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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Branner77 - 06-11-2023

Awesome performance by Mathews. Rivals the Jeremy Guthrie extra inning complete game in the regionals ~ 20 years ago. Slight edge to Guthrie because he went 12 or 13 innings in a pressure-cooker tied game. Marquess probably would've kept him in for 200 pitches that day!

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - OutsiderFan - 06-12-2023

Just like some people get CTE from hits to head and some don’t, not everyone who throws a lot of pitches is going to ruin their arm. It depends on several factors, including number of pitches thrown at maximum effort, types of pitches thrown, mechanics of throwing motion, to name a few. One outing with a relatively high pitch count isn’t going to lead to injury if the pitches are not too stressful.

I’d be far more concerned about Matthews going pro and whoever drafts him trying to tinker with his arm and delivery to add more velocity to his throws. He seems to have an easy smooth delivery now and it looks to my eye like he actually throws harder than it suggests. I wouldn’t want him taught to throw harder. Pitching is about changing speed, location, eye level of batter, and control. Matthews is a Pitcher more than a thrower, which makes him more capable of throwing 156 pitches than most of his peers I imagine.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - lex24 - 06-12-2023

156 pitches.  Why is it that you don’t see professional pitchers throw anywhere near that many pitches?  Because they are valuable assets.  With agents. 

I remember Bochy sweating  out letting Lincecum throw about 135. And he left him in only cause he was  pitching a no-hitter. 


I’d like to see the NCAA impose pitch  limits.  College managers too often fail to protect young arms.  

As for the Texas “fans”.  Those that (allegedly, I didn’t see the game) chanted “Tommy John” should have been thrown out.  No place for that.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - terry - 06-12-2023

(06-11-2023, 11:45 PM)Branner77 Wrote:  Awesome performance by Mathews. Rivals the Jeremy Guthrie extra inning complete game in the regionals ~ 20 years ago. Slight edge to Guthrie because he went 12 or 13 innings in a pressure-cooker tied game. Marquess probably would've kept him in for 200 pitches that day!

Jeremy Guthrie went 13 innings and threw 144 pitches to beat Fullerton 3-2 in that 2002 regional.

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/COLLEGE-BASEBALL-Cardinal-rally-for-13-inning-2815499.php

The only time I can remember a Stanford pitcher throwing more pitches than Mathews was when Jason Young threw 167 pitches against Florida State in a loss in the 1999 CWS. Stanford had the lead going into the 9th, but Young gave up the tying runs and Stanford eventually lost in 14 innings.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/seminoles-in-cws-title-game/

Mathews turned in a great performance, no doubt about it. But I did not like Mathews being left in the game to throw 156 pitches. Surely somebody else could have gone out there with a 5 run lead in the 9th.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Langdude - 06-12-2023

There are lots of causes to arm injury, not merely number of pitches pitched in one game. Kind of pitches thrown, number of innings over a season, recovery routine, strengthening program, diet, delivery mechanics, genetics, body frame, and rest between starts all play a role. The most common cause of injury for young pitchers is “chasing velo” in high school to get noticed by colleges or the draft, improperly throwing sliders, or throwing them pre-puberty.

I do not believe that either Jeremy Guthrie or Jason Young dealt with arm injury. In fact, Guthrie was durable in MLB.

It was not an optimal situation for Quinn to throw 156, but not as horrible as some are making it out to be. Trainers will get him rested, and Quinn is no dummy. He’s been doing recovery routines his whole life. And if he was going to have one game to go over 115 pitches (a typical limit), last night was the one.

-m.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - M T - 06-12-2023

The Mighty Quinn could have hurt his arm by thumbing his nose at MLB's evaluation of him last year...

Despite keeping up his speed in the 8th, it seemed pretty clear he was losing control, mostly up.  Inspirationally, it was right to leave him in the game.  But if they'd had a sure reliever, I think it would have probably been the wrong thing.  But, after the previous day's meltdown, I can see why he had to finish it.

On TV, they pointed out an instance last year where the decision whether to pitch on short rest was put to Quinn AND his parents.  Then with the talk about an adult conversation or lack thereof on the mound, I think it is clear that the coaches are trying to teach the pitchers to know their limitations and be honest as possible.   In the interview, Quinn knew that was his last batter.  I'm just glad that batter was the last out.


I really hope his performance leads to inspired pitching today.  As great as that was for a last performance by Quinn at Klein, I hope it wasn't his last game for Stanford.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - norcard10 - 06-12-2023

Tickets sold out in an absolute flash. Did someone bot this?

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - old spanish trail - 06-12-2023

(06-12-2023, 08:57 AM)Langdude Wrote:  There are lots of causes to arm injury, not merely number of pitches pitched in one game. Kind of pitches thrown, number of innings over a season, recovery routine, strengthening program, diet, delivery mechanics, genetics, body frame, and rest between starts all play a role. The most common cause of injury for young pitchers is “chasing velo” in high school to get noticed by colleges or the draft, improperly throwing sliders, or throwing them pre-puberty.

I do not believe that either Jeremy Guthrie or Jason Young dealt with arm injury. In fact, Guthrie was durable in MLB.

It was not an optimal situation for Quinn to throw 156, but not as horrible as some are making it out to be. Trainers will get him rested, and Quinn is no dummy. He’s been doing recovery routines his whole life. And if he was going to have one game to go over 115 pitches (a typical limit), last night was the one.

-m.

Yep to Langdude

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(06-12-2023, 07:18 AM)lex24 Wrote:  156 pitches.  Why is it that you don’t see professional pitchers throw anywhere near that many pitches?  Because they are valuable assets.  With agents. 

I remember Bochy sweating  out letting Lincecum throw about 135. And he left him in only cause he was  pitching a no-hitter. 


I’d like to see the NCAA impose pitch  limits.  College managers too often fail to protect young arms.  

As for the Texas “fans”.  Those that (allegedly, I didn’t see the game) chanted “Tommy John” should have been thrown out.  No place for that.

Re jerks, better to let them reinforce jerkiness with each chant than throw them out, methinks.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Branner77 - 06-12-2023

(06-12-2023, 11:32 AM)norcard10 Wrote:  Tickets sold out in an absolute flash.  Did someone bot this?

Tickets on StubHub priced as high as $ 245 right now!?

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - OutsiderFan - 06-12-2023

PTI guys weigh in on 156 pitches...

Wilbon raises a toast to Matthews "for going 156 in this era of softness, Charmin softness"

Kornheiser noted he's thrown over 100 in 15 starts, and "50 years ago if he's on the board, he's the #1 pick" for showing such competitiveness.

Both guys loved it and downplayed the health risks.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - TonyLima - 06-12-2023

(06-12-2023, 02:11 PM)Branner77 Wrote:  

(06-12-2023, 11:32 AM)norcard10 Wrote:  Tickets sold out in an absolute flash.  Did someone bot this?

Tickets on StubHub priced as high as $ 245 right now!?

Economists are always interested in prices. 

General admission: $60-$85
         Sec 8 row N: $135
               4        E: $175
               6.       B: $199
               1.       F: $100 (BARGAIN!)
               4.       L: $222

Prices subject to change!

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - JJJ - 06-12-2023

Happy birthday, Nick Dugan!
You get to start Game 3!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stanfordbsb/status/1668292008996409344?s=61&t=u1yJsNemMPmii4Tu_ztWqw[/tweet]

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Sam Leopold - 06-12-2023

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - JJJ - 06-12-2023

Both teams scored 3 runs in the 4th after 2 outs. 
I’m going out on a limb and saying the final score won’t be 6-3.  :)

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Madera86 - 06-12-2023

Do you like that glare from Becerra after ball 4?

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Langdude - 06-12-2023

Pancer looks good, but I'm already thinking about who comes next. Dowd threw 55 pitches on Saturday, Bruno 25, Scott 25 as well.

-m.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - JJJ - 06-12-2023

(06-12-2023, 06:47 PM)Langdude Wrote:  Pancer looks good, but I'm already thinking about who comes next. Dowd threw 55 pitches on Saturday, Bruno 25, Scott 25 as well.

-m.

Montgomery is DH-ing so I think they planned for the possibility they might need him too.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - PAsportsfan - 06-12-2023

(06-12-2023, 11:32 AM)norcard10 Wrote:  Tickets sold out in an absolute flash.  Did someone bot this?

No need to bot when Stubhub is the official “partner”

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - cardfan77 - 06-12-2023

Looks like Bruno is coming in.

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RE: Stanford Baseball 2023 - Langdude - 06-12-2023

Gosh. I thought Pancer looked really good; surprised he got the hook so early. Even the hits he gave up were weak.

-m.

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