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RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 06-14-2023
17 Ks by the Giants pitchers today in the 8-5 win
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 06-14-2023
Biggest win of season, IMO.
Down to last strike, hit game tying HR. Win in 10. Now 4 games over .500 for first time this season. Four game win streak going to play series at Dodgers who have been struggling a bit of late.
Overcame two very poor starting pitcher performances to win and sweep series.
Now 2 games up on Brewers for #3 WC spot and just 1 GB of Marlins for #2.
Can't explain dropping 2/3 at home to Cubs, but they kind of made up for it with St. Louis sweep. Giants have better road record than home record too.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 06-14-2023
First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 06-14-2023
(06-14-2023, 01:30 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Can't explain dropping 2/3 at home to Cubs, but they kind of made up for it with St. Louis sweep. Giants have better road record than home record too.
First road sweep in St. Louis since 1998.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 06-14-2023
(06-14-2023, 01:42 PM)Giants Wrote: First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
Struggling is an understatement. Have to think Marmol is in trouble. Giants have turned the tables a bit on Cards, beat them in ‘12 and ‘14 playoffs.
Since coming to SF, Giants lead series 362-359.
Speaking of NL Central, watch out for the Reds. A lot of good young talent. Elly de La Cruz looks like the next big thing.
(06-14-2023, 01:30 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Biggest win of season, IMO.
Down to last strike, hit game tying HR. Win in 10. Now 4 games over .500 for first time this season. Four game win streak going to play series at Dodgers who have been struggling a bit of late.
Overcame two very poor starting pitcher performances to win and sweep series.
Now 2 games up on Brewers for #3 WC spot and just 1 GB of Marlins for #2.
Can't explain dropping 2/3 at home to Cubs, but they kind of made up for it with St. Louis sweep. Giants have better road record than home record too.
I can explain. Baseball. A’s going for sweep vs Rays. Explain that!!
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 06-14-2023
Get Phogge in on this one: Giants have now had 8 debuts - Sabol, Wisely, Beck, Schmitt, Bailey, Walker, Winn and Matos. Have there ever been that many pre-July debuts since they came to SF?
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 06-14-2023
1958. 11 made their debut
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 06-14-2023
(06-14-2023, 07:04 PM)lex24 Wrote: [quote="Giants" pid='392439' dateline='1686775334']
First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
Any time the Giants beat the Cardinals in the playoffs is A-OK with me...
LAST PITCH of Game. SF Giants Beat Cardinals in Game 7 of Playoffs 10/22/2012
2014 NLCS Gm5: Ishikawa sends Giants to World Series with homer
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 06-15-2023
(06-14-2023, 01:42 PM)Giants Wrote: First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
Two other interesting points...after Yaz's home run heroics, Pederson made the final out, so his spot was due to be the automatic runner on second base to start the 10th inning. Kapler and the coaches were discussing which pitcher should run for the slow-footed Pederson when pitching coach JP Martinez relayed a comment from their assistant coach/bullpen catcher, Brant Whiting (Stanford MSE '14). Whiting, a 30th round pick of the Dodgers who played four years in their system, observed that even though both leagues employ a universal DH now, the automatic runner rule hasn't changed from 2020. When a pitcher occupies the lineup spot that made the final out -- Pederson was DH'ing for the pitcher -- the team can elect to send out the position player who batted one spot earlier...in this case, Yastrzemski, who scored the go-ahead run on a single by Estrada.
After the game, Kapler credited Whiting for the call. "It was a brobdingnagian moment for us. We know good information can get to the dugout from a number of different sources. It's really impressive Brant Whiting was on his game because I don't know if there's a bigger moment in the game than the phone ringing right there. Obviously, Yaz's homer. But that was kind of a big deal."
Second, the Giants are 25-15 since May 2 with a +49 run differential. That's tied for the most wins in MLB and the best run differential in the National League during the past six weeks..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 06-15-2023
(06-14-2023, 07:52 PM)BobK Wrote: 1958. 11 made their debut
Thanks. All before July 1?
(06-15-2023, 06:56 AM)Mick Wrote:(06-14-2023, 01:42 PM)Giants Wrote: First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
Two other interesting points...after Yaz's home run heroics, Pederson made the final out, so his spot was due to be the automatic runner on second base to start the 10th inning. Kapler and the coaches were discussing which pitcher should run for the slow-footed Pederson when pitching coach JP Martinez relayed a comment from their assistant coach/bullpen catcher, Brant Whiting (Stanford MSE '14). Whiting, a 30th round pick of the Dodgers who played four years in their system, observed that even though both leagues employ a universal DH now, the automatic runner rule hasn't changed from 2020. When a pitcher occupies the lineup spot that made the final out -- Pederson was DH'ing for the pitcher -- the team can elect to send out the position player who batted one spot earlier...in this case, Yastrzemski, who scored the go-ahead run on a single by Estrada.
After the game, Kapler credited Whiting for the call. "It was a of immense proportions moment for us. We know good information can get to the dugout from a number of different sources. It's really impressive Brant Whiting was on his game because I don't know if there's a bigger moment in the game than the phone ringing right there. Obviously, Yaz's homer. But that was kind of a big deal."
Second, the Giants are 25-15 since May 2 with a +49 run differential. That's tied for the most wins in MLB and the best run differential in the National League during the past six weeks..
We should know more about this team after next 10: 3 in LA, then home for 4 vs Pads and 3 vs DBacks
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 06-15-2023
(06-15-2023, 07:27 AM)lex24 Wrote:(06-14-2023, 07:52 PM)BobK Wrote: 1958. 11 made their debut
Thanks. All before July 1?
(06-15-2023, 06:56 AM)Mick Wrote:(06-14-2023, 01:42 PM)Giants Wrote: First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
Two other interesting points...after Yaz's home run heroics, Pederson made the final out, so his spot was due to be the automatic runner on second base to start the 10th inning. Kapler and the coaches were discussing which pitcher should run for the slow-footed Pederson when pitching coach JP Martinez relayed a comment from their assistant coach/bullpen catcher, Brant Whiting (Stanford MSE '14). Whiting, a 30th round pick of the Dodgers who played four years in their system, observed that even though both leagues employ a universal DH now, the automatic runner rule hasn't changed from 2020. When a pitcher occupies the lineup spot that made the final out -- Pederson was DH'ing for the pitcher -- the team can elect to send out the position player who batted one spot earlier...in this case, Yastrzemski, who scored the go-ahead run on a single by Estrada.
After the game, Kapler credited Whiting for the call. "It was a of immense proportions moment for us. We know good information can get to the dugout from a number of different sources. It's really impressive Brant Whiting was on his game because I don't know if there's a bigger moment in the game than the phone ringing right there. Obviously, Yaz's homer. But that was kind of a big deal."
Second, the Giants are 25-15 since May 2 with a +49 run differential. That's tied for the most wins in MLB and the best run differential in the National League during the past six weeks..
We should know more about this team after next 10: 3 in LA, then home for 4 vs Pads and 3 vs DBacks
As to when the 11 made their debut I don’t know. Other than Cepeda and Davenport were in the opening day line up
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Leftcoast - 06-15-2023
As several of you predicted, Casey Schmitt has come back to Earth after a terrific start. Over the last 30 games he's batting .173 in 52 at bats with one walk for an OPS of 450. He's walked once in his major league 119 at bats. It certainly looks like pitchers have figured him out and are giving him out of the zone pitches to chase with very little he can square up and drive.
Time for him to adjust his approach - Do we think he can?
Schmitt Last 15 Games:
(June 15, 2023)
AB: 52
R: 5
H: 9
HR: 0
RBI: 6
BB: 1
SO: 13
SB: 0
AVG: .173
OBP: .200
SLG: .250
OPS: .450
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 06-15-2023
(06-15-2023, 09:49 AM)Leftcoast Wrote: As several of you predicted, Casey Schmitt has come back to Earth after a terrific start. Over the last 30 games he's batting .173 in 52 at bats with one walk for an OPS of 450. He's walked once in his major league 119 at bats. It certainly looks like pitchers have figured him out and are giving him out of the zone pitches to chase with very little he can square up and drive.
Time for him to adjust his approach - Do we think he can?
Schmitt Last 15 Games:
(June 15, 2023)
AB: 52
R: 5
H: 9
HR: 0
RBI: 6
BB: 1
SO: 13
SB: 0
AVG: .173
OBP: .200
SLG: .250
OPS: .450
Yes. He has a history of hitting at all levels. But nobody can argue he must become more patient and selective.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - old spanish trail - 06-15-2023
Agree Casey swings at anything close. One thing you can't deny him is that many of his few hits were timely. Plus, he's better on both off and def than Villar and Nicely, so my guess is he sticks around and gets enuf bats as the replacement infielder at least. Meanwhile, while Davis is out I hope he's at 3rd base.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 06-16-2023
Hitting is part science and part art. I will choose to believe Casey Schmitt has a great foundation to be a very good ML hitter because he has shown he can hit to all fields.
My guess is he will get frustrated with his performance, realize the pitchers at the ML level have the ability to control location more, and change his approach.
Here’s a look at Schmitt so far a month into his MLB career:
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/casey-schmitt-669477?stats=statcast-r-zones-mlb
He is 75th percentile in MLB hard hit ball rate and has a .323 BABIP. He just need to find a couple more of his pitches to hit per game, which he can do by being more selective, and he will be what the Giants need him to be.
Of course, I’m not sure if that is everyday 3B or SS. A lot depends on what happens with Luciano.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 06-16-2023
(06-16-2023, 04:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Hitting is part science and part art. I will choose to believe Casey Schmitt has a great foundation to be a very good ML hitter because he has shown he can hit to all fields.
My guess is he will get frustrated with his performance, realize the pitchers at the ML level have the ability to control location more, and change his approach.
Here’s a look at Schmitt so far a month into his MLB career:
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/casey-schmitt-669477?stats=statcast-r-zones-mlb
He is 75th percentile in MLB hard hit ball rate and has a .323 BABIP. He just need to find a couple more of his pitches to hit per game, which he can do by being more selective, and he will be what the Giants need him to be.
Of course, I’m not sure if that is everyday 3B or SS. A lot depends on what happens with Luciano.
Schmitt is, I believe, going to be a solid MLB player for a long time. But he has to improve his pitch selection. He’s walked once in about 110 PAs. His chase rate is the highest in baseball. That has to change. On the positive side, he’s very quick middle in, which is always a key. And he has some pop. He just needs to learn the zone better. Whether he does that at SF or in Sac is the question.
BTW, Luciano is heating up. Big time. OPS over .800. 10 HRs. He has cut down his K’s recently. Hit a 432 foot HR to right center yesterday.
Harrison finally went 5. 83 pitches. Big step.
(06-15-2023, 08:00 AM)BobK Wrote:(06-15-2023, 07:27 AM)lex24 Wrote:(06-14-2023, 07:52 PM)BobK Wrote: 1958. 11 made their debut
Thanks. All before July 1?
(06-15-2023, 06:56 AM)Mick Wrote:(06-14-2023, 01:42 PM)Giants Wrote: First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
Two other interesting points...after Yaz's home run heroics, Pederson made the final out, so his spot was due to be the automatic runner on second base to start the 10th inning. Kapler and the coaches were discussing which pitcher should run for the slow-footed Pederson when pitching coach JP Martinez relayed a comment from their assistant coach/bullpen catcher, Brant Whiting (Stanford MSE '14). Whiting, a 30th round pick of the Dodgers who played four years in their system, observed that even though both leagues employ a universal DH now, the automatic runner rule hasn't changed from 2020. When a pitcher occupies the lineup spot that made the final out -- Pederson was DH'ing for the pitcher -- the team can elect to send out the position player who batted one spot earlier...in this case, Yastrzemski, who scored the go-ahead run on a single by Estrada.
After the game, Kapler credited Whiting for the call. "It was a of immense proportions moment for us. We know good information can get to the dugout from a number of different sources. It's really impressive Brant Whiting was on his game because I don't know if there's a bigger moment in the game than the phone ringing right there. Obviously, Yaz's homer. But that was kind of a big deal."
Second, the Giants are 25-15 since May 2 with a +49 run differential. That's tied for the most wins in MLB and the best run differential in the National League during the past six weeks..
We should know more about this team after next 10: 3 in LA, then home for 4 vs Pads and 3 vs DBacks
As to when the 11 made their debut I don’t know. Other than Cepeda and Davenport were in the opening day line up
Do you know w ho the other 9 are? Curious how many stuck.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 06-16-2023
(06-16-2023, 07:11 AM)lex24 Wrote:(06-16-2023, 04:15 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Hitting is part science and part art. I will choose to believe Casey Schmitt has a great foundation to be a very good ML hitter because he has shown he can hit to all fields.
My guess is he will get frustrated with his performance, realize the pitchers at the ML level have the ability to control location more, and change his approach.
Here’s a look at Schmitt so far a month into his MLB career:
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/casey-schmitt-669477?stats=statcast-r-zones-mlb
He is 75th percentile in MLB hard hit ball rate and has a .323 BABIP. He just need to find a couple more of his pitches to hit per game, which he can do by being more selective, and he will be what the Giants need him to be.
Of course, I’m not sure if that is everyday 3B or SS. A lot depends on what happens with Luciano.
Schmitt is, I believe, going to be a solid MLB player for a long time. But he has to improve his pitch selection. He’s walked once in about 110 PAs. His chase rate is the highest in baseball. That has to change. On the positive side, he’s very quick middle in, which is always a key. And he has some pop. He just needs to learn the zone better. Whether he does that at SF or in Sac is the question.
BTW, Luciano is heating up. Big time. OPS over .800. 10 HRs. He has cut down his K’s recently. Hit a 432 foot HR to right center yesterday.
Harrison finally went 5. 83 pitches. Big step.
(06-15-2023, 08:00 AM)BobK Wrote:(06-15-2023, 07:27 AM)lex24 Wrote:(06-14-2023, 07:52 PM)BobK Wrote: 1958. 11 made their debut
Thanks. All before July 1?
(06-15-2023, 06:56 AM)Mick Wrote:(06-14-2023, 01:42 PM)Giants Wrote: First sweep of St.L on the road in 25 years.
Also, it was the second time this season, SF won when down to their last strike in the ninth. Earlier this season, Sabol hit 2 run HR on a 1-2 pitch v. the Cardinals with the Giants behind 4-3.
St. Louis has been a Giants nemesis for years. It was good to see them go 6-1 v. the Cards even if the Redbirds are struggling.
Two other interesting points...after Yaz's home run heroics, Pederson made the final out, so his spot was due to be the automatic runner on second base to start the 10th inning. Kapler and the coaches were discussing which pitcher should run for the slow-footed Pederson when pitching coach JP Martinez relayed a comment from their assistant coach/bullpen catcher, Brant Whiting (Stanford MSE '14). Whiting, a 30th round pick of the Dodgers who played four years in their system, observed that even though both leagues employ a universal DH now, the automatic runner rule hasn't changed from 2020. When a pitcher occupies the lineup spot that made the final out -- Pederson was DH'ing for the pitcher -- the team can elect to send out the position player who batted one spot earlier...in this case, Yastrzemski, who scored the go-ahead run on a single by Estrada.
After the game, Kapler credited Whiting for the call. "It was a of immense proportions moment for us. We know good information can get to the dugout from a number of different sources. It's really impressive Brant Whiting was on his game because I don't know if there's a bigger moment in the game than the phone ringing right there. Obviously, Yaz's homer. But that was kind of a big deal."
Second, the Giants are 25-15 since May 2 with a +49 run differential. That's tied for the most wins in MLB and the best run differential in the National League during the past six weeks..
We should know more about this team after next 10: 3 in LA, then home for 4 vs Pads and 3 vs DBacks
As to when the 11 made their debut I don’t know. Other than Cepeda and Davenport were in the opening day line up
Do you know w ho the other 9 are? Curious how many stuck.
NEar as I can tell, apart from Davenport and Cepeda, it was Felipe Alou, Willie Kirkland, John Fitzgerald, Bob Schmidt, Joe Shipley, Don Taussig, Nick Testa, Leon Wagner and Dom Zanni.
Davenport (13 yrs in bigs, 1 all star team) & Cepeda (17 years in bigs, 7 all star teams) started, so did Kirkland (9 year career, 3 w/giants) who started 112 games in RF. Schmidt started 123 games behind the plate. He was an All Star as a rookie, and he played 7 years in the bigs, but after his three years with the Giants, he was traded to Cincy.
The others were role players. Felipe Alou (17 year career, 3 all star games) played 75 games, 28 in LF, 3 in CF and 44 in RF, the others as PH/PR. Leon Wagner (12 year career, 2 all star teams, just first two seasons with Giants) played 74 games with 56 starts at 3B. Taussig played 39 games, mainly in LF, and had 10 starts. He played one more year for ST. Lou and one year for Houston.
Fitzgerald, Shipley, Testa and Zanni only played one game apiece. Shipley pitched for three years, was ineffective. Zanni played for the Giants for three years, but was a last-guy-off-the-bench reliever. Testa and Fitzgerald only played the one game. Testa had a 14 year minor league career and just the one game for SFG at age 30. He played one inning at catcher, had one chance and made one error. He ultimately became the Yankees' batting practice coach for five of their WS teams.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 06-16-2023
Late last season and throughout the early part of this season, Luciano experienced significant back issues. Based on his recent results, it appears he may finally be getting past that problem. As we have seen with Matos, it is all about being able to play without nagging pain.
As long as he doesn’t have a relapse, I think we can look forward to seeing Luciano in SF next year. The question is: at what position, SS or OF?
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - OutsiderFan - 06-17-2023
What a win in LA Friday night! Those two teams sure do play some crazy games. Giants are now somehow just 1.5 GB of the Dodgers and the #1 WC spot. But, the fact is the Phillies and Reds are also 8-2 in their last 10 as the Giants, and right on their heels.
Very interesting story by Grant Brisbee about the Giants' bullpen use that you really shouldn't miss:
https://theathletic.com/4613709/2023/06/16/giants-bullpen-usage/
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 06-17-2023
(06-16-2023, 08:52 AM)Giants Wrote: Late last season and throughout the early part of this season, Luciano experienced significant back issues. Based on his recent results, it appears he may finally be getting past that problem. As we have seen with Matos, it is all about being able to play without nagging pain.
As long as he doesn’t have a relapse, I think we can look forward to seeing Luciano in SF next year. The question is: at what position, SS or OF?
My guess is OF. Everything I’ve read suggests he’s not a plus defensive SS. Schmitt and Fitzgerald are long term SS possibilities. Arteaga is very young, but supposedly a defensive stalwart.
In any event, the Core is coming. Faster than believed. My 78 is going to be way short. If the Giants can solidify their rotation (I read Brisbees article in the Athletic but still believe they need 4 starters and only 1 bullpen out of 5) they can make a run. Wood will be back. If he’s close to ‘21 version he will be a nice add.
There is no dominant NL team. I’m just hoping Dodgers don’t grab Ohtani at deadline. .