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Re: Class of 2019 - Bruce Wang - 03-18-2018
Still no QB offer in this class.
Re: Class of 2019 - OutsiderFan - 03-18-2018
No real need for a QB in 2010 with Costello, Mills, and West lined up and McKee for 2020 already. Pretty sure Stanford would have offered one by now if they felt it was needed.
Re: Class of 2019 - DC 86 - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 07:30 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:No real need for a QB in 2010 with Costello, Mills, and West lined up and McKee for 2020 already. Pretty sure Stanford would have offered one by now if they felt it was needed.
Don't agree. Costello's last season could be 2018 or 2019. Mills has had a series of serious injuries, and shouldn't be counted on until he has a stretch of good health. West is still a completely unknown quantity at the college level. McKee returning from his mission and enrolling is likely but not certain. It's easy to envision a scenario in the fall of 2020 where Costello has moved on to the NFL, Mills is injured, McKee has returned from his mission but not played in two years, and West is the only scholarship quarterback. Having a talented class of 2019 redshirt freshman QB competing in the fall of 2020 seems essential.
Re: Class of 2019 - OutsiderFan - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 07:44 AM)DC 86 link Wrote:[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=16707.msg226155#msg226155 date=1521383434]
No real need for a QB in 2010 with Costello, Mills, and West lined up and McKee for 2020 already. Pretty sure Stanford would have offered one by now if they felt it was needed.
Don't agree. Costello's last season could be 2018 or 2019. Mills has had a series of serious injuries, and shouldn't be counted on until he has a stretch of good health. West is still a completely unknown quantity at the college level. McKee returning from his mission and enrolling is likely but not certain. It's easy to envision a scenario in the fall of 2020 where Costello has moved on to the NFL, Mills is injured, McKee has returned from his mission but not played in two years, and West is the only scholarship quarterback. Having a talented class of 2019 redshirt freshman QB competing in the fall of 2020 seems essential.
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I'm pretty sure the coaching staff would have offered a QB this cycle if at all concerned, wouldn't they? And let's not forget to add Richardson to the mix. He too may factor in to the equation here.
Re: Class of 2019 - DC 86 - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 07:51 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:[quote author=DC 86 link=topic=16707.msg226156#msg226156 date=1521384288]
[quote author=OutsiderFan link=topic=16707.msg226155#msg226155 date=1521383434]
No real need for a QB in 2010 with Costello, Mills, and West lined up and McKee for 2020 already. Pretty sure Stanford would have offered one by now if they felt it was needed.
Don't agree. Costello's last season could be 2018 or 2019. Mills has had a series of serious injuries, and shouldn't be counted on until he has a stretch of good health. West is still a completely unknown quantity at the college level. McKee returning from his mission and enrolling is likely but not certain. It's easy to envision a scenario in the fall of 2020 where Costello has moved on to the NFL, Mills is injured, McKee has returned from his mission but not played in two years, and West is the only scholarship quarterback. Having a talented class of 2019 redshirt freshman QB competing in the fall of 2020 seems essential.
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I'm pretty sure the coaching staff would have offered a QB this cycle if at all concerned, wouldn't they? And let's not forget to add Richardson to the mix. He too may factor in to the equation here.
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I don't agree with the "appeal to authority" argument, since the coaching staff is capable of making mistakes and in fact has made them with respect to the position.
But my greater concern/assumption is that the coaching staff does in fact understand the need for a QB in the class of 2019, but either hasn't found a player with the appropriate athletic/academic profile, or has identified such candidates but been unable to gain traction in recruiting them.
Re: Class of 2019 - Goose - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 07:57 AM)DC 86 link Wrote:But my greater concern/assumption is that the coaching staff does in fact understand the need for a QB in the class of 2019, but either hasn't found a player with the appropriate athletic/academic profile, or has identified such candidates but been unable to gain traction in recruiting them.The reason that they might not be able to get any traction is that said candidate looks at a situation where one guy has to go pro, one guy has to be too injured to play, one guy has to not pan out, and one guy has to need a year to get back in shape, and then maybe said candidate would see the field. While such a doomsday scenario might in fact occur, and it would be nice to have some "insurance", convincing somebody (who is actually good enough to play anywhere) to be that insurance isn't going to be easy.
Re: Class of 2019 - DC 86 - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 09:52 AM)Goose link Wrote:[quote author=DC 86 link=topic=16707.msg226158#msg226158 date=1521385048]The reason that they might not be able to get any traction is that said candidate looks at a situation where one guy has to go pro, one guy has to be too injured to play, one guy has to not pan out, and one guy has to need a year to get back in shape, and then maybe said candidate would see the field. While such a doomsday scenario might in fact occur, and it would be nice to have some "insurance", convincing somebody (who is actually good enough to play anywhere) to be that insurance isn't going to be easy.
But my greater concern/assumption is that the coaching staff does in fact understand the need for a QB in the class of 2019, but either hasn't found a player with the appropriate athletic/academic profile, or has identified such candidates but been unable to gain traction in recruiting them.
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Except that historically Stanford has been able to recruit elite QBs even when the depth chart looks crowded. And across the country you find numerous example of quarterbacks undeterred by competition. Justin Fields committed to Georgia despite the presence of Jake Fromm, who himself committed there a year ago despite Jacob Eason starting the entire season as a true freshman. Tua Tagavailoa chose Alabama even though Jalen Hurts had just won the national championship as a true freshman and been named SEC offensive player of the year. Trevor Lawrence committed to Clemson this year to compete against the formidable trio of Kelly Bryant, Hunter Johnson and Chase Brice.
Re: Class of 2019 - washingtonismoney - 03-18-2018
There are QBs on the radar. And it would be foolish to pass up on a QB; you should take at least one every year, as the current mess in spring practice shows.
Re: Class of 2019 - Goose - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 11:24 AM)DC 86 link Wrote:Except that historically Stanford has been able to recruit elite QBs even when the depth chart looks crowded.True. And how has that worked out for the recruits? I would say, on average, not so well. On the one hand, some guys who initially didn't look like they were going to get a shot, like Hogan, did, and did well. OTOH, the two guys he beat out didn't benefit much. The problem at Stanford, as opposed to many other schools, is that the QB has such a long gestation period that he can't easily transfer out when it looks like it isn't happening. Recruits notice this. They know that they won't get to play early, because that is not how we do it. If there is a logjam, it could be too late before the find out that the aren't going to get a shot.
Quote:And across the country you find numerous example of quarterbacks undeterred by competition. Justin Fields committed to Georgia despite the presence of Jake Fromm, who himself committed there a year ago despite Jacob Eason starting the entire season as a true freshman. Tua Tagavailoa chose Alabama even though Jalen Hurts had just won the national championship as a true freshman and been named SEC offensive player of the year. Trevor Lawrence committed to Clemson this year to compete against the formidable trio of Kelly Bryant, Hunter Johnson and Chase Brice.True, but I think you must admit that the last example you cited is a very rare happening. Competing with one guy is pretty much the deal you are going to get in most cases. If you are good, even if you don't win the battle, you red-shirt and probably have at least a year as the #1 guy, worst case. If your competition is really good and goes NFL early, you get two years as #1. That is a reasonable risk. Worst case, you find out in your freshman year (which won't happen at Stanford, most probably) that you have no shot and transfer. But, when you have 4 guys in the mix, three of which haven't used any eligibility yet, that is a big hill to climb. Not saying nobody would attempt it, but if you have aspirations of playing on Sunday, I doubt you can risk it.
Re: Class of 2019 - washingtonismoney - 03-18-2018
I'm not sure where this idea of a "long gestation period" comes from. All of Stanford's good recent starting QBs have taken over as redshirt freshmen. Unless recruits want to start as true freshmen, they'll get their shot perfectly quickly at Stanford.
Furthermore, I dunno, I tend to think things are working great for Stanford QB recruits. They get to win a lot, play in a system that prepares them for the NFL, and if that doesn't work out, get a Stanford degree. Sounds fine to me. The recruits agree.
Re: Class of 2019 - slide - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 07:57 AM)DC 86 link Wrote:I don't agree with the "appeal to authority" argument, since the coaching staff is capable of making mistakes and in fact has made them with respect to the position.
But my greater concern/assumption is that the coaching staff does in fact understand the need for a QB in the class of 2019, but either hasn't found a player with the appropriate athletic/academic profile, or has identified such candidates but been unable to gain traction in recruiting them.
DC -- I agree with your take and add that the after the fact rationale for a QB "gap" year has not worked out well for us. we have 0 healthy scholarship QBs at the moment. recall staff did not knowingly aim to take a QB gap year in 2015. our lead target/offeree opted elsewhere (and turned out to be a bust) and the 2nd offeree was just too late (he is ND's starting QB). also the last sustained success at QB we've had is Kevin Hogan, the 2nd QB signed his year. given our recent track record at QB id and development, it looks to argue for a QB every year and a second one in some years. lastly, I understand staff is looking at a number of '19 QBs so hopefully we will see an offer(s) soon.
Re: Class of 2019 - PVTree - 03-18-2018
(03-18-2018, 07:57 AM)DC 86 link Wrote:Except that historically Stanford has been able to recruit elite QBs even when the depth chart looks crowded. And across the country you find numerous example of quarterbacks undeterred by competition. Justin Fields committed to Georgia despite the presence of Jake Fromm, who himself committed there a year ago despite Jacob Eason starting the entire season as a true freshman. Tua Tagavailoa chose Alabama even though Jalen Hurts had just won the national championship as a true freshman and been named SEC offensive player of the year. Trevor Lawrence committed to Clemson this year to compete against the formidable trio of Kelly Bryant, Hunter Johnson and Chase Brice.
Hurts & Bama lost the NCG to Clemson, but point still stands.
Re: Class of 2019 - BostonCard - 03-26-2018
(12-06-2017, 08:32 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Offer to Branson Bragg, the top-ranked center for 2019: https://twitter.com/bransonbragg72/status/938610929687724032
From Crandall, Tex. Offers from LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, SC, so he's very high-caliber.
We make it to his final 8, along with Texas, aTm, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Michigan State, LSU, and Arkansas.
https://twitter.com/bransonbragg72/status/978061811571404803
Looks like SC fell off the wagon; we are now the only Pac-12 school in a very Big12/SEC centric list.
BC
Re: Class of 2019 - BigEasyCard - 03-26-2018
(03-26-2018, 09:30 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=washingtonismoney link=topic=16707.msg217356#msg217356 date=1512617570]
Offer to Branson Bragg, the top-ranked center for 2019: https://twitter.com/bransonbragg72/status/938610929687724032
From Crandall, Tex. Offers from LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, SC, so he's very high-caliber.
We make it to his final 8, along with Texas, aTm, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Michigan State, LSU, and Arkansas.
https://twitter.com/bransonbragg72/status/978061811571404803
Looks like SC fell off the wagon; we are now the only Pac-12 school in a very Big12/SEC centric list.
BC
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Academics won't be a problem:
4.2 GPA 31 ACT (per his Twitter page)
Also lists Jazz Pianist / Shot and Discus.
He recognizes our uniqueness in a comment posted on Rivals: https://stanford.rivals.com/news/the-2019-recruiting-board-who-may-be-next-on-offense-
"Not long after he earned an offer from his self-described dream school, Texas, he messaged Cardinal Sports Report about the effect a Stanford offer would have on his thinking: "I'd be extremely interested, I'd say Stanford is the best mix of great academics and great football in the country. It would put them high up.""
Geaux Cardinal!
Re: Class of 2019 - OutsiderFan - 03-27-2018
For those nervous about ILB depth, this looks like it could be a cure for what ails you:
https://stanford.rivals.com/news/kane-patterson-eager-to-visit-stanford-after-offer
This guy paired with Miezan would be something else.
Re: Class of 2019 - SamuelMcF - 03-27-2018
(03-27-2018, 02:56 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:For those nervous about ILB depth, this looks like it could be a cure for what ails you:
https://stanford.rivals.com/news/kane-patterson-eager-to-visit-stanford-after-offer
This guy paired with Miezan would be something else.
We also have Levani Damuni coming back from his mission - 1/2 more ILBs this class (Patterson and someone else?) and the cavalry will be on its way.
Re: Class of 2019 - Langdude - 03-27-2018
(03-27-2018, 02:56 PM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:For those nervous about ILB depth, this looks like it could be a cure for what ails you:
You aren't nervous about it? After this year, there will be a grand total of two ILBs with experience on the roster - Barton and Pryts - unless JMF or Miezan plays (I'm thinking one of them will). That's a problem.
-m.
Re: Class of 2019 - washingtonismoney - 03-27-2018
Some cures take a long time to take hold, and involve some nasty side effects. Landing four solid ILB recruits over 2018 and 2019 would be ...just such an example!
Re: Class of 2019 - BostonCard - 03-27-2018
(03-27-2018, 04:36 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Some cures take a long time to take hold, and involve some nasty side effects. Landing four solid ILB recruits over 2018 and 2019 would be ...just such an example!
I can undestand that landing four solid ILB recruits over the next two years would be a good example of a cure taking a long time to show an effect (that is, our ILB shortage would not be fully alleviated until 2020/2021. But I'm not sure what the nasty side effects of taking four ILB's would be, unless it crowds out some other position of need, which I don't think is the case.
BC
Re: Class of 2019 - washingtonismoney - 03-27-2018
Well, the nasty side effect is that gluts of players at one position can complicate roster management. A good example is the heralded class of 2012 OL. As we learned in 2016 you need to have a certain minimum of experienced OL to make a line work.
While taking enough numbers is a problem, in an alternative scenario it can be difficult to get those players experience if they come in behind a glut. It can also be hard to recruit past a glut (so, looking forward a bit, a good 2020 ILB recruit might be ever so slightly disinclined to go to Stanford after 4 guys in two years.)
To be fair nasty side effects is probably strong; I took some literary license.