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Re: Class of 2016 - CompSci87 - 10-09-2015

(10-09-2015, 12:52 PM)Hank 91 link Wrote:[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg133648#msg133648 date=1444416439]
[quote author=CrazedZooChimp link=topic=9617.msg133644#msg133644 date=1444415577]
Yeah, the toughest thing with walk-ons is they seems to get less (or no) benefit of the doubt from admissions than scholarship athletes.  Didn't we have a walk-on kicker recruit a couple years ago who seemed like a shoo-in to get accepted, until he didn't?

Yes, Hayden Lekacz. Here is the thread discussing him last year. He ended up and Vanderbilt.

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?topic=9535.0
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Does anyone have a sense for how the admissions office handles preferred walk-ons? Do they get the same attention as projected scholarship players, or are they in the general applicant pool? If it's the latter, there are obviously no shoe-ins.
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From what I've read, preferred walk-ons get more consideration than the general applicant pool, but less than projected scholarship players.

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Re: Class of 2016 - Mick - 10-09-2015

(10-09-2015, 04:01 PM)CompSci87 link Wrote:[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=9617.msg133671#msg133671 date=1444420322]
[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg133648#msg133648 date=1444416439]
[quote author=CrazedZooChimp link=topic=9617.msg133644#msg133644 date=1444415577]
Yeah, the toughest thing with walk-ons is they seems to get less (or no) benefit of the doubt from admissions than scholarship athletes.  Didn't we have a walk-on kicker recruit a couple years ago who seemed like a shoo-in to get accepted, until he didn't?

Yes, Hayden Lekacz. Here is the thread discussing him last year. He ended up and Vanderbilt.

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?topic=9535.0
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Does anyone have a sense for how the admissions office handles preferred walk-ons? Do they get the same attention as projected scholarship players, or are they in the general applicant pool? If it's the latter, there are obviously no shoe-ins.
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From what I've read, preferred walk-ons get more consideration than the general applicant pool, but less than projected scholarship players.
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Not sure how relevant this is, but when my son was recruited by several Ivies, the coach told him that he was limited to two "likely letters" which are the Ivy equivalent of letters-of-intent.  Essentially, they are reserved for the best two players, and in this case, the coach had reserved both of his likely letters for players that played a different position than young Mick.  The coach's dilemma was that he was losing five players off of his already thin roster.  He and the assistant athletic director of the department (whose sole role appeared to be getting athletes admitted) assured me that if we pursued the application process, odds of admission would jump up to about 60%.  Essentially the way it worked was that the coach would submit their preferred walkons (so to speak) in order, and the admissions folks would take some and not take others.  And sure enough, later that year, they admitted five athletes, two by likely letter, three by the augmented admissions process.  And FWLIW, the coach of the (very serious) club team at UC Brkeley stated the same thing, and even walked us through the process.  I still have the sample form. Each year, they would let us know the acceptance odds of the club athletes, never less than 45% and once as high as 75%.

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Re: Class of 2016 - TrumpCard - 10-09-2015

Speights now up to 1932 yards and 30 TDs.  I think only 7 games.  Stanford staff was there to watch the most recent game.
http://tamu.247sports.com/Bolt/Speights-goes-off-in-front-of-McKinney-other-college-coaches-40092892

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Re: Class of 2016 - theashwineffect - 10-09-2015

(10-09-2015, 04:22 PM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=CompSci87 link=topic=9617.msg133728#msg133728 date=1444431713]
[quote author=Hank 91 link=topic=9617.msg133671#msg133671 date=1444420322]
[quote author=PrinceLightfoot link=topic=9617.msg133648#msg133648 date=1444416439]
[quote author=CrazedZooChimp link=topic=9617.msg133644#msg133644 date=1444415577]
Yeah, the toughest thing with walk-ons is they seems to get less (or no) benefit of the doubt from admissions than scholarship athletes.  Didn't we have a walk-on kicker recruit a couple years ago who seemed like a shoo-in to get accepted, until he didn't?

Yes, Hayden Lekacz. Here is the thread discussing him last year. He ended up and Vanderbilt.

http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?topic=9535.0
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Does anyone have a sense for how the admissions office handles preferred walk-ons? Do they get the same attention as projected scholarship players, or are they in the general applicant pool? If it's the latter, there are obviously no shoe-ins.
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From what I've read, preferred walk-ons get more consideration than the general applicant pool, but less than projected scholarship players.
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Not sure how relevant this is, but when my son was recruited by several Ivies, the coach told him that he was limited to two "likely letters" which are the Ivy equivalent of letters-of-intent.  Essentially, they are reserved for the best two players, and in this case, the coach had reserved both of his likely letters for players that played a different position than young Mick.  The coach's dilemma was that he was losing five players off of his already thin roster.  He and the assistant athletic director of the department (whose sole role appeared to be getting athletes admitted) assured me that if we pursued the application process, odds of admission would jump up to about 60%.  Essentially the way it worked was that the coach would submit their preferred walkons (so to speak) in order, and the admissions folks would take some and not take others.  And sure enough, later that year, they admitted five athletes, two by likely letter, three by the augmented admissions process.  And FWLIW, the coach of the (very serious) club team at UC Brkeley stated the same thing, and even walked us through the process.  I still have the sample form. Each year, they would let us know the acceptance odds of the club athletes, never less than 45% and once as high as 75%.
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Likely letters are available for more than just the athlete applicant pool!

I convinced my non-athlete younger sister to apply to Stanford early, where she was accepted. She applied regular to both Yale and Harvard regular, too, and received "likely letters" from both a few weeks after her applications. Despite the full court press from both, she decided on Stanford, though it came down to the wire vs. Harvard.

She told me a few days ago that Stanford was the best decision she ever made, which I am sure the rest of us could also commiserate with with our own decisions, both in the moment and from a "40 year" perspective.

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Re: Class of 2016 - TrumpCard - 10-09-2015

Donald Stewart doing work:
[tweet]652663943194902528[/tweet]

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Re: Class of 2016 - JohnR34231 - 10-10-2015

Tough evening for KJ Costello & Co. last night.

62-14 trouncing by St. John Bosco. Ouch.

I guess the one good thing is the game shows that St John Bosco wasn't just good because of Josh Rosen.

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Re: Class of 2016 - washingtonismoney - 10-10-2015

https://twitter.com/mike_williams52/status/652936737577041920

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Re: Class of 2016 - StannyBoy - 10-10-2015

(10-10-2015, 07:11 AM)JPRI link Wrote:Tough evening for KJ Costello & Co. last night.

62-14 trouncing by St. John Bosco. Ouch.

I guess the one good thing is the game shows that St John Bosco wasn't just good because of Josh Rosen.

When Rosen was a junior their senior class had like 10-15 kids sign D1 scholarships. They're the top HS football program in Cali right now and it isn't even close. I think they actively recruit which I believe is frowned upon.

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Re: Class of 2016 - washingtonismoney - 10-10-2015

Bosco may have destroyed his team, but Costello didn't perform poorly: 15/23 for 187 and 2 TDs. Forced out by ankle injury, unfortunately.

http://ocsidelines.com/football-st-john-bosco-62-santa-margarita-14/

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Re: Class of 2016 - Mick - 10-10-2015

(10-10-2015, 04:55 PM)StannyBoy link Wrote:[quote author=JPRI link=topic=9617.msg133797#msg133797 date=1444486287]
Tough evening for KJ Costello & Co. last night.

62-14 trouncing by St. John Bosco. Ouch.

I guess the one good thing is the game shows that St John Bosco wasn't just good because of Josh Rosen.

When Rosen was a junior their senior class had like 10-15 kids sign D1 scholarships. They're the top HS football program in Cali right now and it isn't even close. I think they actively recruit which I believe is frowned upon.
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I think you could say that about any accomplished football program at De La Salle, Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, etc.  Their athletic directors and coaches would say that they "attract" athletes versus "recruit."  They know who the athletes are, the coaches and athletes are friendly with them and they see them at competitive events.  They dont do much "recruiting" let alone "convincing" because they don't need to.  If an athlete is attractive to them and the athlete wants to attend that school, then they do so.  Champion athletes want to attend champion schools.

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Re: Class of 2016 - JohnR34231 - 10-11-2015

(10-10-2015, 04:55 PM)StannyBoy link Wrote:[quote author=JPRI link=topic=9617.msg133797#msg133797 date=1444486287]
Tough evening for KJ Costello & Co. last night.

62-14 trouncing by St. John Bosco. Ouch.

I guess the one good thing is the game shows that St John Bosco wasn't just good because of Josh Rosen.

When Rosen was a junior their senior class had like 10-15 kids sign D1 scholarships. They're the top HS football program in Cali right now and it isn't even close. I think they actively recruit which I believe is frowned upon.
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Bosco may be the top program in California, but I think it's a close race between them and perennial power De La Salle. They edged by DLS in last year's state championship game, and I'll be surprised if the two teams don't meet in the same game this year.

Not sure what the rules are in California these days, but in Florida recruiting is not only frowned on, but a sanctionable offense if you get caught doing it. It still goes on anyway, and there is a lot of hostility toward teams (mostly private schools) that are suspected of doing it.

My biggest worry about Costello this year isn't that he will perform poorly, but that he will suffer some kind of injury that will hamper his college career. Doesn't sound like this ankle injury is too serious, though.

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Re: Class of 2016 - StanfordMatt - 10-11-2015

Pardon my ignorance on the subject but how can it be frowned upon for private schools to recruit? By their very nature, private schools will go out of business if they don't recruit students, athletes and non-athletes alike.

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Re: Class of 2016 - Mick - 10-11-2015

(10-11-2015, 09:34 AM)StanfordMatt link Wrote:Pardon my ignorance on the subject but how can it be frowned upon for private schools to recruit? By their very nature, private schools will go out of business if they don't recruit students, athletes and non-athletes alike.

I don't know, but every public school teacher, student, administrator and parent of public school student tells me it is unethical for private schools to recruit.

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Re: Class of 2016 - socalstanfan1 - 10-11-2015

(10-11-2015, 11:47 AM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=StanfordMatt link=topic=9617.msg134003#msg134003 date=1444581241]
Pardon my ignorance on the subject but how can it be frowned upon for private schools to recruit? By their very nature, private schools will go out of business if they don't recruit students, athletes and non-athletes alike.

I don't know, but every public school teacher, student, administrator and parent of public school student tells me it is unethical for private schools to recruit.
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Having worked, briefly, for a prestigious private school in SoCal while in graduate school, here is my take on the ethics of recruiting athletes at private schools.

The school where I worked clearly brought in students who were below the academic standards of the school to serve, primarily, as athletes.  They justified this by saying that they were giving the students an opportunity, which I suppose they were, but they did not provide much in the way of additional tutoring or other assistance for the athlete.  On occasion, the athlete was coming to this school from a family that really could not afford such outside help themselves (while nearly every other student in the school had private outside tutors on multiple subjects).  This would be, at the HS level, he equivalent of Stanford admitting athletes who clearly could not meet the standard of the school, and just placing them on their team for four years.  (Interestingly, working in China now, and I see the exact same situation here, with my school having a nationally recognized girls basketball team, and admitting students purely because of their athletic prowess, with test scores far below the school average; the students take classes, but are basically just passed through the system.)

Note: this situation was not the same for all student-athletes at the private school where I taught.  Many of the athletes were able to meet the academic standards of the school (some have even entered Stanford on athletic scholarships).  But there are others that are clearly brought only for their athletic talents.  Also worth noting: my daughter attended a HS in Los Angeles, which is able to admit students from different regions of Los Angeles, drawing particularly from schools that score lower on the myriad standardized tests students are required to take these days.  Many people assume that this HS (not an athletic powerhouse by any means) draws a lot of its athletes from these schools, perhaps taking students who might not find playing time at their own school, but want to take a shot at the other school.  Not really "recruiting" per se, but another way in which academics and athletics fit, sometimes uncomfortably, in American HS culture.

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Re: Class of 2016 - OutsiderFan - 10-11-2015

To what degree can Stanford leverage the USC implosion on the recruiting trail?  Is Stanford recruiting anyone USC is other than WR Dylan Crawford?

Obviously Costello feels even better about his choice now. 

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Re: Class of 2016 - BostonCard - 10-11-2015

https://twitter.com/_Chacho13_/status/653367986212868096

Ulloa will be announcing in a couple days.

BC

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Re: Class of 2016 - Hank 91 - 10-11-2015

Long Beach Poly has been one of the top programs in California for the past several years and has famously sent more players to the NFL than any high school in America. People have always accused them of recruiting, because how else would so many great players end up there? But here's the thing -- they don't have to recruit. I was at the game last weekend, and I saw dozens of elementary school kids wearing their Pop Warner jerseys in the stands. From that young, they all know where they want to play. Any eighth grader with football aspirations in the Long Beach area wants to play for Poly (or Bosco, which isn't too far away). (By the way, Bosco beat Poly in an amazing game in the CIF semi-finals last season.)

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Re: Class of 2016 - BobK - 10-12-2015

Long beach has open enrollment and Poly has close to 5,000 kids

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Re: Class of 2016 - cardcoug - 10-12-2015

(10-11-2015, 09:34 AM)StanfordMatt link Wrote:Pardon my ignorance on the subject but how can it be frowned upon for private schools to recruit? By their very nature, private schools will go out of business if they don't recruit students, athletes and non-athletes alike.

I'm still a little confused about this. Of course private schools can advertise (broadly speaking) themselves to potential students and parents, and it would be odd if they couldn't point to their athletics as something the school has to offer in doing so. Is it contact by coaches specifically that is frowned upon?

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Re: Class of 2016 - TrumpCard - 10-12-2015

This summary of UDFG recruiting is interesting because there is not even a mention of Chacho Ulloa:
http://notredame.247sports.com/Article/Notre-Dame-rises-in-the-recruiting-rankings-40193703

The lack of mention is interesting because 247 lists UDFG as the favorite to land Ulloa.  I wonder whether UDFG's offer to Ulloa is still committable.  Either way, I'd still be happy to have Ulloa on board with the class, especially since Jordan Fuller has eliminated Stanford and Ikenna Okeke hasn't set up an official visit. 

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