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RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - martyup - 04-08-2023
With the state of football, MBB, and now WBB, it makes you wonder if the bureaucrats at Stanford, sucking the fun out of the Stanford experience, is causing this mass exodus via transfer portals.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - old spanish trail - 04-08-2023
(04-08-2023, 05:07 PM)martyup Wrote: With the state of football, MBB, and now WBB, it makes you wonder if the bureaucrats at Stanford, sucking the fun out of the Stanford experience, is causing this mass exodus via transfer portals.
Yes it does.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - BillBradley - 04-08-2023
Haha, what a troll. Astonishing I would say business opportunities matter to Betts when she has this front and center on her Instagram!
Business inquiries: teambetts@excelsm.com.
Pretty sure "Team Betts" has the mighty dollar front and center in this decision. They'd be foolish not to. She's the type of player who can really write her ticket at most places. Best of luck, but not good riddance. I was a fan.
When you're a McD's All American and your peers are making bank and you're not...it's reason enough to leave and go somewhere else. Sure, it's not the only factor, but I do think it's a big factor. Didn't used to be this way, but it is now. Best to get used to it. I don't like it either.
To pile on talking about Tara's mistakes, this was a whopper:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/legendary-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-takes-issue-how-popular-gymnast-olivia-dunne-earns-nil-deals
She should have backed Olivia Dunne, told all her players that she was 100 percent behind them and if anyone needed her help building their brand to just let her know. She should have said, "more power to these young women and I am working with our administration to get behind NIL opportunities for all our women basketball players". She should have used it as an opportunity to praise Cam about all her mental health outreach and plugged Haley's podcasts in support of her future broadcasting career. Instead, she acted like a grandma, dissed Dunne, and sent the message to Cam, Haley, and everyone else on the team that they should keep they clothes on and she could really care less about their money making endeavors. If that's how she talked to the players all year long, then yes, she really messed up. It will be really interesting to see where Betts and Nivar land and what NIL deals they have after 3 years.
For those interested in the NIL landscape, I also found this to be pretty informative: https://sponsorunited.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2022-23-NIL-Marketing-Partnerships-Report-1.pdf
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - oldalum - 04-08-2023
(04-08-2023, 05:41 PM)BillBradley Wrote: To pile on talking about Tara's mistakes, this was a whopper:Tara and Haley were quoted in November 2022 NY Times article on "New Endorsements for College Athletes Resurface an Old Concern: Sex Sells"
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/legendary-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-takes-issue-how-popular-gymnast-olivia-dunne-earns-nil-deals
She should have used it as an opportunity to praise Cam about all her mental health outreach and plugged Haley's podcasts in support of her future broadcasting career. Instead, she acted like a grandma, dissed Dunne, and sent the message to Cam, Haley, and everyone else on the team that they should keep they clothes on and she could really care less about their money making endeavors. If that's how she talked to the players all year long, then yes, she really messed up.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - cardfan1996 - 04-08-2023
(04-08-2023, 05:41 PM)BillBradley Wrote: Haha, what a troll. Astonishing I would say business opportunities matter to Betts when she has this front and center on her Instagram!
Business inquiries: teambetts@excelsm.com.
Pretty sure "Team Betts" has the mighty dollar front and center in this decision. They'd be foolish not to. She's the type of player who can really write her ticket at most places. Best of luck, but not good riddance. I was a fan.
When you're a McD's All American and your peers are making bank and you're not...it's reason enough to leave and go somewhere else. Sure, it's not the only factor, but I do think it's a big factor. Didn't used to be this way, but it is now. Best to get used to it. I don't like it either.
To pile on talking about Tara's mistakes, this was a whopper:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/legendary-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-takes-issue-how-popular-gymnast-olivia-dunne-earns-nil-deals
She should have backed Olivia Dunne, told all her players that she was 100 percent behind them and if anyone needed her help building their brand to just let her know. She should have said, "more power to these young women and I am working with our administration to get behind NIL opportunities for all our women basketball players". She should have used it as an opportunity to praise Cam about all her mental health outreach and plugged Haley's podcasts in support of her future broadcasting career. Instead, she acted like a grandma, dissed Dunne, and sent the message to Cam, Haley, and everyone else on the team that they should keep they clothes on and she could really care less about their money making endeavors. If that's how she talked to the players all year long, then yes, she really messed up. It will be really interesting to see where Betts and Nivar land and what NIL deals they have after 3 years.
For those interested in the NIL landscape, I also found this to be pretty informative: https://sponsorunited.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2022-23-NIL-Marketing-Partnerships-Report-1.pdf
Far be it of me to defend Tara, but according to Tara (via Brink) this was taken out of context. Where did I hear this? Brink defending her in this podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/off-the-looking-glass/id1592584251?i=1000604328638
Anyway, I still think Tara is out of touch and her and Muir have been too slow to adapt to pretty much everything. It is moving fast like technology but Stanford is synonymous with Silicon Valley and fast moving technology. This is not the Stanford way IMO.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - Softball Fan - 04-08-2023
(04-08-2023, 05:41 PM)BillBradley Wrote: Haha, what a troll. Astonishing I would say business opportunities matter to Betts when she has this front and center on her Instagram!
Business inquiries: teambetts@excelsm.com.
Pretty sure "Team Betts" has the mighty dollar front and center in this decision.
Just because Betts has a business inquiry email on instagram, it doesn't mean her focus was on making money while attending classes at Stanford. If Betts was looking for big NIL she would not have chosen Stanford. I'm sure coaches recruiting her talked about the kind of NIL she might get at their school. Tara doesn't even seem to be interested in NIL.
I don't know him/her, but I suspect the person you call a troll knows more about the reasons for Betts transferring than any poster on this board. I tend to believe him when he says it wasn't so much about big money, but more a general unhappiness about how the season went for her.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - BillBradley - 04-08-2023
(04-08-2023, 07:01 PM)cardfan1996 Wrote:I listened to that segment about the Olivia Dunne article and didn't hear Cam defending her or say anything about it being taken out of context at all. Even if she did, Tara had the opportunity to get behind NIL in the NYT but obviously didn't do that. She's not up for this type of fight. As you say, slow to adapt.(04-08-2023, 05:41 PM)BillBradley Wrote: Haha, what a troll. Astonishing I would say business opportunities matter to Betts when she has this front and center on her Instagram!
Business inquiries: teambetts@excelsm.com.
Pretty sure "Team Betts" has the mighty dollar front and center in this decision. They'd be foolish not to. She's the type of player who can really write her ticket at most places. Best of luck, but not good riddance. I was a fan.
When you're a McD's All American and your peers are making bank and you're not...it's reason enough to leave and go somewhere else. Sure, it's not the only factor, but I do think it's a big factor. Didn't used to be this way, but it is now. Best to get used to it. I don't like it either.
To pile on talking about Tara's mistakes, this was a whopper:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/legendary-basketball-coach-tara-vanderveer-takes-issue-how-popular-gymnast-olivia-dunne-earns-nil-deals
She should have backed Olivia Dunne, told all her players that she was 100 percent behind them and if anyone needed her help building their brand to just let her know. She should have said, "more power to these young women and I am working with our administration to get behind NIL opportunities for all our women basketball players". She should have used it as an opportunity to praise Cam about all her mental health outreach and plugged Haley's podcasts in support of her future broadcasting career. Instead, she acted like a grandma, dissed Dunne, and sent the message to Cam, Haley, and everyone else on the team that they should keep they clothes on and she could really care less about their money making endeavors. If that's how she talked to the players all year long, then yes, she really messed up. It will be really interesting to see where Betts and Nivar land and what NIL deals they have after 3 years.
For those interested in the NIL landscape, I also found this to be pretty informative: https://sponsorunited.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2022-23-NIL-Marketing-Partnerships-Report-1.pdf
Far be it of me to defend Tara, but according to Tara (via Brink) this was taken out of context. Where did I hear this? Brink defending her in this podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/off-the-looking-glass/id1592584251?i=1000604328638
Anyway, I still think Tara is out of touch and her and Muir have been too slow to adapt to pretty much everything. It is moving fast like technology but Stanford is synonymous with Silicon Valley and fast moving technology. This is not the Stanford way IMO.
(04-08-2023, 07:22 PM)Softball Fan Wrote:Remember, Betts committed in Jan 2021, before NIL deals were even legalized for college players. During her recruitment coaches weren't at all talking about the kind of NIL she might get at their school. Things are way different now than they were even 6 months ago.(04-08-2023, 05:41 PM)BillBradley Wrote: Haha, what a troll. Astonishing I would say business opportunities matter to Betts when she has this front and center on her Instagram!
Business inquiries: teambetts@excelsm.com.
Pretty sure "Team Betts" has the mighty dollar front and center in this decision.
Just because Betts has a business inquiry email on instagram, it doesn't mean her focus was on making money while attending classes at Stanford. If Betts was looking for big NIL she would not have chosen Stanford. I'm sure coaches recruiting her talked about the kind of NIL she might get at their school. Tara doesn't even seem to be interested in NIL.
I don't know him/her, but I suspect the person you call a troll knows more about the reasons for Betts transferring than any poster on this board. I tend to believe him when he says it wasn't so much about big money, but more a general unhappiness about how the season went for her.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - Card10Fan - 04-08-2023
(04-07-2023, 11:57 AM)stopandpop Wrote: At the Banquet last evening we learned that Indiana and Duke will be on our 2023 non-conference (home) schedule.
Glad we scheduled this home and home with Duke so Indya would have a home game in her home state when we return there in 2024. Clearly, that worked out well. Sigh..
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - joemontes - 04-10-2023
With this impending transfer of BETTS, NIVAR and EMMA-NNOPU,
this is how I see the remaining players fitting in:
Starting 5:
********
PF - IRIAFEN 6'3 (McD, #19 Class of 2021)
PF - BRINK 6'4 (All-American, McD, #3 Class of 2020)
SG - JUMP 6'0 (#50 Class of 2019)
SG - BOSGANA 6'2
PG - LEPOLO 5'7 (#71 Class of 2022)
Reserves:
********
SF - OGDEN 6'1 (McD, #10 Class of 2023)
SF/PF -DEMETRE 6'3 (McD, #11 Class of 2021)
PF - AGARA 6'2 (#37 Class of 2023)
SG - PAPADAKI 5'11
PG - HARRIEL 5'10 (#78 Class of 2021)
PG/SG - CLARDY 5'9 (#39 Class of 2023)
Well, not too bad at all. Not a Top 10 team nationally, but could still be
a Top 25 team nationally and a Top 3 team in the PAC 12.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - Jskass - 04-10-2023
also glass half full view of that lineup is that next year's transfer portal hopefully much less of a factor as players will get enough action for satisfaction and growth (esp. Iriafen, Demetre, Bosgana and the freshmen too). This assumes that PT was a major factor.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - BobK - 04-10-2023
In the two NCAA games Nivar averaged about 20 minutes. Nope it’s not playing time
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - stanford22 - 04-10-2023
(04-10-2023, 07:34 AM)BobK Wrote: In the two NCAA games Nivar averaged about 20 minutes. Nope it’s not playing timeWhy do you think these players are transferring if it’s not playing time?
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - BobK - 04-10-2023
A subscription to Rivals helps The Farm forum would help. They have reasons.
Not the end all but it gets into the turmoil
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - Card10Fan - 04-10-2023
(04-10-2023, 08:29 AM)BobK Wrote: A subscription to Rivals helps The Farm forum would help. They have reasons.
Not the end all but it gets into the turmoil
Anyone who’s a member care to share some context for the rest of us?
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - BobK - 04-10-2023
Rivals is a paid site. The mod is paid to write and investigate. We cannot post the paid content
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - petersalas - 04-10-2023
What turmoil? I want the transfer news to be it! 3 is too much, and hope there’s no more.
(04-10-2023, 08:29 AM)BobK Wrote: A subscription to Rivals helps The Farm forum would help. They have reasons.
Not the end all but it gets into the turmoil
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - stopandpop - 04-12-2023
(04-10-2023, 04:28 AM)joemontes Wrote: With this impending transfer of BETTS, NIVAR and EMMA-NNOPU,
this is how I see the remaining players fitting in:
Starting 5:
********
PF - IRIAFEN 6'3 (McD, #19 Class of 2021)
PF - BRINK 6'4 (All-American, McD, #3 Class of 2020)
SG - JUMP 6'0 (#50 Class of 2019)
SG - BOSGANA 6'2
PG - LEPOLO 5'7 (#71 Class of 2022)
Reserves:
********
SF - OGDEN 6'1 (McD, #10 Class of 2023)
SF/PF -DEMETRE 6'3 (McD, #11 Class of 2021)
PF - AGARA 6'2 (#37 Class of 2023)
SG - PAPADAKI 5'11
PG - HARRIEL 5'10 (#78 Class of 2021)
PG/SG - CLARDY 5'9 (#39 Class of 2023)
Well, not too bad at all. Not a Top 10 team nationally, but could still be
a Top 25 team nationally and a Top 3 team in the PAC 12.
Looking ahead and a strong possibility that no transfers will be coming in, I agree this is the starting lineup for 2023-2024. Have always thought Bosgana could develop into a strong, physical shooting guard who can defend well and if she indeed starts, we should see her confidence grow and her unique skill sets on display. Bosgana can hit the 3, drive, absorb contact and score. She makes us a stronger starting team than last season. On the downside, I don't see anyone who can replace Iriafen and/or Brink in the post. Demetre a 4 at best.
Wondering if Tara might play more zone when Kiki and Cam are on the bench.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - joemontes - 04-12-2023
(04-12-2023, 08:05 PM)stopandpop Wrote:Definitely thin at the post, since DEMETRE although 6'3 is more of a stretch forward(04-10-2023, 04:28 AM)joemontes Wrote: With this impending transfer of BETTS, NIVAR and EMMA-NNOPU,
this is how I see the remaining players fitting in:
Starting 5:
********
PF - IRIAFEN 6'3 (McD, #19 Class of 2021)
PF - BRINK 6'4 (All-American, McD, #3 Class of 2020)
SG - JUMP 6'0 (#50 Class of 2019)
SG - BOSGANA 6'2
PG - LEPOLO 5'7 (#71 Class of 2022)
Reserves:
********
SF - OGDEN 6'1 (McD, #10 Class of 2023)
SF/PF -DEMETRE 6'3 (McD, #11 Class of 2021)
PF - AGARA 6'2 (#37 Class of 2023)
SG - PAPADAKI 5'11
PG - HARRIEL 5'10 (#78 Class of 2021)
PG/SG - CLARDY 5'9 (#39 Class of 2023)
Well, not too bad at all. Not a Top 10 team nationally, but could still be
a Top 25 team nationally and a Top 3 team in the PAC 12.
Looking ahead and a strong possibility that no transfers will be coming in, I agree this is the starting lineup for 2023-2024. Have always thought Bosgana could develop into a strong, physical shooting guard who can defend well and if she indeed starts, we should see her confidence grow and her unique skill sets on display. Bosgana can hit the 3, drive, absorb contact and score. She makes us a stronger starting team than last season. On the downside, I don't see anyone who can replace Iriafen and/or Brink in the post. Demetre a 4 at best.
Wondering if Tara might play more zone when Kiki and Cam are on the bench.
SF/PF while incoming freshman AGARA is a transplanted PF who used to be a SG
because of a sudden growth spurt from 5'11 to 6'2 between her HS sophomore
and HS junior years.
Scratching my head now since BETTS will have really seen a major increase
in minutes if she stays, since it will have been an awesome 3-player rotation
at PF and C among BRINK, IRIAFEN and BETTS, so most likely
70 to 80 minutes/game shared among the three of them. Sigh!
On the other hand, I see this coming season as the breakout year
for BOSGANA if given the chance because she definitely has the tools
as a two-way player on offense and at 6'2 the length to disrupt passing lanes
on defense.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - stopandpop - 04-13-2023
(04-10-2023, 07:55 AM)stanford22 Wrote:(04-10-2023, 07:34 AM)BobK Wrote: In the two NCAA games Nivar averaged about 20 minutes. Nope it’s not playing timeWhy do you think these players are transferring if it’s not playing time?
I think for Nivar, she may not have been comfortable and not able to utilize all her skills in the offensive system, but I have no source to suggest that indeed is the case the reason. Just speculating.
Quick comment on Betts seeking another team. It may be a long-shot, but don't count out Oregon State who lost 6'9 Mitrovic to play professionally in Europe.
Other teams with championship potential may appeal to Betts, but I cannot think of another team (nationally) that has a better track record of developing big posts than the Beavs.
Scott Rueck's offensive system does a great job of teaching their posts the art of good positioning and sealing defenders and (for guards, wings and forwards), getting the ball into their posts in timely fashion.
Still think it's a long shot, but in this wacky portal world, you never know.
RE: WBB 2023-2024 Season - stopandpop - 04-13-2023
"Yes it's hard to get transfer, but not impossible." (Bob K.)
Watched game footage of Maty Wilke and Kayla Padilla, both in the portal. As stated before, Wilke lists Stanford among her top 5 and Padilla (a So Cal native) wants to play out west. Wilke has a nice shot, but is a bit one-dimensional. Padilla the real deal; can create and score from multiple positions. If accepted academically and offered a grad scholarship, Kayla Padilla would fix a lot of problems for us.
Kayla Padilla video highlights - Bing video