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RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 07-22-2022
LOL. The Giants fifth starter is... Bullpen.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 07-22-2022
(07-22-2022, 03:17 PM)Phogge Wrote: LOL. The Giants fifth starter is... Bullpen.
Junis.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Leftcoast - 07-22-2022
(07-22-2022, 09:40 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Do the folks reading this thread not have a subscription to The Athletic, or just find the topic of how baseball is evolving boring?
https://theathletic.com/3434355/2022/07/21/mlb-three-true-outcomes/
I let my Athletic subscription lapse. Summarize and you may get more interest.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 07-23-2022
(07-22-2022, 03:59 PM)lex24 Wrote: [quote="Phogge" pid='358709' dateline='1658528229']
LOL. The Giants fifth starter is... Bullpen.
Junis.
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LOL Lex.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 07-23-2022
(07-23-2022, 07:25 AM)Phogge Wrote:(07-22-2022, 03:59 PM)lex24 Wrote: [quote="Phogge" pid='358709' dateline='1658528229']
LOL. The Giants fifth starter is... Bullpen.
Junis.
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LOL Lex.
Well, he IS their 5th starter. Was pitching exceptionally well before he got hurt.
SP not the problem. In fact it’s very good. Bullpen a wreck. Particularly the lack of lefties. Defense is just killing them. But they don’t value defense. They think they can position around it by computer.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - BobK - 07-23-2022
Plus scoring one run won’t win many games.
Disappointing last night but will be watching again today
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 07-23-2022
Going forward Lex you're not winning with retreads like Wood, Cobb and Junis. They need young arms like the Dodgers have in bushels. And if you lose Rodon you're in deep shit.
But you want to trade guys like Harrison and Bednar and Rodriquez. Maybe all at once to gain Soto. Madness.
To each his own. I may not be right but I'm never wrong (apologies to Doc).
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Mick - 07-23-2022
(07-23-2022, 11:11 AM)Phogge Wrote: Going forward Lex you're not winning with retreads like Wood, Cobb and Junis. They need young arms like the Dodgers have in bushels. And if you lose Rodon you're in deep shit.
But you want to trade guys like Harrison and Bednar and Rodriquez. Maybe all at once to gain Soto. Madness.
To each his own. I may not be right but I'm never wrong (apologies to Doc).
Right now, we're fifth in MLB in runs per game, but 16th in runs against per game. Maybe we don't need Soto so much as we need better pitching.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 07-23-2022
How are you going to fill the needs at third base, first base, two outfielders who can catch the ball, a true closer and probably at shortstop if you move brobdingnagian piles of cash around to one player? Or are you going to trade your best prospects for a guy who will give you 2.4 seasons and then probably move on?
If you are going to spend big why not wait until you don't have to bankrupt the farm system. I can't see the Giants, for all their passion, challenging a Dodgers team that is literally better at every position and with some bench players better than anything you have starting?
Madness.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Mick - 07-24-2022
Couple of factors at play here. Are the Giants the team that won 7 of 9 going into the all star break, or the team that lost three straight to the Dodgers? They're 5th in the majors in runs scored, their bullpen is 4th in the majors in ERA in the last 10 games, they're 10th in ERA for the starters...what do they really need? Other than fielding, in which they are 2nd to last...
MLB Stats - MLB Team Earned Run Average | TeamRankings.com
Bullpen Era Rankings MLB Teams Last 10 Games | StatMuse
RE: 2022 Giants thread - OutsiderFan - 07-24-2022
It's like cognitive dissonance for many Giants fans at this time. They bitch about how the team is making mistakes and how the players aren't good enough, yet hang on to this idea "anything can happen" down the stretch, talking nonsense like trading for Juan Soto.
I was confident enough to go on record June 8th to say the Giants should be sellers aiming to boost the farm system as the trade window is open. Noting has happened on the field since to suggest they are somehow contenders that should be giving up any future potential asset to barely improve, and maybe even fall behind teams that are already better and will get even better in the next 9 days.
Here is a pretty important data point. Sacramento is .5 games out of last place, and the worst record in the PCL. OKC, the Dodgers? They have the best record in the PCL.
The Giants are 15 GB of the Dodgers and Sac is 14 GB of OKC. The Giants clearly have a two level talent disparity to the Dodgers. Their Double A teams finished about equal, both winning their first halves of Eastern and Texas leagues. Their High A teams both won their first halves too. They both finished 2nd in the first half of California League in Low A.
So you might say the Giants have caught the Dodgers at the A and AA level, but are way behind at the AAA and MLB level. It makes zero sense to trade any of the prospects just when you've caught up at the lower levels, and makes all kinds of sense to add more talent to the lower levels.
The Dodgers will beat both the Giants' best pitchers, but so too will the Mets and Braves, so what, exactly is the point of keeping the one who is about to be a free agent? The last thing I want to see are trades that might improve the team at the fringes, and in so doing basically replicate the free agent signings. Buying anything or doing nothing are both the wrong decision to improve future competitiveness. The only way to do it is to sell.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Mick - 07-24-2022
The Giants minor-league teams also have the third worst swing and miss statistic across all minor leagues.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 07-24-2022
Home run or strikeout for guys like Roby. Lots of strikeouts.
I can't believe that I agree with OF. Keep your guys. But Sellers? Webb and Rodon are the only ones with great value and Webb is going nowhere. Maybe somebody will be a sucker and want Slater.
I've been watching River Cats games on Channel 44. Only two guys stand out, Diaz and Johnson. Diaz has a sweet swing and can catch the ball. Johnson has speed and knows how to run the bases and has good range in the outfield.
Vaun Brown tore up Low A. Now he's tearing up High A. No idea what kind of a defensive player he is. 24 years old so perhaps needs to be fast tracked. #10 pick after the Giants drafted nine pitchers in either '19 or '20.
Harrison pitched Saturday. Walked one and struck out nine. IN THREE INNINGS.
Lex would trade him. For shame.
Leone sets up LA and Rogers pours gas on the fire. Soon to be swept by LA.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 07-24-2022
Longoria back on the IL. Time to thank him and release him.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Giants - 07-24-2022
(07-24-2022, 04:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: Longoria back on the IL. Time to thank him and release him.
He has earned the right to finish out the year. I suspect he will call it a career after this season. Regardless, it is his last with SF.
Following this season, I would wish Belt the best as well. That would leave Crawford as the last man standing from the bunch that won multi-championships.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - Phogge - 07-24-2022
And Crawford can't hit anymore. I disagree about Longoria. Give him away to some team needing a RH DH. Give Villar some time and see what he has. Craw gets hurt a lot too.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 07-24-2022
(07-24-2022, 05:01 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-24-2022, 04:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: Longoria back on the IL. Time to thank him and release him.
He has earned the right to finish out the year. I suspect he will call it a career after this season. Regardless, it is his last with SF.
Following this season, I would wish Belt the best as well. That would leave Crawford as the last man standing from the bunch that won multi-championships.
Agree. Giants get swept by the evil machine and still are only a game out of 6th.
Today is on Kapler. He plays lip service to defense, but doesn’t truly value. Platoons. Puts Mercedes in left, DH Wynn. If he puts Pederson in left and Mercedes DH, maybe they don’t lose. Pederson easily catches that ball. Mercedes isn’t an outfielder. Which he showed. Why Wynn? Just because he’s a righty and they are facing Kershaw. He’s not a threat. He’s not a good hitter. Just a poor managerial decision. Managing by computer only takes you so far.
Defense is KILLING this team. Yet, Mercedes in left……
RE: 2022 Giants thread - old spanish trail - 07-24-2022
Totally agree, Lex. Mercedes is interesting offensively but a MLB outfielder he isn't...at least yet. Wynns is ok for a spot start at catcher but a mlb threat he is not. Pederson has actual cred and, if nothing else, creates pitching changes. He's not getting enuf chances at the plate to keep sharp.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - OutsiderFan - 07-25-2022
(07-24-2022, 07:18 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-24-2022, 05:01 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-24-2022, 04:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: Longoria back on the IL. Time to thank him and release him.
He has earned the right to finish out the year. I suspect he will call it a career after this season. Regardless, it is his last with SF.
Following this season, I would wish Belt the best as well. That would leave Crawford as the last man standing from the bunch that won multi-championships.
Agree. Giants get swept by the evil machine and still are only a game out of 6th.
Today is on Kapler. He plays lip service to defense, but doesn’t truly value. Platoons. Puts Mercedes in left, DH Wynn. If he puts Pederson in left and Mercedes DH, maybe they don’t lose. Pederson easily catches that ball. Mercedes isn’t an outfielder. Which he showed. Why Wynn? Just because he’s a righty and they are facing Kershaw. He’s not a threat. He’s not a good hitter. Just a poor managerial decision. Managing by computer only takes you so far.
Defense is KILLING this team. Yet, Mercedes in left……
How would you re-arrange who is sitting in what deck chairs? This is like complaining about the play calling when your team has the worst roster in the NFL. Admittedly, the Giants are not a 100-loss team, but they are not a contender either and shouldn't be judged as if they are.
On a related note, if there is one thing this season is demonstrating it is the folly of expanding the Wild Card from 2 teams to 3. There simply are not 3 teams worthy of Wild Card opportunity in either league. If they didn't expand the WC, the Giants would be 5 GB of the Padres for the #2 spot, and everyone would know they are selling. Instead, they are 2 GB for the #3 WC spot, and likely fooling themselves they are a marginal player or two away from nabbing the #3 WC spot, in denial they are too flawed to pose any playoff threat should they miraculously earn the #6 seed.
RE: 2022 Giants thread - lex24 - 07-25-2022
(07-25-2022, 04:26 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:(07-24-2022, 07:18 PM)lex24 Wrote:(07-24-2022, 05:01 PM)Giants Wrote:(07-24-2022, 04:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: Longoria back on the IL. Time to thank him and release him.
He has earned the right to finish out the year. I suspect he will call it a career after this season. Regardless, it is his last with SF.
Following this season, I would wish Belt the best as well. That would leave Crawford as the last man standing from the bunch that won multi-championships.
Agree. Giants get swept by the evil machine and still are only a game out of 6th.
Today is on Kapler. He plays lip service to defense, but doesn’t truly value. Platoons. Puts Mercedes in left, DH Wynn. If he puts Pederson in left and Mercedes DH, maybe they don’t lose. Pederson easily catches that ball. Mercedes isn’t an outfielder. Which he showed. Why Wynn? Just because he’s a righty and they are facing Kershaw. He’s not a threat. He’s not a good hitter. Just a poor managerial decision. Managing by computer only takes you so far.
Defense is KILLING this team. Yet, Mercedes in left……
How would you re-arrange who is sitting in what deck chairs? This is like complaining about the play calling when your team has the worst roster in the NFL. Admittedly, the Giants are not a 100-loss team, but they are not a contender either and shouldn't be judged as if they are.
On a related note, if there is one thing this season is demonstrating it is the folly of expanding the Wild Card from 2 teams to 3. There simply are not 3 teams worthy of Wild Card opportunity in either league. If they didn't expand the WC, the Giants would be 5 GB of the Padres for the #2 spot, and everyone would know they are selling. Instead, they are 2 GB for the #3 WC spot, and likely fooling themselves they are a marginal player or two away from nabbing the #3 WC spot, in denial they are too flawed to pose any playoff threat should they miraculously earn the #6 seed.
Actually this shows MLB’s wisdom in expanding. More teams in race means more interest in more cities come September.
All of the teams competing for WC are flawed. Giants probably more so. But they can help themselves with incremental pickups - a left handed reliever and perhaps a MIF or outfielder that can add some defense/ athleticism.
Part of the defensive issue is speed (lack thereof) showing lack of range. Part is playing people out of position. Sometimes out of necessity. Mercedes is an obvious example. He’d played OF once ot twice pre-SF. Kapler should only be using him as DH and perhaps 1B as he has played there some. Pederson is limited defensively, as he’s slow. But he at least takes decent routes and is an actual OF.
Kapler gives lip service to defense. But when you plug a guy like Mercedes in left so you can get Austin Wynns’ “bat” into the game, you show your true colors. Were I a pitcher I wouldn’t be too happy about it.
Finally, were Giants to sneak in Webb and Rodon at top of rotation could pose trouble. Stuff happens in playoffs. Get in and take your chances. Giants were lowest rated team in ‘14 playoffs. In either league. That one worked out pretty well….