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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Giants - 05-25-2022

(05-24-2022, 10:44 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(05-24-2022, 10:32 AM)BobK Wrote:  DC right again.  I was thinking Beltran’s short stay would be forgotten

Wheeler traded for Beltran can't be forgotten!

A gentle nudge follows, DC…. :) :) 

Here is a post from May 25, 2027:

Harrison, et. al. traded for Soto can’t be forgotten…..

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - DC 86 - 05-25-2022

(05-25-2022, 05:16 PM)Giants Wrote:  A gentle nudge follows, DC…. :) :) 

Here is a post from May 25, 2027:

Harrison, et. al. traded for Soto can’t be forgotten…..

lol good one, but to be clear I would never advocate for trading a top prospect for a two-month rental.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - BostonCard - 05-25-2022

Well, how about Shields to the White Sox for some guy named Fernando Tatis Jr.

The world is littered with trades that look ridiculous in hindsight, but statistically, a young player who is already one of major league’s bests is a surer bet than a prospect, no matter how promising.

BC

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - DC 86 - 05-26-2022

(05-25-2022, 06:32 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  Well, how about Shields to the White Sox for some guy named Fernando Tatis Jr.

The world is littered with trades that look ridiculous in hindsight, but statistically, a young player who is already one of major league’s bests is a surer bet than a prospect, no matter how promising.

BC

The problem is that at the time Shields was already 34 years old. The previous season he had an ERA+ of 95 (meaning 5% under league average) and at the time of the trade his ERA+ was 93 (7% under league average), so you're giving up a promising prospect (albeit one that wasn't expected to reach the heights that he has) for an aging, below average, declining player.

Beltran was indeed an elite player but strictly a rental; he played a total of 44 games for San Francisco. Wheeler was an elite prospect (he'd been picked #6 overall in the 2009 amateur draft and selected for the 2010 all-star futures game consisting of the best prospects in the entire minor leagues) so trading him in 2011 in exchange for a short term rental was an overly high cost to pay.

I've been strongly arguing the logic of parting with prospects for proven young players as you said, but Shields/Tatis and Beltran/Wheeler don't fit that paradigm; they were examples of teams using their prospect capital foolishly. Trading Marco Luciano, Kyle Harrison for Juan Soto, yes. But for 44 games of someone, even an all star? no thanks.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Mick - 05-26-2022

(05-26-2022, 08:42 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(05-25-2022, 06:32 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  Well, how about Shields to the White Sox for some guy named Fernando Tatis Jr.

The world is littered with trades that look ridiculous in hindsight, but statistically, a young player who is already one of major league’s bests is a surer bet than a prospect, no matter how promising.

BC

The problem is that at the time Shields was already 34 years old. The previous season he had an ERA+ of 95 (meaning 5% under league average) and at the time of the trade his ERA+ was 93 (7% under league average), so you're giving up a promising prospect (albeit one that wasn't expected to reach the heights that he has) for an aging, below average, declining player.

Beltran was indeed an elite player but strictly a rental; he played a total of 44 games for San Francisco. Wheeler was an elite prospect (he'd been picked #6 overall in the 2009 amateur draft and selected for the 2010 all-star futures game consisting of the best prospects in the entire minor leagues) so trading him in 2011 in exchange for a short term rental was an overly high cost to pay.

I've been strongly arguing the logic of parting with prospects for proven young players as you said, but Shields/Tatis and Beltran/Wheeler don't fit that paradigm; they were examples of teams using their prospect capital foolishly. Trading Marco Luciano, Kyle Harrison for Juan Soto, yes. But for 44 games of someone, even an all star? no thanks.

I suppose it doesn't matter, but a few comments on Beltran:

1) He was an all-star nine of the 13 seasons (2004-2016) that sandwiched his Giants career, including 2011, his Giants year.
2) Beltran was with the Mets earlier in 2011, and he slightly outperformed his Mets line (.298/.391/.513/.904) compared with his SF line (.323/.369/.551/.920).
3) Beltran significantly outperformed his career line (.279/.350/.486/.837).
4) Zack Wheeler had a 3.99 ERA for San Jose that year, and was 7-5. After six seasons in MLB, he had a 22-23 record and missed a season for surgery.  In other words, his breakout year didn't come for seven years after he was traded.

At the end of the day, the Giants were 68-60 and 1.5 games back when Beltran arrived.  44 games later, they were 86-76, and finished 8 games out.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - DC 86 - 05-26-2022

(05-26-2022, 12:51 PM)Mick Wrote:  I suppose it doesn't matter, but a few comments on Beltran:

1) He was an all-star nine of the 13 seasons (2004-2016) that sandwiched his Giants career, including 2011, his Giants year.
2) Beltran was with the Mets earlier in 2011, and he slightly outperformed his Mets line (.298/.391/.513/.904) compared with his SF line (.323/.369/.551/.920).
3) Beltran significantly outperformed his career line (.279/.350/.486/.837).
4) Zack Wheeler had a 3.99 ERA for San Jose that year, and was 7-5. After six seasons in MLB, he had a 22-23 record and missed a season for surgery.  In other words, his breakout year didn't come for seven years after he was traded.

At the end of the day, the Giants were 68-60 and 1.5 games back when Beltran arrived.  44 games later, they were 86-76, and finished 8 games out.

It matters, and that's good information. Reasonable minds can disagree about the efficacy of trading an elite prospect for a short term rental. Certainly MLB front offices have different opinions and track records on this.

I will note that Wheeler was ranked as the #33 overall prospect in all of baseball by Fangraphs prior to 2011 and #17 overall prior to 2012, so he was probably in the low-20s at the time of the trade (due to graduations to MLB and injuries), making him a legitimately elite prospect. He was ranked just ahead of Nolan Arenado and Anthony Rendon. A 21-year old pitcher is valued based on his tools, not his minor league W-L record.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - BostonCard - 05-26-2022

There are trades that are lopsided the other way, too.

For example, theBlue Jays traded David Cone to the Yankees for Marty Janzen, Jason Jarvis, and Mike Gordon. Cone went on to become a two time all-star for the Yanks; none of the prospects Toronto got in return panned out.

BC

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Mick - 05-28-2022

Who was the first Stanford University rugby player to play for the New Zealand All-Blacks?

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Mick - 05-28-2022

(05-28-2022, 02:23 PM)Mick Wrote:  Who was the first Stanford University rugby player to play for the New Zealand All-Blacks?

Native New Zealander Jim Wylie, played for the All Blacks in 1913. The All-Blacks played an American tour that year and played Stanford in two matches, winning 54-0 and 56-0. Wylie realized he wanted to remain in USA and enrolled at Stanford, playing from 1914-1917.   

By 1915, Cal and USC had returned to American football.  Stanford and Santa Clara were the only two remaining American colleges playing rugby.  From 1915 through 1916, Stanford went 19-1-1 against rugby club teams and SCU. Due to cutbacks near the end of WWI, Stanford restricted most of its sports in 1917, playing just one baseball game, holding just one track meet and playing one rugby game, versus Santa Clara.  Jim Wylie was the coach and captain of the 1917 team which played one game, The Big Game versus SCU, winning 15-11.

In 1918 there was no team, and in 1919, Stanford returned to American football, relegating rugby to  minor sport status once again.  Wylie coached Stanford's rugby team for more than 30 years, until at least 1948.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Phogge - 05-29-2022

Wow. Back then they didn’t chicken out of big games.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Giants - 05-30-2022

Something I read today….

Not a trivia question, just an amazing item (one of the most improbable I have ever read).

Three franchises are recognized today as founding members of the NBA, the Celtics, Warriors and Knicks.  They were members of the BAA prior to becoming part of the NBA (the NBA officially traces its history back to 1946 when the BAA was founded.  They do not recognize the NBL as part of their history).  

Anyway, this year marks the 75th consecutive year, a former, current or future Knick will participate in the league championship finals.  In other words, every championship series ever played has included a player who was a Knick at some point in his career.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/insane-nba-finals-streak-involving-new-york-knicks-continues-2022

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - DC 86 - 05-31-2022

(05-30-2022, 11:50 PM)Giants Wrote:  Something I read today….

Not a trivia question, just an amazing item (one of the most improbable I have ever read).

Three franchises are recognized today as founding members of the NBA, the Celtics, Warriors and Knicks.  They were members of the BAA prior to becoming part of the NBA (the NBA officially traces its history back to 1946 when the BAA was founded.  They do not recognize the NBL as part of their history).  

Anyway, this year marks the 75th consecutive year, a former, current or future Knick will participate in the league championship finals.  In other words, every championship series ever played has included a player who was a Knick at some point in his career.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/insane-nba-finals-streak-involving-new-york-knicks-continues-2022

And yet the Knicks have only won the championship twice, most recently almost a half century ago.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Giants - 05-31-2022

Hard to believe they didn’t win several during the Reed, Frazier, Bradley era.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Mick - 05-31-2022

(05-31-2022, 03:05 PM)Giants Wrote:  Hard to believe they didn’t win several during the Reed, Frazier, Bradley era.

They did win in 1970 and 1973, which encompasses the Reed/Frazier/Bradley/Earl "The Pearl" Monroe/DeBusschere/Jerry Lucas/Phil Jackson/Cazzie Russell/Dick Barnett/Mike Riordan/Red Holzman years.

They have retired seven uniform numbers associated with players from those two championships, including the numbers for Reed, Frazier, Barnett, Monroe, Bradley, DeBusschere, and Holzman.  The only other numbers they retired were for Patrick Ewing and Dick McGuire. All of those except Barnett are in the NBA Hall of Fame, BTW.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Giants - 05-31-2022

That collection of talent only won a couple?  Wow.  As I wrote, it is surprising they didn’t win several.

Meanwhile, the Warriors have already won three with the threesome of Green, Thompson and Curry forming the core for the entire run…

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Mick - 05-31-2022

(05-31-2022, 06:24 PM)Giants Wrote:  That collection of talent only won a couple?  Wow.  As I wrote, it is surprising they didn’t win several.

Meanwhile, the Warriors have already won three with the threesome of Green, Thompson and Curry forming the core for the entire run…

I think the front end of those Knicks teams ran into the back end of the great Celtics teams (Jones, Havlicek, Russell, Siegfried, Nelson), plus the back end of the Knicks teams ran into the other great Celtics team that included Cowens, JoJo White, Havlicek, Chaney, Nelson, Paul Silas and Paul Westphal.  They also faced Lakers teams that had Chamberlain, West, Goodrich, Baylor, Erickson, Hairston, and others; and the Bucks (Kareem, Oscar Robertson, Dandridge, Jon McGlocklin, Lucius Allen). And of course there was that little upstart in the SFBA with Rick Barry, Jamaal Wilkes, two headed center monster of Cliff Ray and George Johnson, guards Charles Johnson, Charles Dudley, Phil Smith, Jeff Mullins, PFs Happy Hairston and Derrick Dickey, and Al Attles, a/k/a the Toughest Coach In the World.  The Warriors were 3-1 vs. the Knicks that season with the one loss being a one-pointer in which they had 34 turnovers.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Phogge - 06-01-2022

Possibly the biggest mistake during the era when teams “hid” prospects down in the low minors before the Information Age was committed by the Brooklyn Dodgers.

What player and what team drafted this future HOFer?

BobbbbbbK not eligible to answer.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - BobK - 06-01-2022

But I know and I can spell his name.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - Giants - 06-01-2022

(06-01-2022, 12:00 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Possibly the biggest mistake during the era when teams “hid” prospects down in the low minors before the Information Age was committed by the Brooklyn Dodgers.

What player and what team drafted this future HOFer?

BobbbbbbK not eligible to answer.

 #21 Pittsburgh Pirates.  It was a privilege to see him play at Seals Stadium.

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RE: Sports trivia thread 2022 - BobK - 06-01-2022

What an incredible arm

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