 01-06-2016

Wishing young Sanders the best.  IMO, Love would get more carries next season if BJ'S stays.  Bet he'll be sorry if we win the NC next season, beating OKS in the final.

Re: Today in our attrition: Barry J Sanders edition - dabigv13 - 01-06-2016

I wonder if BJS talks to any of our players who did a graduate transfer last year, such as Patrick Skov. Could provide some interesting perspective. Also wonder if that's something Shaw would encourage or not....Probably depends on the situation. You could tell Shaw was rooting for BJS by his reactions to some of his big runs this year.