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RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - 82lsju - 07-29-2021
Quote:No. 1 high school QB recruit may skip senior season, enroll at Ohio State to profit off NIL
he is already 18 so he'll be the same age as most frosh if he enrolls this fall, in any case I'm sure he'd enroll in Jan 2022 at the latest
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/no-1-hs-qb-quinn-ewers-skip-senior-season-enroll-ohio-state-profit-nil?fbclid=IwAR2j-dz440hpACi3qiT1zAAueYVG1l65G-PbP2k_s4MmvTl8rLJYVmwvR-Y
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - 2006alum - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 08:29 AM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:No. 1 high school QB recruit may skip senior season, enroll at Ohio State to profit off NIL
he is already 18 so he'll be the same age as most frosh if he enrolls this fall, in any case I'm sure he'd enroll in Jan 2022 at the latest
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/no-1-hs-qb-quinn-ewers-skip-senior-season-enroll-ohio-state-profit-nil?fbclid=IwAR2j-dz440hpACi3qiT1zAAueYVG1l65G-PbP2k_s4MmvTl8rLJYVmwvR-Y
Honestly why even pretend these athletic departments are even loosely associated with the "student" part of student-athlete. Just make it a professional league loosely affiliated with a university and get this whole sham over with - it's clearly headed that direction anyway.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - magnus - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 08:29 AM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:No. 1 high school QB recruit may skip senior season, enroll at Ohio State to profit off NIL
he is already 18 so he'll be the same age as most frosh if he enrolls this fall, in any case I'm sure he'd enroll in Jan 2022 at the latest
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/no-1-hs-qb-quinn-ewers-skip-senior-season-enroll-ohio-state-profit-nil?fbclid=IwAR2j-dz440hpACi3qiT1zAAueYVG1l65G-PbP2k_s4MmvTl8rLJYVmwvR-Y
If he's already 18, I wonder if that means he got "red-shirted" for sports. Interesting way to catch back up to your intended classmates.
Then again, maybe he got red-shirted for a different reason since the article says his parents want him to stay in school.
Quote:Ewers’ parents, Curtis and Kristen, want Quinn to stay in school
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - M T - 07-29-2021
Quote:Ewers’ parents, Curtis and Kristen, want Quinn to stay in school, but the state’s UIL informed the family that if he made money off his name, image, and likeness, it would violate the state’s legislation on NIL. Ewers wouldn’t be able to sign with any companies until he is done playing sports in high school.
Hmm... I like "stay in school" meaning to stay in high school. It suggests they know what will happen when he goes NIL and plays football for some university.
I expect he can make money off his name, image, likeness, but then can't play football or other sports in high school under the state legislation. Heck, he might even go from BOMC to being ostracized if he quits the high school team and stayed in high school, earning NIL.
I thought it was interesting that there was no mention as to whether he would graduate from high school, or whether a failure to graduate would impact his enrollment at whatever University that wants him.
Edit: At the end, it does say he needs only 1 online English class to graduate. Elsewhere I read that he gets good grades.
Did the courts rule that the NCAA can no longer require passing classes as part of eligibility for playing sports? Or did they find that any impairment of their right to get paid would be illegal? I might have missed the severing of the link of education to playing for a educational institution.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - Phogge - 07-29-2021
I guess the rule about boosters is about over. How about some rich Stanford alums hire five star recruits to mow their lawn for twenty grand a month?
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - 82lsju - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 06:32 PM)M T Wrote:Quote:Ewers’ parents, Curtis and Kristen, want Quinn to stay in school, but the state’s UIL informed the family that if he made money off his name, image, and likeness, it would violate the state’s legislation on NIL. Ewers wouldn’t be able to sign with any companies until he is done playing sports in high school.
Hmm... I like "stay in school" meaning to stay in high school. It suggests they know what will happen when he goes NIL and plays football for some university.
I expect he can make money off his name, image, likeness, but then can't play football or other sports in high school under the state legislation. Heck, he might even go from BOMC to being ostracized if he quits the high school team and stayed in high school, earning NIL.
I thought it was interesting that there was no mention as to whether he would graduate from high school, or whether a failure to graduate would impact his enrollment at whatever University that wants him.
Edit: At the end, it does say he needs only 1 online English class to graduate. Elsewhere I read that he gets good grades.
Did the courts rule that the NCAA can no longer require passing classes as part of eligibility for playing sports? Or did they find that any impairment of their right to get paid would be illegal? I might have missed the severing of the link of education to playing for a educational institution.
so he can "go Pro" at tOSU now or in Jan 2022, not sure how much waiting three months costs him (well unless he has a terrible injury), and if he enrolls now he'll burn a year of eligibility (probably a redshirt year this season) vs enrolling in Jan 2022. And if he has to complete the on-line English course he may end up reporting later than the other incoming Frosh (I have no idea how on-line course work, maybe he can essentially test out of it in one day).....of course tOSU has two four star and one five star QB on their roster now so if Ewers does who up this fall how many of transfer....
and how long before NIL trickles down to high school football, especially in Texas where some schools draw tens of thousands of people to each game......
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - teejers1 - 07-29-2021
(07-29-2021, 07:09 PM)82lsju Wrote:(07-29-2021, 06:32 PM)M T Wrote:Quote:Ewers’ parents, Curtis and Kristen, want Quinn to stay in school, but the state’s UIL informed the family that if he made money off his name, image, and likeness, it would violate the state’s legislation on NIL. Ewers wouldn’t be able to sign with any companies until he is done playing sports in high school.
Hmm... I like "stay in school" meaning to stay in high school. It suggests they know what will happen when he goes NIL and plays football for some university.
I expect he can make money off his name, image, likeness, but then can't play football or other sports in high school under the state legislation. Heck, he might even go from BOMC to being ostracized if he quits the high school team and stayed in high school, earning NIL.
I thought it was interesting that there was no mention as to whether he would graduate from high school, or whether a failure to graduate would impact his enrollment at whatever University that wants him.
Edit: At the end, it does say he needs only 1 online English class to graduate. Elsewhere I read that he gets good grades.
Did the courts rule that the NCAA can no longer require passing classes as part of eligibility for playing sports? Or did they find that any impairment of their right to get paid would be illegal? I might have missed the severing of the link of education to playing for a educational institution.
so he can "go Pro" at tOSU now or in Jan 2022, not sure how much waiting three months costs him (well unless he has a terrible injury), and if he enrolls now he'll burn a year of eligibility (probably a redshirt year this season) vs enrolling in Jan 2022. And if he has to complete the on-line English course he may end up reporting later than the other incoming Frosh (I have no idea how on-line course work, maybe he can essentially test out of it in one day).....of course tOSU has two four star and one five star QB on their roster now so if Ewers does who up this fall how many of transfer....
and how long before NIL trickles down to high school football, especially in Texas where some schools draw tens of thousands of people to each game......
With each new NIL story, buttressed by realignment talk, my confidence grows that Stanford will be out of major sports in 5 years . . . 8 years max.
I'm sure glad more "equity" was introduced into college sports . . . NOT!!
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - BostonCard - 07-29-2021
I don’t know about the timeframe, but I suspect you are probably right.
BC
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - chrisk - 07-29-2021
If the top 20+ schools aggresively pursue the monetization of football, the next 40+ schools can set up their own division. Stanford's recruiting would take some hit, but how many Stanford recruits are pursued by SEC schools?
The biggest impact would be on coaching salaries, but there would still be plenty of opportunity for TV exposure because the top 25 schools will not create enough games to satisfy the demand for live sports.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - gailtate - 07-30-2021
(07-29-2021, 11:09 PM)chrisk Wrote: If the top 20+ schools aggresively pursue the monetization of football, the next 40+ schools can set up their own division. Stanford's recruiting would take some hit, but how many Stanford recruits are pursued by SEC schools?
The biggest impact would be on coaching salaries, but there would still be plenty of opportunity for TV exposure because the top 25 schools will not create enough games to satisfy the demand for live sports.
And it puts Stanford out of contention for anything beyond Sun Bowl consideration. If that. Never thought The End Time apocalypse would arrive so suddenly at The Farm. Heckuva job, ESPN!
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - martyup - 07-30-2021
(07-29-2021, 06:56 PM)Phogge Wrote: I guess the rule about boosters is about over. How about some rich Stanford alums hire five star recruits to mow their lawn for twenty grand a month?
This would only be allowed if the booster takes a selfie on the lawn with the player. ;<)
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - Goose - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 08:25 AM)martyup Wrote:Yes, it would not be necessary for the player to mow the lawn. The usage of the image would be sufficient. Actually, a Zoom call would probably do, because you do get the image/likeness. Quite efficient.(07-29-2021, 06:56 PM)Phogge Wrote: I guess the rule about boosters is about over. How about some rich Stanford alums hire five star recruits to mow their lawn for twenty grand a month?
This would only be allowed if the booster takes a selfie on the lawn with the player. ;<)
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - OutsiderFan - 07-30-2021
Are y'all claiming Stanford isn't joining the move to pro college sports, basing your position on what you think should happen, or what you think Stanford wants?
It's hard for me to imagine Stanford, with its ginormous athletic department, willing to walk away from the massive dollars football can generate to fund them.
Has anyone heard or read directly from Stanford brass who the university feels about these matters?
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - teejers1 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 10:01 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Are y'all claiming Stanford isn't joining the move to pro college sports, basing your position on what you think should happen, or what you think Stanford wants?
It's hard for me to imagine Stanford, with its ginormous athletic department, willing to walk away from the massive dollars football can generate to fund them.
Has anyone heard or read directly from Stanford brass who the university feels about these matters?
No. No inside skinny at all. Just my gut take on how I think Stanford University will view disparately compensated athletes wearing the Cardinal uniform - i.e., not consistent with the mission of the university. And yes, that's my personal take, certainly.
Last point: I agree with the poster (here or on the Rivals site) who noted that Silicon Valley is just oozing gobs of money, and Stanford alums or affiliates or even just sports fans could put together some "NIL program" that would compensate Stanford student-athletes competitively with those at "factory schools." And you know what? I would oppose that, too.
Guess it's a good thing I'm not the one making the sports-related decisions for the university . . .
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - needle - 07-30-2021
It will be a scandal of some kind that will force the hand of higher ed in general to take some sort of meaningful action. But it is very hard for me to guess what action that will be. I do think that ultimately the NFL may become involved, perhaps offering incentives to CFB players to do things the
“right” (non-scandalous) way.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - ca245 - 07-30-2021
Another way in which the rich could get richer, especially in sports with fewer allowable scholarships than FB.
If a mega-star athlete has a 6- or 7-figure NIL package, that could easily dwarf the size of the scholarship package, especially at less expensive schools. The mega-star athlete could say, "Forget the scholarship; I am competing as a walk-on," allowing the school to use the scholarship for one more recruit.
For example, Sunisa Lee's NIL package will be brobdingnagian. If she tells Auburn she doesn't need the scholarship, then Augurn could field a WGym team of Sunisa + 12 scholarship gymnasts, instead of Sunisa + 11 scholarship gymnasts (women's gymnastics being a head-count sport with a 12 scholarship limit). The possibility of competing on the same team as Sunisa and having an extra scholarship to offer could go a long way in recruiting a super team.
(Assuming the SC decision doesn't make limits on the number of scholarships/sport illegal.)
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - DC 86 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 05:29 PM)ca245 Wrote: Another way in which the rich could get richer, especially in sports with fewer allowable scholarships than FB.
If a mega-star athlete has a 6- or 7-figure NIL package, that could easily dwarf the size of the scholarship package, especially at less expensive schools. The mega-star athlete could say, "Forget the scholarship; I am competing as a walk-on," allowing the school to use the scholarship for one more recruit.
For example, Sunisa Lee's NIL package will be of immense proportions. If she tells Auburn she doesn't need the scholarship, then Augurn could field a WGym team of Sunisa + 12 scholarship gymnasts, instead of Sunisa + 11 scholarship gymnasts (women's gymnastics being a head-count sport with a 12 scholarship limit). The possibility of competing on the same team as Sunisa and having an extra scholarship to offer could go a long way in recruiting a super team.
(Assuming the SC decision doesn't make limits on the number of scholarships/sport illegal.)
It's possible but extremely unlikely. Is a teenager going to pay $100,000 to $250,000 just to make their team marginally stronger?
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - CowboyIndian - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 05:38 PM)DC 86 Wrote: It's possible but extremely unlikely. Is a teenager going to pay $100,000 to $250,000 just to make their team marginally stronger?
The teenager might not do it but a booster certainly could....and would. Pay a player for NIL as long as they use the money for tuition, etc. and pay them a nice stipend to do so.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - chrisk - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 08:10 AM)gailtate Wrote:(07-29-2021, 11:09 PM)chrisk Wrote: If the top 20+ schools aggresively pursue the monetization of football, the next 40+ schools can set up their own division. Stanford's recruiting would take some hit, but how many Stanford recruits are pursued by SEC schools?
The biggest impact would be on coaching salaries, but there would still be plenty of opportunity for TV exposure because the top 25 schools will not create enough games to satisfy the demand for live sports.
And it puts Stanford out of contention for anything beyond Sun Bowl consideration. If that. Never thought The End Time apocalypse would arrive so suddenly at The Farm. Heckuva job, ESPN!
You don’t think the Rose Bowl would be loyal to the PAC-12 and/or Big 10? It is hard to imagine it being controlled by the SEC. You may be overestimating the number of teams that are willing to go “pro”. Would there really be more than 25 schools willing to participate in that model and be successful. The majority of FBS schools could survive well with the current model just by downsizing coaching salaries to accommodate lower TV revenues. The “pro” schools can only control so many players and TV slots.
RE: OT: The rich getting richer in college football - DC 86 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 05:50 PM)CowboyIndian Wrote:(07-30-2021, 05:38 PM)DC 86 Wrote: It's possible but extremely unlikely. Is a teenager going to pay $100,000 to $250,000 just to make their team marginally stronger?
The teenager might not do it but a booster certainly could....and would. Pay a player for NIL as long as they use the money for tuition, etc. and pay them a nice stipend to do so.
That's a different scenario but plausible. One of the arguments for why NIL doesn't dramatically change the landscape for top schools is that teams like Alabama and Ohio State are already bumping up against the 25/85 limits with all 4- and 5-stars. But if a booster could arrange for an armada of compensated walk-ons then they could create a devastatingly deep squad, although one wonders if players would sign up if there is that much depth at their position.