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RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 04-30-2024
(04-30-2024, 10:19 AM)Mick Wrote: Don't look now, but the Giants are 2nd in the NL West at 14-15. They're still two games behind the Reds for the final wild card playoff spot, and back of the Mets and Nationals.
Nice to see Yaz heating up a little bit before he visits Fenway tonight. He went 2 for 3 with a game-winning HR. He's now hitting .236, better than any of the three previous years. Perhaps he'll return to greatness.
Fitzgerald was a revelation, going 3 for 3, now hitting .313/.353/.563/.916.
Logan Webb (3-1, 2.33, 26K) tonight vs. Criswell (1-1, 2.38, 7K)
Giants are 17th in OPS and 21st in runs scored; 25th in ERA and 15th in WHIP. Hopefully, things will improve.
And tonight they laid an egg. A snoozer if there ever was. This is a brutal road trip. I’ll be fine with 4-6.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 05-02-2024
Slater looked awful pinch-hitting for Yastrzemski. Struck out on three pitches, 87 mph slow curve that caught the fat part of the plate, 94 mph fastball belt high on outside of plate, swung and missed (late) on same pitch in nearly same location. He didn't come close to hitting it, now batting an even .100.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 05-02-2024
Still a Giants win
Tine to drop Slater. Take the hit
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 05-02-2024
At least Miller's doing well. He pitched another three-up, three-down inning. Between him, Doval, Rogers and Ty. Walker, the Giant relievers retired 12 of the last 13 batters, just giving up one hit.
I think SF's on the verge of really starting to do well.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - qwerty49 - 05-02-2024
(05-02-2024, 01:12 PM)BobK Wrote: Still a Giants win
Tine to drop Slater. Take the hit
Someone (maybe Mick?) pointed out the difference in Slater’s stats vs RHP and LHP.
My question — is there an overall MLB or even league stat showing the “average” differential for ALL batters? What is typical? (I’m guessing switch-hitters would have to be excluded, although those stats would also be interesting.)
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 05-02-2024
Here’s a stat for you. - in the 6 games that are in the Snell slot (I.e other than Webb, Harrison, Hicks and Winn) Giants are 0-6. Cumulative score: 61-14.
(05-02-2024, 07:06 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(05-02-2024, 01:12 PM)BobK Wrote: Still a Giants win
Tine to drop Slater. Take the hit
Someone (maybe Mick?) pointed out the difference in Slater’s stats vs RHP and LHP.
My question — is there an overall MLB or even league stat showing the “average” differential for ALL batters? What is typical? (I’m guessing switch-hitters would have to be excluded, although those stats would also be interesting.)
Great question. Keep some there’s a MLB stat for everything! So I suspect it is somewhere, but I’ve never seen it.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 05-02-2024
lex24 dateline='[url=tel:1714707376' Wrote: 1714707376[/url]']
Here’s a stat for you. - in the 6 games that are in the Snell slot (I.e other than Webb, Harrison, Hicks and Winn) Giants are 0-6. Cumulative score: 61-14.
qwerty49 dateline='[url=tel:1714701991' Wrote: 1714701991[/url]']
BobK dateline='[url=tel:1714680727' Wrote: 1714680727[/url]']
Still a Giants win
Tine to drop Slater. Take the hit
Someone (maybe Mick?) pointed out the difference in Slater’s stats vs RHP and LHP.
My question — is there an overall MLB or even league stat showing the “average” differential for ALL batters? What is typical? (I’m guessing switch-hitters would have to be excluded, although those stats would also be interesting.)
Great question. Keep some there’s a MLB stat for everything! So I suspect it is somewhere, but I’ve never seen it.
Stathead.com. However, one needs a subscription to create a table that would detail the numbers.
I knew that SF hadn’t won any of the #5 pitching slot games. However, I was not aware of the run differential. Yikes! When do we get to see Mason Black?
Monday v. Philadelphia??
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 05-03-2024
Hope so. Black is 2-1 with a 1.01 ERA and a 0.900 WHIP in AAA. He had a 6.97 ERA in spring training and gave up three home runs and 16 hits in 10 1/3rd innings in spring training, but I am informed by a reliable source that spring training statistics don't matter. I wonder which matters more, spring training stats or AAA stats? Guess we're about to find out.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 05-03-2024
(05-02-2024, 07:06 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:(05-02-2024, 01:12 PM)BobK Wrote: Still a Giants win
Tine to drop Slater. Take the hit
Someone (maybe Mick?) pointed out the difference in Slater’s stats vs RHP and LHP.
My question — is there an overall MLB or even league stat showing the “average” differential for ALL batters? What is typical? (I’m guessing switch-hitters would have to be excluded, although those stats would also be interesting.)
This is from a poster I trust on another site. Per Baseball Savant. 2023 numbers:
All are OPS
Overall .734
RHB vs LHP. .758
RHB vs RHP. .713
Differential. 0.45
LHB vs RHP. .751
LHB vs LHP. .689
Differential 0.66
Great question.
(05-03-2024, 06:13 AM)Mick Wrote: Hope so. Black is 2-1 with a 1.01 ERA and a 0.900 WHIP in AAA. He had a 6.97 ERA in spring training and gave up three home runs and 16 hits in 10 1/3rd innings in spring training, but I am informed by a reliable source that spring training statistics don't matter. I wonder which matters more, spring training stats or AAA stats? Guess we're about to find out.
Maybe. I heard FZ on KNBR yesterday. They are hopeful that Snell will be ready when they get home and that he’ll only miss one or two more starts. if that’s the case, I doubt they call up Black, primarily because he’s not on the 40 man roster. If Snell is going to be out longer, I think they will call up Black FZ also made it clear that he’s in “consideration.” (Personally, i’d like to see Snell do a rehab start or two in Sacramento. Next time he goes on the mound, I want him to actually be ready to pitch in a major league regular season game. He wasn’t prior to his injury.)
it was interesting interview. He’s always very personable. Also talked about Slater and his difficulties. Pointed out that the Giants have seen very little left-handed pitching this year and Slater at bats have been sporadic. Making it more difficult. Certainly true. But I’m not sure the leash at this point is all that long on Slater.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 05-03-2024
(05-03-2024, 06:13 AM)Mick Wrote: Hope so. Black is 2-1 with a 1.01 ERA and a 0.900 WHIP in AAA. He had a 6.97 ERA in spring training and gave up three home runs and 16 hits in 10 1/3rd innings in spring training, but I am informed by a reliable source that spring training statistics don't matter. I wonder which matters more, spring training stats or AAA stats? Guess we're about to find out.
Spring training is a time to prepare for the season ahead. Nothing more.
And AAA numbers must be taken in context.
The PCL is known for big offensive numbers because of the altitude at many parks and the size of the league’s stadiums.
Also, the ABS is in effect in the PCL, skewing the K/BB ratio. Kyle Harrison is a good example of a pitcher who was penalized by the ABS. In the majors, he is getting ball/strike calls that he failed to receive in Sacramento. Thus, his results are better.
In other words, the answer is numbers at every level cannot be solely upon as the only indicator of future performance. One must take into account the “readiness” of a player. Is he prepared to succeed at the next level? The emotional, psychological, and physical aspects of development are the determining factors.
Sure, it helps to have a low ERA/WHIP or a high betting average. However, if a player has not prepared for the grind of a big league season, he will fail regardless of his numbers in the minors or spring training.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 05-03-2024
(05-03-2024, 10:23 AM)Giants Wrote:(05-03-2024, 06:13 AM)Mick Wrote: Hope so. Black is 2-1 with a 1.01 ERA and a 0.900 WHIP in AAA. He had a 6.97 ERA in spring training and gave up three home runs and 16 hits in 10 1/3rd innings in spring training, but I am informed by a reliable source that spring training statistics don't matter. I wonder which matters more, spring training stats or AAA stats? Guess we're about to find out.
Spring training is a time to prepare for the season ahead. Nothing more.
And AAA numbers must be taken in context.
The PCL is known for big offensive numbers because of the altitude at many parks and the size of the league’s stadiums.
Also, the ABS is in effect in the PCL, skewing the K/BB ratio. Kyle Harrison is a good example of a pitcher who was penalized by the ABS. In the majors, he is getting ball/strike calls that he failed to receive in Sacramento. Thus, his results are better.
In other words, the answer is numbers at every level cannot be solely upon as the only indicator of future performance. One must take into account the “readiness” of a player. Is he prepared to succeed at the next level? The emotional, psychological, and physical aspects of development are the determining factors.
Sure, it helps to have a low ERA/WHIP or a high betting average. However, if a player has not prepared for the grind of a big league season, he will fail regardless of his numbers in the minors or spring training.
I recall reading years ago that you should subtract 100 points from an AAA player's batting average and 150 points from their slugging average as they transitioned to MLB. Also read that the AAA pitcher's ERA should be about the same in MLB. Both phenomena due to what you just described.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 05-04-2024
(05-03-2024, 11:46 AM)Mick Wrote:(05-03-2024, 10:23 AM)Giants Wrote:(05-03-2024, 06:13 AM)Mick Wrote: Hope so. Black is 2-1 with a 1.01 ERA and a 0.900 WHIP in AAA. He had a 6.97 ERA in spring training and gave up three home runs and 16 hits in 10 1/3rd innings in spring training, but I am informed by a reliable source that spring training statistics don't matter. I wonder which matters more, spring training stats or AAA stats? Guess we're about to find out.
Spring training is a time to prepare for the season ahead. Nothing more.
And AAA numbers must be taken in context.
The PCL is known for big offensive numbers because of the altitude at many parks and the size of the league’s stadiums.
Also, the ABS is in effect in the PCL, skewing the K/BB ratio. Kyle Harrison is a good example of a pitcher who was penalized by the ABS. In the majors, he is getting ball/strike calls that he failed to receive in Sacramento. Thus, his results are better.
In other words, the answer is numbers at every level cannot be solely upon as the only indicator of future performance. One must take into account the “readiness” of a player. Is he prepared to succeed at the next level? The emotional, psychological, and physical aspects of development are the determining factors.
Sure, it helps to have a low ERA/WHIP or a high betting average. However, if a player has not prepared for the grind of a big league season, he will fail regardless of his numbers in the minors or spring training.
I recall reading years ago that you should subtract 100 points from an AAA player's batting average and 150 points from their slugging average as they transitioned to MLB. Also read that the AAA pitcher's ERA should be about the same in MLB. Both phenomena due to what you just described.
A couple “interesting” Giants stats: First, they are taking the highest percentage of middle middle strikes of any team since Statcast began tracking this in 2015. Second, the number three slot in the Giants order has seven RBIs. That’s anybody who’s hitting that slot total number. Four of those are from Soler’s solo homers. Which means in 33 games, the Giants number three hitter has driven in a total of three other runners. That is pathetic.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - cardcrimson - 05-04-2024
(05-04-2024, 01:24 PM)lex24 Wrote:(05-03-2024, 11:46 AM)Mick Wrote:(05-03-2024, 10:23 AM)Giants Wrote:(05-03-2024, 06:13 AM)Mick Wrote: Hope so. Black is 2-1 with a 1.01 ERA and a 0.900 WHIP in AAA. He had a 6.97 ERA in spring training and gave up three home runs and 16 hits in 10 1/3rd innings in spring training, but I am informed by a reliable source that spring training statistics don't matter. I wonder which matters more, spring training stats or AAA stats? Guess we're about to find out.
Spring training is a time to prepare for the season ahead. Nothing more.
And AAA numbers must be taken in context.
The PCL is known for big offensive numbers because of the altitude at many parks and the size of the league’s stadiums.
Also, the ABS is in effect in the PCL, skewing the K/BB ratio. Kyle Harrison is a good example of a pitcher who was penalized by the ABS. In the majors, he is getting ball/strike calls that he failed to receive in Sacramento. Thus, his results are better.
In other words, the answer is numbers at every level cannot be solely upon as the only indicator of future performance. One must take into account the “readiness” of a player. Is he prepared to succeed at the next level? The emotional, psychological, and physical aspects of development are the determining factors.
Sure, it helps to have a low ERA/WHIP or a high betting average. However, if a player has not prepared for the grind of a big league season, he will fail regardless of his numbers in the minors or spring training.
I recall reading years ago that you should subtract 100 points from an AAA player's batting average and 150 points from their slugging average as they transitioned to MLB. Also read that the AAA pitcher's ERA should be about the same in MLB. Both phenomena due to what you just described.
A couple “interesting” Giants stats: First, they are taking the highest percentage of middle middle strikes of any team since Statcast began tracking this in 2015. Second, the number three slot in the Giants order has seven RBIs. That’s anybody who’s hitting that slot total number. Four of those are from Soler’s solo homers. Which means in 33 games, the Giants number three hitter has driven in a total of three other runners. That is pathetic.
Thought three was a magic number. . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJlwFvVrW50
RE: SF Giants 2024 - qwerty49 - 05-04-2024
Ouch. Bailey on the 7-day injured list (caught a foul tip on the mask). Sabol called up. The story I read said that Sabol the only other catcher on the 40-man roster. Really?
RE: SF Giants 2024 - old spanish trail - 05-04-2024
(05-04-2024, 08:24 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Ouch. Bailey on the 7-day injured list (caught a foul tip on the mask). Sabol called up. The story I read said that Sabol the only other catcher on the 40-man roster. Really?
Plus Murphy, of course.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 05-05-2024
(05-04-2024, 09:13 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(05-04-2024, 08:24 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Ouch. Bailey on the 7-day injured list (caught a foul tip on the mask). Sabol called up. The story I read said that Sabol the only other catcher on the 40-man roster. Really?
Plus Murphy, of course.
And now Murphy is hurt. Jackson Reetz anyone?
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 05-05-2024
(05-05-2024, 08:19 AM)lex24 Wrote:(05-04-2024, 09:13 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(05-04-2024, 08:24 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Ouch. Bailey on the 7-day injured list (caught a foul tip on the mask). Sabol called up. The story I read said that Sabol the only other catcher on the 40-man roster. Really?
Plus Murphy, of course.
And now Murphy is hurt. Jackson Reetz anyone?
On the good side, Reetz has a .500 career MLB batting average. On the not-so-good side, Reetz is 28 years old and has a AAA slash line of .234/.328/.478/.806 and about the same at AA. He runs into one every now and then, 29 home runs in 500 ABs at the AAA level, about the same at AA. He struck out 152 times in 500 ABs at AAA, slightly worse in AA actually. So...I'm guessing a stat line of 4 ABs, 3 Ks, maybe a HBP (he gets hit a lot).
The Jackson Reetz era is upon us. Hope he enjoys his cup of coffee...he's thrown out 30% of baserunners, not a terrible fielder.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 05-05-2024
(05-05-2024, 09:06 AM)Mick Wrote:(05-05-2024, 08:19 AM)lex24 Wrote:(05-04-2024, 09:13 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(05-04-2024, 08:24 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Ouch. Bailey on the 7-day injured list (caught a foul tip on the mask). Sabol called up. The story I read said that Sabol the only other catcher on the 40-man roster. Really?
Plus Murphy, of course.
And now Murphy is hurt. Jackson Reetz anyone?
On the good side, Reetz has a .500 career MLB batting average. On the not-so-good side, Reetz is 28 years old and has a AAA slash line of .234/.328/.478/.806 and about the same at AA. He runs into one every now and then, 29 home runs in 500 ABs at the AAA level, about the same at AA. He struck out 152 times in 500 ABs at AAA, slightly worse in AA actually. So...I'm guessing a stat line of 4 ABs, 3 Ks, maybe a HBP (he gets hit a lot).
The Jackson Reetz era is upon us. Hope he enjoys his cup of coffee...he's thrown out 30% of baserunners, not a terrible fielder.
“Reetz has a .500 career MLB batting average.”
You have a good sense of humor.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - qwerty49 - 05-05-2024
Hey, Melvin’s already suited up, LOL.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 05-05-2024
(05-05-2024, 09:49 AM)lex24 Wrote:(05-05-2024, 09:06 AM)Mick Wrote:(05-05-2024, 08:19 AM)lex24 Wrote:(05-04-2024, 09:13 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(05-04-2024, 08:24 PM)qwerty49 Wrote: Ouch. Bailey on the 7-day injured list (caught a foul tip on the mask). Sabol called up. The story I read said that Sabol the only other catcher on the 40-man roster. Really?
Plus Murphy, of course.
And now Murphy is hurt. Jackson Reetz anyone?
On the good side, Reetz has a .500 career MLB batting average. On the not-so-good side, Reetz is 28 years old and has a AAA slash line of .234/.328/.478/.806 and about the same at AA. He runs into one every now and then, 29 home runs in 500 ABs at the AAA level, about the same at AA. He struck out 152 times in 500 ABs at AAA, slightly worse in AA actually. So...I'm guessing a stat line of 4 ABs, 3 Ks, maybe a HBP (he gets hit a lot).
The Jackson Reetz era is upon us. Hope he enjoys his cup of coffee...he's thrown out 30% of baserunners, not a terrible fielder.
“Reetz has a .500 career MLB batting average.”
You have a good sense of humor.
Technically speaking, his slash line is .500/.500/1.000/1.500. On one glorious day, the third round selection debuted as a pinch hitter -- against the Giants, no less -- and hit a double off of Brebbia, later scoring. He was a defensive replacement the next game, then got sent back down. Hasn't been in the majors since. And given that he was 2 for 16 in spring training, I didn't expect him to get a sniff of a Giants game...except everyone knows that spring training stats are meaningless. And here we are.