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Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - BostonCard - 04-26-2015

That wasn't antisemitism.

This is antisemitism.

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=35412abc-e0d1-471c-9b1c-3ff29d13cb2d&c=62def270-5e36-11e3-9f77-d4ae52710c75&ch=639f8350-5e36-11e3-a02b-d4ae52710c75

Yuck.

BC

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - 82lsju - 04-26-2015

(04-26-2015, 06:14 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:That wasn't antisemitism.

This is antisemitism.

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=35412abc-e0d1-471c-9b1c-3ff29d13cb2d&c=62def270-5e36-11e3-9f77-d4ae52710c75&ch=639f8350-5e36-11e3-a02b-d4ae52710c75

Yuck.

BC

here's some more info from the Daily

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/04/26/sae-painted-with-anti-semitic-graffiti/

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - Rally - 04-26-2015

(04-26-2015, 06:14 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:That wasn't antisemitism.

This is antisemitism.

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=35412abc-e0d1-471c-9b1c-3ff29d13cb2d&c=62def270-5e36-11e3-9f77-d4ae52710c75&ch=639f8350-5e36-11e3-a02b-d4ae52710c75

Yuck.

BC

When the "best and the brightest" do this I lose all hope.  But maybe it was idiots from off campus.  I hope :(

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - M T - 04-26-2015

I hope that all (except maybe one person) of the Stanford community agrees that the apparent hate crime is intolerable.

We should remember that any population may have one or a few individuals that behave in ways that are not acceptable to the majority of that population.  If one student or athlete or coach at a school or in a sport behaves unacceptably, we really shouldn't judge the whole school or sport by those actions.  I hope we're all honest enough with ourselves to recognize that we do tend to use such wide paint brushes, at least before we stop and think.

I recognize that the undergraduate college years are a time when young men and women progress from relative immaturity to adulthood as they transition from the shelter of their parents and home to being out on their own.  Practically by definition, some college students are immature.  Intelligence and maturity seem to be two orthogonal dimensions of individuals.

I would hope that this incident turns out to be some extremely foolish & misguided prank by some immature person rather than an act of someone who truly understands what they were doing.  The fact that this was done as graffiti rather than some more harmful expression of hate gives me hope that the perpetrator does not have the kind of malice that we associate with such symbols.

I would much rather believe there is one foolish person in the Stanford community than there is one who is truly hateful.  There are far too many of the latter in this world expressing their hate in far more destructive ways.

We shall see.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - winflop - 04-27-2015

When they catch the morons who did this, I hope they make a public spectacle of them.  Just kicking them out of school is not enough.

Have them repaint the entire SAE house at their own expense.  Then they can stand in the middle of White Plaza for an entire day and apologize for what they did.  Finally, they can go back to their dorms/apartments, pack their bags, and never set foot on the Stanford campus again.

This is the kind of thing where examples need to be made.  If it makes one person thinks twice before they act on their misguided rage, mission accomplished.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - Leftcoast - 04-27-2015

I noticed in the article that the SAE chapter will be kicked off campus next year and the house opened for the general draw.  Anyone know the story behind that?

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - terry - 04-27-2015

(04-27-2015, 09:22 AM)leftcoast link Wrote:I noticed in the article that the SAE chapter will be kicked off campus next year and the house opened for the general draw.  Anyone know the story behind that?

There was a sexual assault issue.

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2014/12/12/sae-housing-suspended-for-two-years-due-to-sexual-harassment-concerns/

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - 2 for 2028 - 04-27-2015

Is there any evidence aside from the swastikas that there was anti-Semitism behind this?  What did the "personal slurs and epithets" say?  Seems to me like it was an attack on SAE. 

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - CornFed - 04-27-2015

Well, there apparently other sorts of "swastika controversies" that arise.  Kevin Williamson touches on one such episode at George Washington University.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417499/george-washington-universitys-swastika-problem-kevin-d-williamson

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - CornFed - 04-27-2015

Also, in the previously linked article, Williamson touches on Hitler's fascination with icons and symbols from the Far East. 

"The resemblance between the Hindu swastika and the Nazi swastika is not coincidental. The eastern fascinations of Adolf Hitler’s inner circle, particularly those of Heinrich Himmler, are well known, and the connection between the Third Reich and exotic mystical traditions lives on in the very odd world of “esoteric Nazism.” (This is a very amusing book on the subject.) The Nazis’ hijacking of the swastika was, culturally speaking, a very thorough one; when living in India, I found the symbol’s ubiquity jarring, even in a land rich with striking religious images."

Is that right?  I had never heard that before.  It is another weird aspect of that twisted regime.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - BostonCard - 04-27-2015

(04-27-2015, 10:43 AM)2 for 2028 link Wrote:Is there any evidence aside from the swastikas that there was anti-Semitism behind this?  What did the "personal slurs and epithets" say?  Seems to me like it was an attack on SAE.

Ummm, isn't that enough?  It would be like asking in the Oklahoma SAE case whether aside from the use of the n-word and allusions to lynchings whether there was racism behind it.  While as others have mentioned, there are other contexts that swastika's can be used in, pretty much everywhere in the western world, the symbol has taken a connotation that is far from its Hindu origin.  Whether it was directed at SAE, or the SAE house happened to be a convenient place to spray paint the symbol, it would be tough for me to believe that there wasn't a component of antisemitism behind it.

BC

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - stupac2 - 04-27-2015

(04-27-2015, 12:06 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Ummm, isn't that enough?  It would be like asking in the Oklahoma SAE case whether aside from the use of the n-word and allusions to lynchings whether there was racism behind it.  While as others have mentioned, there are other contexts that swastika's can be used in, pretty much everywhere in the western world, the symbol has taken a connotation that is far from its Hindu origin.  Whether it was directed at SAE, or the SAE house happened to be a convenient place to spray paint the symbol, it would be tough for me to believe that there wasn't a component of antisemitism behind it.

BC

It could also just be trolling. Someone wanted to provoke a reaction and knew this would do it. Is that still antisemitism? I don't think so, though I suppose you could make the case that intent doesn't really matter with hate speech.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - dabigv13 - 04-27-2015

Well as the article points out, almost anything is possible. Could be a member of a Jewish student group who is trying to build support by falsely portraying an antisemitic element at Stanford.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - 2 for 2028 - 04-27-2015

(04-27-2015, 12:06 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=2 for 2028 link=topic=12033.msg117323#msg117323 date=1430156617]
Is there any evidence aside from the swastikas that there was anti-Semitism behind this?  What did the "personal slurs and epithets" say?  Seems to me like it was an attack on SAE.

Ummm, isn't that enough?  It would be like asking in the Oklahoma SAE case whether aside from the use of the n-word and allusions to lynchings whether there was racism behind it.  While as others have mentioned, there are other contexts that swastika's can be used in, pretty much everywhere in the western world, the symbol has taken a connotation that is far from its Hindu origin.  Whether it was directed at SAE, or the SAE house happened to be a convenient place to spray paint the symbol, it would be tough for me to believe that there wasn't a component of antisemitism behind it.

BC
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No, it's not enough.  In fact, based on my read of the Daily article, I doubt that anti-Semitism was behind this.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - Ronnietrader - 04-27-2015

As a Jew, I can only interpret this as an antisemitic act.  Moreover, Stanford is quickly garnering a reputation as a not too friendly campus for Jewish students and antithetical to the university's mission.  As I indicated earlier, I would never apply if I were a high school student today.  The administration has to be extremely concerned with the events of the spring.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - CTcard - 04-27-2015

(04-27-2015, 12:59 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:... though I suppose you could make the case that intent doesn't really matter with hate speech.

hmmmmmm.

I'll go with: that's a brilliantly subtle exposure of the irony inherent in the definition.

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - BostonCard - 04-27-2015

(04-27-2015, 03:24 PM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=12033.msg117331#msg117331 date=1430164773]
... though I suppose you could make the case that intent doesn't really matter with hate speech.

hmmmmmm.

I'll go with: that's a brilliantly subtle exposure of the irony inherent in the definition.
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One would have to be exceedingly ignorant not to know the implications of such a signal.  Thus, even if the intent was not to be explicitly express hate towards Jews on campus, one can argue that the callous disregard for the implications of such a symbol is itself hate.  In other words, the people who did it must have known the reaction it was going to cause and did it anyways, which itself is an expression of antisemitism.

By the way, that doesn't change if it was a member of a Jewish group "falsely portraying an antisemitic element at Stanford." Indeed, you can argue it is even more despicable, for it would be impossible for such a person not to know the reaction it would cause.  For such a person to be so callous and show a wanton disregard for the feelings of fellow Jews makes it worse, in my opinion.

I'm sorry, there are some symbols that are so clearly a sign of hatred that their use, even if not intended to be an expression of hatred, are a sign thereof.

BC

Re: Is anti-Semitism a problem at Stanford? - dabigv13 - 04-27-2015

Pretty despicable in any case, and I'm not suggesting that scenario was likely, only possible.

Until the culprit is found and his motivations are further elucidated, I don't know that it's worth pontificating on what the meaning of it is in regards to the larger question of antisemitism on campus.

Anti-Semitism on other campuses - Mick - 04-27-2015

UCLA: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/opinions/kosmin-anti-semitism-campus/

Blowback against Israel advocacy:
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/blowback-orchestrated-advocacy

If you're against Israel, you're anti-Semitic, ipso facto.  Here' are the ten most anti-Semitic campuses:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/10-worst-anti-semitic-campuses.  Quite a mix.  Several Ivies, several CSU's, several others:

1.    Columbia University
2.    Cornell University
3.    George Mason University
4.    Loyola University Chicago
5.    Portland State University
6.    San Diego State University
7.    San Francisco State University
8.    Temple University
9.    University of California Los Angeles
10.  Vassar College

More at the UC's, including UC-Berk in 2002 and UC Irvine in 2005 and 2009, with references to Brown, UC Santa Cruz, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universities_and_antisemitism#United_States



Re: Anti-Semitism on other campuses - terry - 04-27-2015

(04-27-2015, 04:47 PM)Mick link Wrote:If you're against Israel, you're anti-Semitic, ipso facto. 

What does "against Israel" mean?