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RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - hkhamai - 03-05-2024
(03-05-2024, 12:44 PM)BobK Wrote: Congrats to Cam POY and Defensive POYArticle - https://pac-12.com/article/2024/03/04/2023-24-pac-12-womens-basketball-all-conference-honors-and-annual-performance
Congrats Kiki most improved
of immense proportions Congrats Tara. Coach of the Year
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - PVTree - 03-05-2024
(03-04-2024, 02:51 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: I don't have the bandwidth to follow WBB much pre-NCAAT but came across this article today which I figured would be of interest to many:
https://www.thenexthoops.com/ncaaw/coaches-poll-best-xs-and-os-coach/
I find it interesting in the "Coaches receiving one vote" section, there's no Kim Mulkey, but there is a Bob Starkey for LSU.
Baez87 - Baez87 - 03-05-2024
Having just returned from a beautiful hacienda in the middle of Jalisco, Mexico, I am excited by our team’s finish at the top. My wife and I were huddled around our iPhones watching what our bandwidth would allow — the play-by-play portrayals of the Oregon games on the ESPN app. The Sling App didn’t have enough juice, so we had to settle for written words instead of moving images.
This team has been such a pleasure to follow! The players, the coaches, the fans have been so special. Bob Kinder summed it up perfectly in reminding us to “enjoy the ride” which gets at the heart of the reason my wife and I love this team. Accolades, awards, and wins are something to cheer about. Effort, attitude, and the excitement of the moment are processes that produce real joy, and for this I am grateful to all of those whose efforts we celebrate.
Enjoy the ride!
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - 81alum - 03-05-2024
(03-05-2024, 12:44 PM)BobK Wrote: Congrats to Cam POY and Defensive POYFantastic! Fitting that Tara and Cam win the last such awards. Well, who knows what the Pac 12 will be next year, but fitting that the coach who did more to build the Pac 12 into the nation's best WBB conference should be the final recipient of the coach's award.
Congrats Kiki most improved
of immense proportions Congrats Tara. Coach of the Year
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - martyup - 03-05-2024
Jump is under appreciated on the defensive end.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - WBB fan - 03-05-2024
(03-05-2024, 02:26 PM)martyup Wrote: Jump is under appreciated on the defensive end.
Totally agree. She deserved to be in the all pac-12 team, not just an honorable mention
RE: Class_of_75 - CompSci87 - 03-05-2024
(03-05-2024, 12:30 PM)Class_of_75 Wrote: https://pac-12.com/article/2024/03/04/2023-24-pac-12-womens-basketball-all-conference-honors-and-annual-performance
Great selections this year!
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - PVTree - 03-05-2024
(03-05-2024, 02:26 PM)martyup Wrote: Jump is under appreciated on the defensive end.
She may very well be under appreciated, but I don't see her being Pac12 1st team all defensive. Who does she displace? Not Brink, not Sherrod, not Osborne. Pueyo?
Pueyo leads the conference in steals and is 7th on the all-time list, so Jump does not displace Pueyo. Betts?
OK, Betts but that's MY cardinal-colored glasses talking about being sore about her departure.
I also don't recall any commentator referring to Jump as a shut-down defender. I think HM is the right call.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - martyup - 03-05-2024
(03-05-2024, 05:53 PM)PVTree Wrote:(03-05-2024, 02:26 PM)martyup Wrote: Jump is under appreciated on the defensive end.
She may very well be under appreciated, but I don't see her being Pac12 1st team all defensive. Who does she displace? Not Brink, not Sherrod, not Osborne. Pueyo?
Pueyo leads the conference in steals and is 7th on the all-time list, so Jump does not displace Pueyo. Betts?
OK, Betts but that's MY cardinal-colored glasses talking about bring sore about her departure.
I also don't recall any commentator referring to Jump as a shut-down defender. I think HM is the right call.
But she wasn't even HM on defense.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - WBB fan - 03-06-2024
Another regret the end of the Pac-12 article focused on Tara, this one from the SF Chron this morning. I so totally endorse the putting the blame on football and the hope that football can be pulled out of conference, be on its own, and that perhaps some new version of the Pac-12, or at least a west coast conference, can be recreated for all the other sports. Love the recognition of the role that Tara has played in the success of WBB in the conference as a whole.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/annkillion/article/led-pac-12-s-growth-stanford-s-vanderveer-18704998.php?utm_content=img&sid=53ba715ea256abba1800087a&ss=A&st_rid=3c12701c-fee5-4243-a806-0929278fbb67&utm_source=marketing&utm_medium=copy-url-link&utm_term=headlines&utm_campaign=article-share&hash=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc2ZjaHJvbmljbGUuY29tL3Nwb3J0cy9hbm5raWxsaW9uL2FydGljbGUvbGVkLXBhYy0xMi1zLWdyb3d0aC1zdGFuZm9yZC1zLXZhbmRlcnZlZXItMTg3MDQ5OTgucGhw&time=MTcwOTc0MzU2OTc3Mg%3D%3D&rid=M2MxMjcwMWMtZmVlNS00MjQzLWE4MDYtMDkyOTI3OGZiYjY3&sharecount=MQ%3D%3D
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - WBB fan - 03-06-2024
Another article of interest, on ESPN, their ranking of the 50 best WBB players in the Pac-12 since the conference began governing women's sports in 1986-87. Multiple Stanford players on the list, including Nneka as #2 (Lisa Leslie at #1). Chiney is #6.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39663885/womens-ncaa-basketball-pac-12-ranking-best-players-all
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - PalmTree - 03-06-2024
(03-06-2024, 10:30 AM)WBB fan Wrote: Another article of interest, on ESPN, their ranking of the 50 best WBB players in the Pac-12 since the conference began governing women's sports in 1986-87. Multiple Stanford players on the list, including Nneka as #2 (Lisa Leslie at #1). Chiney is #6.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39663885/womens-ncaa-basketball-pac-12-ranking-best-players-all
Some quick observations:
- agree with Leslie at #1
- "multiple Stanford players" is putting it mildly :-)
- what awesome post tandems we've been lucky to watch in the P12 - Leslie/Thompson, Nneka/Chiney, Appel/Pederson & now Cam/Kiki. Most formidable front line overall? I'll go with Stevens/Steding/Whiting
- No Milica Vukadinovich?!?!?
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - Hoops9092 - 03-06-2024
(03-06-2024, 11:12 AM)PalmTree Wrote:(03-06-2024, 10:30 AM)WBB fan Wrote: Another article of interest, on ESPN, their ranking of the 50 best WBB players in the Pac-12 since the conference began governing women's sports in 1986-87. Multiple Stanford players on the list, including Nnecka as #2 (Lisa Leslie at #2). Chiney is #6.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39663885/womens-ncaa-basketball-pac-12-ranking-best-players-all
Some quick observations:
- agree with Leslie at #1
- "multiple Stanford players" is putting it mildly :-)
- what awesome post tandems we've been lucky to watch in the P12 - Leslie/Thompson, Nneka/Chimney, Appel/Pederson & now Cam/Kiki. Most formidable front line overall? I'll go with Stevens/Steding/Whiting
- No Milica Vukadinovich?!?!?
Was Leslie really all that while at USC? I know she blossomed into the face of the WNBA but it seems her success at USC wasn't nearly as prominent. Nneka on the other hand led Stanford to 4 Final Fours and was dominant in 3 of those seasons.
I also think Wiggins should have been higher for the success she had in the Pac-10. But I wonder if her limited WNBA success influenced her placement (IE the opposite of my take of Leslie).
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - BillBradley - 03-06-2024
The article says the rankings take the professional careers into account ("....weigh in success the players have had not just in college, but in their professional and international careers as well."). If they only looked at the college careers, Cam would be up there with the best of our Stanford players (1 Time POY, 3 Time DPOY, at least 1 Natty, at least 2 Final Fours). Her stat line is impressive. Not quite as prolific of a scorer as others, but it's made up for by her defense and blocks (the all time P12 career blocks leader with over 400). That's hundreds more blocks than Nneka, Cheney, Val, Jayne....In the end, Cam may end up having the best WNBA career of all of them.
Not sure who I would say is Stanford's best ever college player. I didn't really watch enough of Azzi, Val, Starbird to know how they stack up. Of the players I'm most familiar with, I'd probably go with Chiney. Interested in what others think, especially those who've watched them all!
Here are the links to the Stanford players who have won the P12 POY honor, along with links to their career stats:
Cameron Brink - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cameron-brink-1.html
Haley Jones - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/haley-jones-2.html
Chiney Ogwumike - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chiney-ogwumike-1.html
Nneka Ogwumike - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nnemkadi-ogwumike-1.html
Jeannette Polen - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jeanette-pohlen-1.html
Jayne Appel - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jayne-appel-1.html
Candice Wiggins - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/candice-wiggins-1.html
Nicole Powell - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nicole-powell-1.html
Kate Starbird - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kate-starbird-1.html
Val Whiting - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/val-whiting-1.html
Sonja Henning - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sonja-henning-1.html
Jennifer Azzi - https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jennifer-azzi-1.html
(03-06-2024, 12:03 PM)Hoops9092 Wrote:Leslie was pretty dominant, averaging 20 pts and 10 boards. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/lisa-leslie-1.html(03-06-2024, 11:12 AM)PalmTree Wrote:(03-06-2024, 10:30 AM)WBB fan Wrote: Another article of interest, on ESPN, their ranking of the 50 best WBB players in the Pac-12 since the conference began governing women's sports in 1986-87. Multiple Stanford players on the list, including Nnecka as #2 (Lisa Leslie at #2). Chiney is #6.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39663885/womens-ncaa-basketball-pac-12-ranking-best-players-all
Some quick observations:
- agree with Leslie at #1
- "multiple Stanford players" is putting it mildly :-)
- what awesome post tandems we've been lucky to watch in the P12 - Leslie/Thompson, Nneka/Chimney, Appel/Pederson & now Cam/Kiki. Most formidable front line overall? I'll go with Stevens/Steding/Whiting
- No Milica Vukadinovich?!?!?
Was Leslie really all that while at USC? I know she blossomed into the face of the WNBA but it seems her success at USC wasn't nearly as prominent. Nneka on the other hand led Stanford to 4 Final Fours and was dominant in 3 of those seasons.
I also think Wiggins should have been higher for the success she had in the Pac-10. But I wonder if her limited WNBA success influenced her placement (IE the opposite of my take of Leslie).
Agree about your take on Wiggins.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - 81alum - 03-06-2024
In other news, Charlisse Leger Walker is seriously considering coming back to WSU next season. Before she blew out her ACL she was definitely going pro, but she would probably miss the pro season anyway while recuperating from the surgery she had last week.
There seems to be a pattern of a number of top players coming back, for one reason or another, rather than going pro.
Hope for Brink springs eternal.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - joemontes - 03-06-2024
(03-06-2024, 11:12 AM)PalmTree Wrote:Yes, that first Stanford 89-90 NCAA championship post group should include(03-06-2024, 10:30 AM)WBB fan Wrote: Another article of interest, on ESPN, their ranking of the 50 best WBB players in the Pac-12 since the conference began governing women's sports in 1986-87. Multiple Stanford players on the list, including Nnecka as #2 (Lisa Leslie at #2). Chiney is #6.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39663885/womens-ncaa-basketball-pac-12-ranking-best-players-all
Some quick observations:
- agree with Leslie at #1
- "multiple Stanford players" is putting it mildly :-)
- what awesome post tandems we've been lucky to watch in the P12 - Leslie/Thompson, Nneka/Chimney, Appel/Pederson & now Cam/Kiki. Most formidable front line overall? I'll go with Stevens/Steding/Whiting
- No Milica Vukadinovich?!?!?
Julie ZOELSTRA, so more like STEVENS/WHITING/ZOELSTRA/STEDING
with STEDING playing more like their starting 3 during that scintillating season.
For me, it's a tie for Stanford's best post group between that 89-90 dominant post group
and the APPEL/PEDERESEN/Nneka OGWUMIKE triumvirate because playing together
for two seasons in 08-09 and 09-10, the latter powered Stanford to 2 Final Fours,
while reaching the NCAA national championship game once.
Individually, APPEL was part of 3 Final Four teams
that went on to play in two National Championship games,
while both Nneka and PEDERSEN were part of 4 Final Four teams
that went on to play in one National Championship game.
As a side comment, Stanford's 2nd NCAA championship team in 91-92
had WHITING as their featured post player but ably supported
in the post by then freshmen Rachel HEMMER (who was voted
National Freshman of the year) and Anita KAPLAN.
And Stanford's 3rd NCAA championship team in 20-21
had freshman BRINK as their starting center but ably supported
in the post by BELIBI and PRECHTEL and Haley JONES
(who was their starting PF)
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - PVTree - 03-08-2024
The Ohio State University is going down in their conference quarterfinals by ~20 points to Maryland.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - martyup - 03-08-2024
(03-08-2024, 12:32 PM)PVTree Wrote: The Ohio State University is going down in their conference quarterfinals by ~20 points to Maryland.
tOSU can kiss a #1 seed goodbye.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - Spiny_Norman - 03-08-2024
(03-08-2024, 01:45 PM)martyup Wrote:(03-08-2024, 12:32 PM)PVTree Wrote: The Ohio State University is going down in their conference quarterfinals by ~20 points to Maryland.
tOSU can kiss a #1 seed goodbye.
Opens the door for Iowa to win the B10 tournament and claim a #1 seed.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - OCcardinal - 03-08-2024
(03-08-2024, 03:15 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:It may be enough to move them to #1 (in place of Ohio State) all by itself. However, there are 2 ways it actually hurts Iowa:(03-08-2024, 01:45 PM)martyup Wrote:(03-08-2024, 12:32 PM)PVTree Wrote: The Ohio State University is going down in their conference quarterfinals by ~20 points to Maryland.
tOSU can kiss a #1 seed goodbye.
Opens the door for Iowa to win the B10 tournament and claim a #1 seed.
1) It diminishes the value of Iowa's recent home victory over Ohio State
2) It diminishes the value of winning the B10 title (especially if McKenzie Holmes isn't able to play for Indiana)