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RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-14-2024

Answer: Madison Bumgarner

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-15-2024

(09-14-2024, 07:59 PM)BobK Wrote: Henderson was 19 so not him lol lol

My misteak...

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-15-2024

In Baggerly’s latest column, he indicated that “according to sources”, Posey took the lead on the Chapman signing after ownership felt things were not going quickly enough.

Of course, to be fair to Zaidi, Posey was able to deal directly with Chapman (cutting Boras out of the loop) whereas Zaidi was obligated to communicate with Boras regarding any negotiations.

Could ownership be getting a bit tired of Zaidi? Hmmmmm……

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-18-2024

(09-15-2024, 09:44 PM)Giants Wrote: In Baggerly’s latest column, he indicated that “according to sources”, Posey took the lead on the Chapman signing after ownership felt things were not going quickly enough.

Of course, to be fair to Zaidi, Posey was able to deal directly with Chapman (cutting Boras out of the loop) whereas Zaidi was obligated to communicate with Boras regarding any negotiations.

Could ownership be getting a bit tired of Zaidi? Hmmmmm……

Boras claims that Farhan did all the negotiating and fine-print adjustments, and that Posey talked directly with Chapman because Zaidi is technically not allowed to do so during this stage. Doesn't keep Kurtenbach from lobbying for Zaidi's firing. In yesterday's screed, DK referred to it as a calamity and thinks Zaidi is the Peter Principle personified.

And speaking of Boras clients...I didn't know this, but Blake Snell is the sixth-highest paid starting pitcher (not including Ohtani). Verlander, Scherzer, deGrom, Cole and Strasburg are slightly ahead. Last year, Snell's only offer was six years, $150 mms. from the Yankees and he countered with nine years, $270 mms. Not sure the Yanks even responded.

Last night, Snell struck out 12 and gave up three hits in the Giants' 10-0 victory over the Orioles with the third best record in the AL (Stephen Vogt's Guardians have the second best record. GREAT manager). Since coming off disabled list in early July, Snell has the best ERA among starting pitchers by 1/2 run per game at 1.33. The Giants have won 13 of Snell's 16 starts, and have lost 15 of their last 23.

What are the odds that the Giants keep Snell? How much would it take?

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-18-2024

Giants (74-78) beat Orioles, 5-3. Orioles are #3 team in the AL. They also recently acquired Stanford alum Slater, who struck out in his only pinch-hitting attempt of the game.

Stanford alum Miller "earned" his 13th hold by allowing two hits in 1/3rd of an inning. ERA currently 3.50. Stanford grad Beck is on the roster, they're looking for places/times to pitch him.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-18-2024

(09-18-2024, 07:02 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants (74-78) beat Orioles, 5-3. Orioles are #3 team in the AL. They also recently acquired Stanford alum Slater, who struck out in his only pinch-hitting attempt of the game.

Stanford alum Miller "earned" his 13th hold by allowing two hits in 1/3rd of an inning. ERA currently 3.50. Stanford grad Beck is on the roster, they're looking for places/times to pitch him.

Miller was hit hard. He has had some great outings and some really bad ones. What will it take for him to become more consistent?

Slater - heading down the home stretch of his career. His go-to has always been pinch hitting v. lefties. Tonight, he fanned in a key point in the game. Now he is barely above the Mendoza line. A good guy - I hope he has a post season moment to remember….

Beck - I’m looking forward to seeing him next spring. I think he will be solid contributor as a long guy/spot starter.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-20-2024

Somewhere out there, Phogge must be wondering how it is possible that Donovan Walton has returned to continue his march towards a career ending sub .150 batting average along with a reminder that asking him to bunt in key situations is like expecting Joe Shipley to throw a strike.

Geez. How much longer do we have to live under the Zaidi regime?

RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 09-20-2024

About a week for zaidi
Joe Shipley “where was that ump”. “Off the screen”

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-22-2024

Giants swept the Royals on the road, winning 2-0 today. Snell pitched six shutout innings, nine strikeouts, he's 5-3. 1.23 ERA since he came back in early July. Giants are 77-79. Ryan Walker got his ninth save. Probably see him as closer next year. I think both Walker and Ty Rogers will have 80+ appearances by end of year.

The game reminded me of the Kansas City World Series in 2014, Giants winning in seven. Bumgarner pitched 21 of the 61 innings in that series. That was a great game 7...Huddy started, gave up both runs early, was out after 1 2/3. Affeldt came in for 2 1/3rd, he actually got the win. Bumgarner threw five full innings in relief, giving up just two hits and no walks.

The Giants were supremely lucky that year. Not only did they win the single wild card game vs. the Pirates, they only had two starting pitchers that won more than nine games in Bumgarner (18-10) and Lincecum (12-9). Tim Hudson (9-13), Ryan Vogelsong (8-13) had rough years. Peavy, Cain and Petit rotated for the fifth spot, starting 39 games, going 13-16. The core four (Affeldt, Romo, Lopes and Casilla) had superb years, but so did Jean Machi (7-1) and George Kontos (4-0).

The 2014 series was interesting. Buster Posey had a terrible series, going 4 for 26. Affeldt pitched in four games...the only other pitcher who appeared in four games was a toxic young pitcher named Hunter Strickland. You may remember that Bryce Harper took Strickland deep several times, and Strickland would hit Harper with a pitch in retaliation...three years later. In the subsequent melee, Michael Morse took a shot to the head that effectively ended his career.

Strickland had the second worst ERA in that 2014 series. The Giants spent five years trying to turn Strickland into a reliever, couldn't do it. He's still pitching. He's so unpopular with his teammates that he has never spent more than a single consecutive year with any other team. He spent 2023 in the minors, then went 3-1 with the Angels this year in 69 appearances. He's played with eight teams in a 10 year career.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 09-22-2024

Mick dateline='[url=tel:1727042775' Wrote: 1727042775[/url]']
Giants swept the Royals on the road, winning 2-0 today. Snell pitched six shutout innings, nine strikeouts, he's 5-3. 1.23 ERA since he came back in early July. Giants are 77-79. Ryan Walker got his ninth save. Probably see him as closer next year. I think both Walker and Ty Rogers will have 80+ appearances by end of year.

The game reminded me of the Kansas City World Series in 2014, Giants winning in seven. Bumgarner pitched 21 of the 61 innings in that series. That was a great game 7...Huddy started, gave up both runs early, was out after 1 2/3. Affeldt came in for 2 1/3rd, he actually got the win. Bumgarner threw five full innings in relief, giving up just two hits and no walks.

The Giants were supremely lucky that year. Not only did they win the single wild card game vs. the Pirates, they only had two starting pitchers that won more than nine games in Bumgarner (18-10) and Lincecum (12-9). Tim Hudson (9-13), Ryan Vogelsong (8-13) had rough years. Peavy, Cain and Petit rotated for the fifth spot, starting 39 games, going 13-16. The core four (Affeldt, Romo, Lopes and Casilla) had superb years, but so did Jean Machi (7-1) and George Kontos (4-0).

The 2014 series was interesting. Buster Posey had a terrible series, going 4 for 26. Affeldt pitched in four games...the only other pitcher who appeared in four games was a toxic young pitcher named Hunter Strickland. You may remember that Bryce Harper took Strickland deep several times, and Strickland would hit Harper with a pitch in retaliation...three years later. In the subsequent melee, Michael Morse took a shot to the head that effectively ended his career.

Strickland had the second worst ERA in that 2014 series. The Giants spent five years trying to turn Strickland into a reliever, couldn't do it. He's still pitching. He's so unpopular with his teammates that he has never spent more than a single consecutive year with any other team. He spent 2023 in the minors, then went 3-1 with the Angels this year in 69 appearances. He's played with eight teams in a 10 year career.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-22-2024

lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1727045094' Wrote: 1727045094[/url]']
[quote="Mick" pid='418461' dateline='1727042775']
Giants swept the Royals on the road, winning 2-0 today. Snell pitched six shutout innings, nine strikeouts, he's 5-3. 1.23 ERA since he came back in early July. Giants are 77-79. Ryan Walker got his ninth save. Probably see him as closer next year. I think both Walker and Ty Rogers will have 80+ appearances by end of year.

The game reminded me of the Kansas City World Series in 2014, Giants winning in seven. Bumgarner pitched 21 of the 61 innings in that series. That was a great game 7...Huddy started, gave up both runs early, was out after 1 2/3. Affeldt came in for 2 1/3rd, he actually got the win. Bumgarner threw five full innings in relief, giving up just two hits and no walks.

The Giants were supremely lucky that year. Not only did they win the single wild card game vs. the Pirates, they only had two starting pitchers that won more than nine games in Bumgarner (18-10) and Lincecum (12-9). Tim Hudson (9-13), Ryan Vogelsong (8-13) had rough years. Peavy, Cain and Petit rotated for the fifth spot, starting 39 games, going 13-16. The core four (Affeldt, Romo, Lopes and Casilla) had superb years, but so did Jean Machi (7-1) and George Kontos (4-0).

The 2014 series was interesting. Buster Posey had a terrible series, going 4 for 26. Affeldt pitched in four games...the only other pitcher who appeared in four games was a toxic young pitcher named Hunter Strickland. You may remember that Bryce Harper took Strickland deep several times, and Strickland would hit Harper with a pitch in retaliation...three years later. In the subsequent melee, Michael Morse took a shot to the head that effectively ended his career.

Strickland had the second worst ERA in that 2014 series. The Giants spent five years trying to turn Strickland into a reliever, couldn't do it. He's still pitching. He's so unpopular with his teammates that he has never spent more than a single consecutive year with any other team. He spent 2023 in the minors, then went 3-1 with the Angels this year in 69 appearances. He's played with eight teams in a 10 year career.

Posey going 4-26 tells only a part. He caught every inning. And that series was about pitching. He was exhausted at the end of that series.

Posey caught every inning of every playoff game during his tenure.

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Yep. Overall, Posey had a very good series. His value extended well beyond what he did at the plate. In the 2014 WS, he was completely in sync with Bumgarner. Calling pitches, framing pitches, keeping MB on track.

No Posey; no ring.

While I watching today’s game and Perez was at bat, my mind flashed back to masterpiece of pitching that resulted in the final out in 2014. Bumgarner went up the ladder and induced a pop up from the Royals catcher. It was textbook baseball.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-23-2024

(09-22-2024, 03:44 PM)lex24 Wrote:
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1727042775' Wrote: 1727042775[/url]']
Giants swept the Royals on the road, winning 2-0 today. Snell pitched six shutout innings, nine strikeouts, he's 5-3. 1.23 ERA since he came back in early July. Giants are 77-79. Ryan Walker got his ninth save. Probably see him as closer next year. I think both Walker and Ty Rogers will have 80+ appearances by end of year.

The game reminded me of the Kansas City World Series in 2014, Giants winning in seven. Bumgarner pitched 21 of the 61 innings in that series. That was a great game 7...Huddy started, gave up both runs early, was out after 1 2/3. Affeldt came in for 2 1/3rd, he actually got the win. Bumgarner threw five full innings in relief, giving up just two hits and no walks.

The Giants were supremely lucky that year. Not only did they win the single wild card game vs. the Pirates, they only had two starting pitchers that won more than nine games in Bumgarner (18-10) and Lincecum (12-9). Tim Hudson (9-13), Ryan Vogelsong (8-13) had rough years. Peavy, Cain and Petit rotated for the fifth spot, starting 39 games, going 13-16. The core four (Affeldt, Romo, Lopes and Casilla) had superb years, but so did Jean Machi (7-1) and George Kontos (4-0).

The 2014 series was interesting. Buster Posey had a terrible series, going 4 for 26. Affeldt pitched in four games...the only other pitcher who appeared in four games was a toxic young pitcher named Hunter Strickland. You may remember that Bryce Harper took Strickland deep several times, and Strickland would hit Harper with a pitch in retaliation...three years later. In the subsequent melee, Michael Morse took a shot to the head that effectively ended his career.

Strickland had the second worst ERA in that 2014 series. The Giants spent five years trying to turn Strickland into a reliever, couldn't do it. He's still pitching. He's so unpopular with his teammates that he has never spent more than a single consecutive year with any other team. He spent 2023 in the minors, then went 3-1 with the Angels this year in 69 appearances. He's played with eight teams in a 10 year career.

Posey going 4-26 tells only a part. He caught every inning. And that series was about pitching. He was exhausted at the end of that series.

Posey caught every inning of every playoff game during his tenure.

I'd throw in hitting and fielding, too. Pence, Sandoval, Belt and Crawford had great series at the plate, as did Arias and Duffy in limited roles. The Giants only had two errors in seven games and gave up no unearned runs. The Giants turned nine double plays in seven games. By way of comparison, the typical team averages slightly more than one error every other game and three DPs every four games. The Giants considerably outperformed both metrics.

If you're referring to the Big Four (Affeldt, Romo, Lopez and Casilla; total ERA 0.00) and Bumgarner (21 IP, 0.43 ERA), I totally agree. Petit, Hudson, Strickland, Machi, Vogey and Peavy had a collective 8.56 ERA and a 1-3 record. Overall the team's ERA was 3.98, a half-run above their 2014 regular season ERA.

I thought Bochy did an incredible job, outmanaging Ned Yost (Royals), Mike Matheny (Cardinals), Matt Williams (Nationals, and winner of Coach of the Year) and Clint Hurdle (Pirates, 2nd in voting for Coach of the Year). Bochy had a really good team, but only Buster and Hunter had MVP votes, finishing sixth and 11th respectively (out of 25).

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-24-2024

Giants are on a nice little win streak, having won six of seven against strong teams (Royals, Diamondbacks and Orioles). They're 78-79. If they go 3-1 in their last four games, they'll have finished by winning nine of 11 and they will have equaled last year's Padres record of 82-80 (only the second time in six years that Farhan's Giants would have a +.500 record). Last year's Padres won 14 of their last 17 games to finish 82-80. What is it with BoMel and these incredible finishes?

BTW, some folks think Farhan should keep his job...

San Francisco Giants ‘Might Save’ Farhan Zaidi’s Job

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-24-2024

Mick dateline='[url=tel:1727195593' Wrote: 1727195593[/url]']
Giants are on a nice little win streak, having won six of seven against strong teams (Royals, Diamondbacks and Orioles). They're 78-79. If they go 3-1 in their last four games, they'll have finished by winning nine of 11 and they will have equaled last year's Padres record of 82-80 (only the second time in six years that Farhan's Giants would have a +.500 record). Last year's Padres won 14 of their last 17 games to finish 82-80. What is it with BoMel and these incredible finishes?

BTW, some folks think Farhan should keep his job...

San Francisco Giants ‘Might Save’ Farhan Zaidi’s Job

I agree that Zaidi will be given a last chance to save his job. Quite frankly, I think it is just kicking the can down the road. Why should anyone have any confidence that he can get things moving in the right direction? To date, he has done nothing to earn that trust.

Heck, if SF wins out, they will have a three year record of 243-243. IMO, that tells us everything we need to know about the Zaidi regime. Mediocrity, thy name is Farhan.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-25-2024

(09-24-2024, 10:16 AM)Giants Wrote:
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1727195593' Wrote: 1727195593[/url]']
Giants are on a nice little win streak, having won six of seven against strong teams (Royals, Diamondbacks and Orioles). They're 78-79. If they go 3-1 in their last four games, they'll have finished by winning nine of 11 and they will have equaled last year's Padres record of 82-80 (only the second time in six years that Farhan's Giants would have a +.500 record). Last year's Padres won 14 of their last 17 games to finish 82-80. What is it with BoMel and these incredible finishes?

BTW, some folks think Farhan should keep his job...

San Francisco Giants ‘Might Save’ Farhan Zaidi’s Job

I agree that Zaidi will be given a last chance to save his job. Quite frankly, I think it is just kicking the can down the road. Why should anyone have any confidence that he can get things moving in the right direction? To date, he has done nothing to earn that trust.

Heck, if SF wins out, they will have a three year record of 243-243. IMO, that tells us everything we need to know about the Zaidi regime. Mediocrity, thy name is Farhan.

I think Farhan will be fired within three days.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Leftcoast - 09-25-2024

I agree with Mick on Zaidi's job prospects. He's gone when the season ends.

Organizations often mirror the guy in charge and at the minor league level SF is no longer seen as a a player friendly organization. My handful of connections are in the farm system (so not comprehensive) and they see erratic moves that jerk around favorite players, dislike the machine like analytics only approach, and chafe about the lack of communication around strategy. The actual players are more circumspect but I know of several families which celebrated when their player was traded.

Maybe the SF front office team feels differently and is happier with Zaidi and his approach. A GM has to make a lot of stakeholders happy so it's no big surprise that one of the stakeholder groups is unhappy. However, this feels like a bad fit. Unless he's treating and communicating with the other stakeholders much differently he hasn't built up the good will to weather this season.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 09-25-2024

I hope you guys are right. However, I have little confidence the ownership group will make the “right” call.

UPDATE: Move me into the Mick/Leftcoast column. After listening to Baggerly on KNBR on the way home this afternoon from SFO, I think we will see a change in leadership. Evidently, there are some Board members who are not happy and want to see someone new at the helm. I am certainly more confident than I was yesterday. We shall see…..

RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 09-28-2024

Giants lost yesterday, dropping them to 79-81. They need to win their last two games to finish 81-81, .500.

Blake Snell has opted not to pitch. He did say that if either the Giants were in the playoff chase or the Giants could play the spoiler, he would pitch.

Happily, that means that Stanford alum Tristan Beck gets the start. Hopefully, it works out, I'd like to see him in the rotation next year.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 09-28-2024

Mick dateline='[url=tel:1727558645' Wrote: 1727558645[/url]']
Giants lost yesterday, dropping them to 79-81. They need to win their last two games to finish 81-81, .500.

Blake Snell has opted not to pitch. He did say that if either the Giants were in the playoff chase or the Giants could play the spoiler, he would pitch.

Happily, that means that Stanford alum Tristan Beck gets the start. Hopefully, it works out, I'd like to see him in the rotation next year.

Good bye and good riddance. Unprofessional. I guess the 104 innings wore him out.

RE: SF Giants 2024 - qwerty49 - 09-28-2024

(09-25-2024, 03:53 PM)Giants Wrote: I hope you guys are right. However, I have little confidence the ownership group will make the “right” call.

UPDATE: Move me into the Mick/Leftcoast column. After listening to Baggerly on KNBR on the way home this afternoon from SFO, I think we will see a change in leadership. Evidently, there are some Board members who are not happy and want to see someone new at the helm. I am certainly more confident than I was yesterday. We shall see…..

I'll probably take flak for this, but I think MLB has its share of "good ol' boy" syndrome, which works every bit as much against Farhan as his record does. The reverse example would be Melvin. I'm honestly hard pressed to see where he adds value, especially with motivating the young players. What is it about 2nd string catchers that makes them managerial candidates?

I do think they both need to go.