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RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 08-18-2022
Harrison's latest... 6IP, 0 runs, 2 hits, ZERO BB, 10K.
Bring him up. And hire the D Backs pitching coach.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - OutsiderFan - 08-19-2022
The Giants are a .500 team. The teams they are chasing are simply better. There is no uncertainty they will miss the playoffs, just the uncertainty of by how many games?
Otherwise, let Bart play every game the rest of the way and bring up some guys from AA in September after the playoffs are done to give the fans a reason to pay attention.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Mick - 08-19-2022
(08-19-2022, 04:49 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The Giants are a .500 team. The teams they are chasing are simply better. There is no uncertainty they will miss the playoffs, just the uncertainty of by how many games?
Otherwise, let Bart play every game the rest of the way and bring up some guys from AA in September after the playoffs are done to give the fans a reason to pay attention.
Good idea. Along those lines, I wonder how many Robby Thompsons are out there?
The conventional wisdom is that most PCL players will bat 60-120 points below their eventual MLB averages. There are some players, on the lower end, that are simply AAAA, too good for the PCL, not good enough for MLB. And there are a handful like Robby Thompson, who make the jump from AA and had these stat lines:
AA .261/.358/.370/.698
MLB .271/.328/.370/.698
Robby was a two-time All-Star, led the league in triples one year, won a gold glove, came up with Will Clark. Really solid player. Hope we have some of those in our minor league system.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 08-19-2022
(08-19-2022, 06:34 AM)Mick Wrote:(08-19-2022, 04:49 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The Giants are a .500 team. The teams they are chasing are simply better. There is no uncertainty they will miss the playoffs, just the uncertainty of by how many games?
Otherwise, let Bart play every game the rest of the way and bring up some guys from AA in September after the playoffs are done to give the fans a reason to pay attention.
Good idea. Along those lines, I wonder how many Robby Thompsons are out there?
The conventional wisdom is that most PCL players will bat 60-120 points below their eventual MLB averages. There are some players, on the lower end, that are simply AAAA, too good for the PCL, not good enough for MLB. And there are a handful like Robby Thompson, who make the jump from AA and had these stat lines:
AA .261/.358/.370/.698
MLB .271/.328/.370/.698
Robby was a two-time All-Star, led the league in triples one year, won a gold glove, came up with Will Clark. Really solid player. Hope we have some of those in our minor league system.
Giants aren’t going to rush Harrison. Plus they need to monitor his innings. I doubt he’s called up.
Some indication they are calling up Ramos. He’s in Colorado. Maybe call up. Maybe taxi squad. If he’s called up, it better not be for a cup of coffee. Play him everyday.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 08-19-2022
Ramos has fallen to #18 on Giants prospect list.
And Lex baby, the Dodgers brought up Urias when he was 20. Make Harrison one of your two Sept callups and give him a taste.
The 26 man Dodger team probably has 23 guys better than the Giants 26. Drastic measures are demanded.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - BobK - 08-19-2022
https://twitter.com/extrabaggs/status/1560340891683803136?s=21&t=uKlDP5XhGgF3do3glPggag
Check out the Eugene SS.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - OutsiderFan - 08-19-2022
Brown and Luciano together in the same lineup is a sight for sore eyes. Hopefully they are on a Giants lineup card routinely about a year from now!
Surprised Pomares isn't in the lineup. He's been murdering the ball lately, after a very slow start to his season.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 08-20-2022
(08-19-2022, 07:53 AM)Phogge Wrote: Ramos has fallen to #18 on Giants prospect list.
And Lex baby, the Dodgers brought up Urias when he was 20. Make Harrison one of your two Sept callups and give him a taste.
The 26 man Dodger team probably has 23 guys better than the Giants 26. Drastic measures are demanded.
They did. (Actually he was 19. 2016 Pitched 45 innings in minors then 77 with Dodgers. Never pitched more than 80 innings in a season again until ‘21. So, they also monitored his innings closely for several years. He also got hurt along the way and missed most of a year).
Harrison threw 98 innings in ‘21. 92 last year and is at 92 this year. They are not going to and they should be calling him up at the end of the year when he’s reach his high point in innings. It is not smart. But I’m all for him breaking camp with the Giants in ‘23.
Different baseball world Phogge. Pitchers are treated very carefully. And it makes sense. Bum, Lincecum and Cain all racked up a lot of innings and in a lot of high pressure games in their early 20’s. Lincecum and Cain burned out quickly. Bum is a shell of what he was. (He threw 260 innings in ‘14. He was 24)
RE: 2022 Giants thread - BobK - 08-20-2022
Luciano with a grand slam last night
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 08-20-2022
(08-20-2022, 11:26 AM)BobK Wrote: Luciano with a grand slam last night
Time to fast track Luciano. If he’s not with the Giants by June 1 next year, I’ll be disappointed. They don’t have to go through all levels first. Look at Micheal Harris for the Braves.
Then there is Bob Horner. But that was a loooonnng time ago.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Giants - 08-20-2022
(08-20-2022, 11:45 AM)lex24 Wrote:(08-20-2022, 11:26 AM)BobK Wrote: Luciano with a grand slam last night
Time to fast track Luciano. If he’s not with the Giants by June 1 next year, I’ll be disappointed. They don’t have to go through all levels first. Look at Micheal Harris for the Braves.
Then there is Bob Horner. But that was a loooonnng time ago.
My guesses:
Luciano will start at Richmond with the possibility of skipping Sacramento if warranted. We can hope that he makes up some lost ground when he plays in the winter league in the Dominican. Who knows, if he plays well, he might skip AA, and go directly to AAA. Regardless, with Crawford under contract for one more season, Luciano is on track to take over SS full time in 2024.
Harrison will bump up to Sacramento and be with the big club by the end of the season.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 08-20-2022
(08-20-2022, 11:57 AM)Giants Wrote:(08-20-2022, 11:45 AM)lex24 Wrote:(08-20-2022, 11:26 AM)BobK Wrote: Luciano with a grand slam last night
Time to fast track Luciano. If he’s not with the Giants by June 1 next year, I’ll be disappointed. They don’t have to go through all levels first. Look at Micheal Harris for the Braves.
Then there is Bob Horner. But that was a loooonnng time ago.
My guesses:
Luciano will start at Richmond with the possibility of skipping Sacramento if warranted. We can hope that he makes up some lost ground when he plays in the winter league in the Dominican. Who knows, if he plays well, he might skip AA, and go directly to AAA. Regardless, with Crawford under contract for one more season, Luciano is on track to take over SS full time in 2024.
Harrison will bump up to Sacramento and be with the big club by the end of the season.
Depends. If the giants go rebuild mode, both should be on the Big Club by June 1. They may take some lumps. But that’s not a big issue if rebuilding is the key.
Hell, the Braves are contending. They had no problem fast tracking Michael Harris. With baseball more and more becoming a young man’s game, get them up. Luciano will be 22 in ‘24. Harrison 23. If they truly are as talented as they say, they should be up before that.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 08-20-2022
Harrison just turned 21. Bringing him up as a September callup won't hurt him and the Giants are now kaput anyway. Let him pitch a few innings. Gets him ready for mid season next year.
Baseball not was it once was is a cop out. If he's ready let him pitch. The Giants need horses and right now he's a young thoroughbred.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - OutsiderFan - 08-21-2022
My vantage point suggests the Giants have 5 potentially ready for MLB in 2023 prospects:
- SP Kyle Harrison (21) AA
- 3B Casey Schmitt (23) AA
- SS Marco Luciano (20) A+ (would have been promoted to AA already if not for back strain)
- OF Vaun Brown (24) A+ (dominating with 5 tools, and has earned promotion to AA)
- OF Heliot Ramos (22) AAA (yes, he has struggled this year, but is still pretty young)
I watched some YouTube video of every Luciano AB in Giants Spring Training games this past February. He looked largely overmatched against fringe MLB pitching talent. Lots of swings and misses and not much hard contact. Clearly was not ready this year.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 08-21-2022
(08-21-2022, 06:20 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: My vantage point suggests the Giants have 5 potentially ready for MLB in 2023 prospects:
- SP Kyle Harrison (21) AA
- 3B Casey Schmitt (23) AA
- SS Marco Luciano (20) A+ (would have been promoted to AA already if not for back strain)
- OF Vaun Brown (24) A+ (dominating with 5 tools, and has earned promotion to AA)
- OF Heliot Ramos (22) AAA (yes, he has struggled this year, but is still pretty young)
I watched some YouTube video of every Luciano AB in Giants Spring Training games this past February. He looked largely overmatched against fringe MLB pitching talent. Lots of swings and misses and not much hard contact. Clearly was not ready this year.
Much depends on the direction they go off season. Strip it down for total rebuild. Or try to go big in FA market.
Look at the regulars that are currently on 26:
Most likely back:
Craw (year left)
Slater
Bart
La Stella (contract) - I’d take the sunk cost. But doubt they will.
Estrada
Yaz. (He’s under team control and they won’t have to pay him much). But we see what he is. A 4th or 5th OF. Whose Giants only regular OF. Unfortunately.
Wade
Davis
Not a whole lot there.
Gone
Pederson
Flores - wish they’d resign him but I suspect he goes FA
Longo
Wynns
Big Question:
Belt. Id shut him down for the season. Put him on the 60. He’s obviously hurting. Reminds me of when Posey had no lower body. Posey could at least hit for a decent average cause he had such great hands as a hitter. And he had value as a catcher. But he couldn’t turn and couldn’t drive the ball. It took a year off for his body to heal. Belt doesn’t have that luxury. And he seems to have no lower body in his swing. So, shut him down. If there is a surgery that can help, do it now. And maybe he can be a viable option for one more year. Otherwise, time to cut ties. Or maybe he retires. If brought back, it will be under a very team friendly contract. He made 18 million this year. Hard to see him getting more than a one year deal at about 6-8 million. There will not be a much of a market for him.
I’d bring back Gonzalez and Villar right now. Play them everyday. See if either is a viable possibility for ‘23.
On the pitching side they have a nice starting core in Webb, Cobb, Wood. Maybe Junis is for real. Maybe not. DeSclafani was a bad signing. But maybe he will rebound some. Question is, if they go full rebuild do they look to deal Cobb and/or Wood.
Bullpen - Doval. Brebbia. The rest are fungible. Keep Rogers just because he’s durable. But I expect a lot of turnover in the pen. Littlle, Garcia, Leone, Young, all could be gone. Giants have several young arms in AA and AAA - Waites, Rodriguez, Dabovich that throw hard and rack up K’s. They also rack up walks. I suspect some if not all to be up next year. I liked Llovera. Nice arm. But don’t know how long he’s out.
Time to pivot. Should have done so prior to the deadline. But that’s bridgewater. I’m thinking it’s time to go full rebuild. That means looking to trade some assets for prospects. Cobb and Wood both possibilities. You should be able to get a major league ready prospect for each of them. Starting pitchers are a premium. Brebbia has some worth. Maybe Davis. Maybe Slater. Not much else to deal. Zaidi screwed the pooch with Rodon.
If they do strip down, we will see the youngsters earlier. Including, Harrison. Heck it they are in full fledged rebuild no reason he can’t break North come April.
There will be pain if they strip it down. But at least hope going forward. It will also involve selling this to the fan base. Which won’t be easy.
In the long run, ‘21 was bad for the organization. Fun as hell. But hubris set in…..
Going to be an interesting winter.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - BobK - 08-21-2022
Good analysis Lex thanks.
Good bye please to LaStella and Belt. Belt doesn’t want to be here at all he’s given up. A sad ending to what always a very good 2021
If a rebuilt screw the Giants says this fan of so very long. Pre SF
Need a 1st Base and 3rd Base and OFer. And 5 pitchers
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 08-22-2022
(08-21-2022, 01:22 PM)BobK Wrote: Good analysis Lex thanks.
Good bye please to LaStella and Belt. Belt doesn’t want to be here at all he’s given up. A sad ending to what always a very good 2021
If a rebuilt screw the Giants says this fan of so very long. Pre SF
Need a 1st Base and 3rd Base and OFer. And 5 pitchers
That’s a lot of needs!
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 08-22-2022
When the season ends all players on IL are activated and count on the 40. I think Belt goes FA since I can't conceive of the Giants keeping him on the 40. They could resign Flores as a DH/!B which will mean that the balloon toss from second will cease to exist. He probably goes elsewhere.
Most of the best young prospects aren't yet eligible for the Rule 5 minor league draft. One who is is Corry. I doubt that the Giants will protect him on the 40 so he's probably gone. Pitched twice for Eugene and got hurt.
Dabovich and others will contend for a bullpen spot. Delaplane, who might have the best stuff in the Giants chain, is hurt and won't be protected IMO. Has command issues but by all accounts is electric.
They need to open Fort Knox in 2024 and sign Ohtani if he hasn't been traded before.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - qwerty49 - 08-22-2022
(08-22-2022, 05:45 PM)lex24 Wrote:(08-21-2022, 01:22 PM)BobK Wrote: Good analysis Lex thanks.
Good bye please to LaStella and Belt. Belt doesn’t want to be here at all he’s given up. A sad ending to what always a very good 2021
If a rebuilt screw the Giants says this fan of so very long. Pre SF
Need a 1st Base and 3rd Base and OFer. And 5 pitchers
That’s a lot of needs!
Agree with my homie Bobbk. Also with Lex --- I never saw much value in DeSciafani. He never seemed to last more than 4-5 innings.
Even when having a good year, Kay Looking was not much fun to watch. That bunt fiasco the other day was a great WTF moment.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - cardcrimson - 08-22-2022
(08-22-2022, 09:10 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Even when having a good year, Kay Looking was not much fun to watch. That bunt fiasco the other day was a great WTF moment.
Thanks for the chuckle!