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RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - CardinalSagehen - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 04:39 PM)JustAnotherFan Wrote:(09-24-2020, 04:11 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: First game will be Nov. 6, so I guess they will be playing Friday nights.
A seven game schedule so season ends Dec. 18. Clearly, the driving force behind the hurry up and play and only play 7 games is for the College Football Playoff, and beyond that, the Rose Bowl.
Why the hell not play more conference games, not rush back, forget the playoff and Rose Bowl for a year?
I agree. Rushing to try to make the CFP is a joke knowing that they're not going to give a spot to the Pac-12 anyway.
It's not even necessarily about winning a spot in the Playoff. It's about getting a share of the revenue. Most of the CFP revenue is not contingent on having a representative in the Playoff. The overall pie will likely be smaller than last year, but here was last year's rough distribution: https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2017/9/20/revenue-distribution.aspx
The five P5 conferences each received a base amount of ~$66M last year. Semifinals were worth $6M, while non-playoff NY6 bowls were worth $4M; that's not a massive difference.
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - 82lsju - 09-24-2020
from MTL
Quote:For Stanford, Santa Clara County guidance does not currently allow us to begin athletic contact practices or competition. We are having constructive discussions with Santa Clara County right now about the health and safety protocols that are needed to resume athletics. We deeply respect the thoughtful decision-making our county has undertaken to protect public health throughout the coronavirus pandemic, and we have a shared goal of providing for the safety of our community. We look forward to continued discussion in the coming days that, we hope, will lead to the approval of athletic competition under rigorous health and safety standards.
https://president.stanford.edu/2020/09/24/update-on-pac-12-athletics/
Quote:the Pac-12 CEO Group approved a Nov. 25 start date for the men's basketball and women's basketball seasons,
The revised football schedule features a six-game conference season, with three home games and three road games. The Pac-12 Football Championship Game is scheduled to be played either Dec. 18 or 19.
https://gostanford.com/news/2020/9/24/athletics-pac-12-announces-competition-to-resume.aspx
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - BobK - 09-24-2020
Despite the letter I believe it’s a 7 game schedule with all teams playing Dec 18/19
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - 82lsju - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 05:50 PM)BobK Wrote: Despite the letter I believe it’s a 7 game schedule with all teams playing Dec 18/19
could be the Pac-12 says
Quote:In the sport of football, Pac-12 universities with the necessary public health approvals may commence practice immediately with a seven game Conference-only season to begin on November 6, and the Pac-12 Championship Game on December 18, enabling Pac-12 teams to be considered for selection by the CFP. The football schedule will be released in the coming days.
https://pac-12.com/article/2020/09/24/pac-12-announcement
if seven games do we get five vs the North and USC and UCLA?
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - BostonCard - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 05:52 PM)82lsju Wrote: if seven games do we get five vs the North and USC and UCLA?
That makes a lot of sense, so it won't happen.
BC
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - slide - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 01:38 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote: Here's the latest.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1309189615220224000?s=20[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1309196055397818368?s=20[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1309205214793068544?s=20[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1309217891217149952?s=20[/tweet]
Say what you will about Jon Wilner - I know many of us have felt at times that his observations on Stanford Football are less well informed than our own. But this type of story is precisely in his wheelhouse, and his reporting has been prolific, timely and reliable so far.
R.J. Abeytia has been pretty much the opposite - he seems likable, and I trust his takes on Stanford Football. It's clear that he watches every down. But his reporting around this particular story has been speculative, sensationalist and unreliable.
I suppose the final test will be today around 5PM.
is this really necessary? does RJ even post here? I read his tweets and wouldn't term his posts as you did.
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - SamuelMcF - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 05:52 PM)82lsju Wrote:(09-24-2020, 05:50 PM)BobK Wrote: Despite the letter I believe it’s a 7 game schedule with all teams playing Dec 18/19
could be the Pac-12 says
Quote:In the sport of football, Pac-12 universities with the necessary public health approvals may commence practice immediately with a seven game Conference-only season to begin on November 6, and the Pac-12 Championship Game on December 18, enabling Pac-12 teams to be considered for selection by the CFP. The football schedule will be released in the coming days.
https://pac-12.com/article/2020/09/24/pac-12-announcement
if seven games do we get five vs the North and USC and UCLA?
7 games = 6 games + a "championship week" where equal seeds from North and South will play each other. So it looks like we'll get only one of the SoCal schools guaranteed. I know my vote.
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - BostonCard - 09-24-2020
Message from the President:
https://president.stanford.edu/2020/09/24/update-on-pac-12-athletics/
Quote:Second, I want to acknowledge the complexity of the issues involved with resuming athletic activities. Over the last several days I have had conversations about these issues with a range of students, faculty, staff and alumni. Two general sets of questions emerged: Is resuming competition in the interest of our students’ health and safety, and the safety of our broader community? And, is it appropriate given the activities that are available to other groups of people at Stanford? I have been reflecting deeply on these questions.
...
Quote:In our Pac-12 CEO Group meeting today, there was agreement that the new medical advice permitted either a fall or a winter season.
As far as I know, the medical facts have not changed.
BC
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - winflop - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 05:52 PM)82lsju Wrote:(09-24-2020, 05:50 PM)BobK Wrote: Despite the letter I believe it’s a 7 game schedule with all teams playing Dec 18/19
could be the Pac-12 says
Quote:In the sport of football, Pac-12 universities with the necessary public health approvals may commence practice immediately with a seven game Conference-only season to begin on November 6, and the Pac-12 Championship Game on December 18, enabling Pac-12 teams to be considered for selection by the CFP. The football schedule will be released in the coming days.
https://pac-12.com/article/2020/09/24/pac-12-announcement
if seven games do we get five vs the North and USC and UCLA?
My understanding is the regular season is six games - five in division and one random South opponent. All teams will have a seventh game the weekend of the conference championship. My guess is 2nd vs 2nd, 3rd vs 3rd, etc
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - Giants - 09-24-2020
(09-24-2020, 08:55 PM)winflop Wrote:(09-24-2020, 05:52 PM)82lsju Wrote:(09-24-2020, 05:50 PM)BobK Wrote: Despite the letter I believe it’s a 7 game schedule with all teams playing Dec 18/19
could be the Pac-12 says
Quote:In the sport of football, Pac-12 universities with the necessary public health approvals may commence practice immediately with a seven game Conference-only season to begin on November 6, and the Pac-12 Championship Game on December 18, enabling Pac-12 teams to be considered for selection by the CFP. The football schedule will be released in the coming days.
https://pac-12.com/article/2020/09/24/pac-12-announcement
if seven games do we get five vs the North and USC and UCLA?
My understanding is the regular season is six games - five in division and one random South opponent. All teams will have a seventh game the weekend of the conference championship. My guess is 2nd vs 2nd, 3rd vs 3rd, etc
Prediction:Stanford will play UCLA in the inter-divisional game. Why? Because Stanford needs a home game to balance the schedule at 3 home 3 away and UCLA was originally scheduled to visit Stanford this year.
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - akiddoc - 09-25-2020
(09-21-2020, 11:04 AM)Papa John Wrote: If the criterion for on-campus sports activites is the resumption of in-person instruction for the general undergraduate student population, then Stanford should cancel immediately all sports for 2020-21 and the NCAA should allow student-athletes who wish to transfer immediate eligibility. Anything less is unfair to the athletes, IMO, because the likelihood of students returning en masse to campus is very low.
However, I, for one, do not agree with that criterion. I think that the University should resume any and all regular activities as it is safe to do so. It's not safe to resume a lot of in-person instruction--although some graduate student courses have in-person elements. However, research is ramping up, because it is possible--with some effort, of course--to manage safely a small cohort of laboratoy personnel. This is what is happening at the University at which I work.
From the accounts that I have read, it looks like it is now possible to manage athletics cohorts in a safe manner for the players, coaches and support staff. I don't know if the Pac-12 is considering any other fall sports for return-to-play other than football and basketball, but I hope that Stanford participates in full as long as it is reasonably safe.
No in-person graduate student instruction this fall. My daughter's boyfriend is a grad student at Stanford and he is in the new graduate student housing. All of his classes are Zoom classes. (And her Stanford job is all Zoom, email and other electronic avenues.) He isn't allowed to go to the lab.
(09-21-2020, 09:02 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-21-2020, 08:16 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote:(09-21-2020, 11:28 AM)BostonCard Wrote: But I think that what makes football "safe enough" is the extraordinary expenditure of resources to test players.
I totally understand what you mean - the priorities are messed up. But this economic argument strikes me as faulty. I’m pretty sure the “extraordinary expenditure” for daily tests to enable football has an extremely high return on investment vs. the alternative of not playing. And the return is much more positive than other activities that could be restarted with some investment.
There are estimates that the hit to students' education will cost on the order of $60 - $80K per student in terms of lifetime earnings. That's for K-12 students, so maybe a bit less for Stanford students (or maybe more, since if it is a fixed proportion of earnings, it might affect high earners more). Moreover without Stanford having on campus activities, there is always the possibility that the next Unicorn that would have been hatched amongst a group of friends late one night in a dorm common room won't get to see the light of day, costing the economy billions.
Yes, the short term return is much greater for football, but it is ultimately a game, and it leaves very little lasting value (with all apologies to Phogge's film vault, or is it tape).
BC
I don't buy that at all. Kids are really resilient. And many countries don't even try to get their kindergarteners to do anything but play. Yet those kids pass ours eventually by learning at a faster rate.
Most kids will catch up if they get back to full time in a year.
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - Mick - 09-25-2020
(09-25-2020, 12:05 AM)akiddoc Wrote:(09-21-2020, 11:04 AM)Papa John Wrote: There are estimates that the hit to students' education will cost on the order of $60 - $80K per student in terms of lifetime earnings. That's for K-12 students, so maybe a bit less for Stanford students (or maybe more, since if it is a fixed proportion of earnings, it might affect high earners more). Moreover without Stanford having on campus activities, there is always the possibility that the next Unicorn that would have been hatched amongst a group of friends late one night in a dorm common room won't get to see the light of day, costing the economy billions.https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2020/05/27/the-impact-of-covid-19-on-student-achievement-and-what-it-may-mean-for-educators/
Yes, the short term return is much greater for football, but it is ultimately a game, and it leaves very little lasting value (with all apologies to Phogge's film vault, or is it tape).
BC
I don't buy that at all. Kids are really resilient. And many countries don't even try to get their kindergarteners to do anything but play. Yet those kids pass ours eventually by learning at a faster rate.
Most kids will catch up if they get back to full time in a year.
I doubt it. Educationally speaking, I think our kids are in serious, serious trouble.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2020/05/27/the-impact-of-covid-19-on-student-achievement-and-what-it-may-mean-for-educators/
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - BostonCard - 09-25-2020
My kids' personal experience:
Oldest (son), sophomore in high school, will do fine. The biggest impact of the lockdown was on the social aspect, not the educational ones. And while the second semester of his freshman year was a bit of a wash, he can adjust for it. It helps that all his teachers are younger millennials, who can manage the technology relatively well.
Middle (daughter), 8th grader, will also do fine. She is very much an introvert and actually prefers the format. I think she would benefit from being forced into more social situations, but that will come with time. However, the school took an abbreviated schedule with less instruction time (because they were originally going to try to make a hybrid system), and so a lot of the learning is on her own. Thankfully, she is the most diligent of my three kids.
Youngest (daughter), 3rd grader... it's been a disaster. She is in a Spanish immersion program, which is challenging enough when you are trying to learn two languages in a face-to-face environment, let alone online. Her teacher is nice, but communication has been abysmal. As in my daughter has no idea what she is supposed to be doing in class, let alone at home. And it's not just us, other parents have come to my wife asking her what's going on. And she has both of us working at home and able to check in on her.
I can't imagine what it would be like for a working class, non-English speaking family where parents are essential workers.
BC
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - Papa John - 09-25-2020
My son is in eighth grade, and I've mentioned elsewhere that the last 2 1/2 months of 7th grade were a disaster. Only two of his six teachers actually taught--the others assigned projects and check in once a week. Much better online teaching this year, although still not as good as in-person. The big issue for him is social interaction, but he is doing the pod-based education where he goes to a friend's house two days a week and the friend come to our house one day a week; still socially distanced with masks, but time for interaction during breaks and lunch. Also, his PE instructor tells them to exercise 30 minutes during class, so he goes on bike rides with his friends during that time.
As BC alluded, the big issue is with the K-6 students. Here in Santa Barbara County, a few private elementary schools have been given permission to reopen, and the pressure will be on the public schools to at least go to a hybrid model when we move from purple to red tier as early as next week.
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - BostonCard - 10-01-2020
[tweet]https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1311793679720312832?s=20[/tweet]
Translation: We don't want to be the ones blamed for there not being a Pac-12 football season.
BC
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - BobK - 10-01-2020
Schedule is due out this Saturday
SJS released their schedule today
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - CardinalSagehen - 10-01-2020
(10-01-2020, 04:52 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Translation: We don't want to be the ones blamed for there not being a Pac-12 football season.
BC
Nope, we get to take them literally this time, for once! Below is the other news from this morning. I imagine it's just down to the county health departments falling in-line with today's revised CA guidance, which seems like a slam dunk now.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/keelyismyname/status/1311701754044575744?s=20[/tweet]
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - dabigv13 - 10-01-2020
California overall numbers for tests and hospitalizations seems pretty good. This should be safe with the daily testing. Still a clear sign of what matters, when the same measures aren't put forth to make in person learning happen. $$$$$
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - CardinalSagehen - 10-01-2020
(10-01-2020, 07:39 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: California overall numbers for tests and hospitalizations seems pretty good. This should be safe with the daily testing. Still a clear sign of what matters, when the same measures aren't put forth to make in person learning happen. $$$$$
The Palo Alto School Board voted on Tuesday to send K-5 kids back to school starting Oct. 26. But it is a hybrid schedule whereby kids go to school 2.5 days/week, and the rest of the time they’ll be regressing to the horrific “asynchronous learning” of the spring. That’s an enormous step backward from where my 5th grader is today - at least attendance is being taken and they are with their teachers full-time, albeit remotely. You can bet that YouTube and Roblox are going to be very popular in my home on those so-called “asynchronous learning” days.
While there is some talk of the possibility of weekly PCR testing for teachers, there is really nothing on the level of daily antigen testing or even temperature-taking. And there’s no proactive testing planned for students, who actually constitute the real risk to teachers.
So, back to your point... we are making K-5 education happen, but very ineptly next to Germany, S. Korea and other countries that have their acts together.
RE: Pac-12 Football is coming back - dabigv13 - 10-01-2020
I was more referring to Stanford in particular. But I hope elementary openings go OK. I think some areas have low enough prevalence to make it work, but they will need to be flexible in case that changes.