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RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - Hurlburt88 - 04-25-2021
In passing this morning I heard Keyshawn Johnson on ESPN talking about the Bears possibly being interested in Davis Mills if they don't take a QB in the first round. Wonder what Winflop thinks of that?
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - PVTree - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 08:54 AM)Hurlburt88 Wrote: In passing this morning I heard Keyshawn Johnson on ESPN talking about the Bears possibly being interested in Davis Mills if they don't take a QB in the first round. Wonder what Winflop thinks of that?
Don't know about Winflop, but being originally from Chicago myself, I'm all for Mills joining DA Bears!
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - winflop - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 08:54 AM)Hurlburt88 Wrote: In passing this morning I heard Keyshawn Johnson on ESPN talking about the Bears possibly being interested in Davis Mills if they don't take a QB in the first round. Wonder what Winflop thinks of that?
I'd love to see Mills in navy & orange! Equally important is to NOT see him in purple & white or green & yellow.
Da Bearssss have needed more Stanford players for a long time. It pained me to see Gerhart, Montgomery, and others playing for the Vikings and the Packers. I couldn't root for them at all! Vaughters was on Da Bearssss last year which was nice (he was previously a Packer).
I believe Da Bearsss pick 20th in the second round (#52 overall). Mills could still be there but he might not if his stock keeps rising.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - OutsiderFan - 04-25-2021
I have a question to y'all... What would be more reckless and/or risky for the Niners?
1. Not trading 3 first round picks and drafting Davis Mills #12.
2. Trading 3 first round picks to draft Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones or Zach Wilson #3.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - Goose - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 06:28 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have a question to y'all... What would be more reckless and/or risky for the Niners?I don't know what would be more reckless or risky, but I do know that the optics of taking Mills at #12 as the QB of the future would be so unpopular that the Niners couldn't do it even if they wanted to do so. Mills may turn out to be a starting NFL QB, but right now the public perception isn't leaning that way. It would be arguable that the Niners could get him in a later round and "wasting" a #1 pick on speculation is bad business. Going that route just isn't possible.
1. Not trading 3 first round picks and drafting Davis Mills #12.
2. Trading 3 first round picks to draft Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones or Zach Wilson #3.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - PVTree - 04-25-2021
After taking Solomon Thomas at #3 and picking Mills at #12, if Davis were to not evolve into a better QB than Jimmy G by season 2, John Lynch would be severely questioned and asked to remove his Cardinal-colored glasses.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - SamuelMcF - 04-25-2021
(04-25-2021, 10:38 PM)PVTree Wrote: After taking Solomon Thomas at #3 and picking Mills at #12, if Davis were to not evolve into a better QB than Jimmy G by season 2, John Lynch would be severely questioned and asked to remove his Cardinal-colored glasses.
Solly was universally mocked in the top 10 before the draft. Mills is very much not in that echelon.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - BostonCard - 04-26-2021
(04-25-2021, 07:47 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-25-2021, 06:28 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have a question to y'all... What would be more reckless and/or risky for the Niners?I don't know what would be more reckless or risky, but I do know that the optics of taking Mills at #12 as the QB of the future would be so unpopular that the Niners couldn't do it even if they wanted to do so. Mills may turn out to be a starting NFL QB, but right now the public perception isn't leaning that way. It would be arguable that the Niners could get him in a later round and "wasting" a #1 pick on speculation is bad business. Going that route just isn't possible.
1. Not trading 3 first round picks and drafting Davis Mills #12.
2. Trading 3 first round picks to draft Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones or Zach Wilson #3.
If you take a player high in the draft who is widely expected to high in the draft, and the player is a bust, the perception will be that it was the player's fault for not living up to the hype. If you take a player high in the draft above where they were projected, and the player is a bust, the perception is that it will be the GM's fault for mis-evaluating the talent.
You are probably better off trading the 12th pick down and picking Mills lower in the draft.
BC
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - Goose - 04-26-2021
(04-26-2021, 08:54 AM)BostonCard Wrote: If you take a player high in the draft who is widely expected to high in the draft, and the player is a bust, the perception will be that it was the player's fault for not living up to the hype. If you take a player high in the draft above where they were projected, and the player is a bust, the perception is that it will be the GM's fault for mis-evaluating the talent.Exactly so.
You are probably better off trading the 12th pick down and picking Mills lower in the draft.
BC
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - Phogge - 04-26-2021
LOL the draft.
They try to be scientific but it's really a crapshoot and something to hype in the off season. I try not to get excited until I expose my last shot of each season.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - CardinalSagehen - 04-28-2021
Here's a long article from today on Davis Mills' rising draft prospects:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/the-sixth-man-is-quarterback-davis-mills-the-sleeper-of-this-years-draft-150954516.html
His QB coach is so heavily quoted that the article almost seems planted! But Davis certainly crushed his pro day and has a high ceiling.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - Farm93 - 04-28-2021
(04-26-2021, 01:04 PM)Phogge Wrote: LOL the draft.
They try to be scientific but it's really a crapshoot and something to hype in the off season. I try not to get excited until I expose my last shot of each season.
There are a few too many franchises that are identified as good at the draft after selecting one or two 4th-7th rounders that turn into all-pros. Most seem incapable of replicating that type of success over time, so I agree that to win by using draft science seems like a questionable strategy.
However, there are a few franchises out there that are consistently bad at getting their picks to come close to expectations. The NY Jets top that list.
Recently the NFL has soured on USC QBs as their hype and headlines coming out of college have not really resulted in consistent winning and/or Super Bowl appearances. So THAT Draft science I am happy to support. ;)
lex24 - lex24 - 04-28-2021
(04-25-2021, 07:47 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-25-2021, 06:28 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have a question to y'all... What would be more reckless and/or risky for the Niners?I don't know what would be more reckless or risky, but I do know that the optics of taking Mills at #12 as the QB of the future would be so unpopular that the Niners couldn't do it even if they wanted to do so. Mills may turn out to be a starting NFL QB, but right now the public perception isn't leaning that way. It would be arguable that the Niners could get him in a later round and "wasting" a #1 pick on speculation is bad business. Going that route just isn't possible.
1. Not trading 3 first round picks and drafting Davis Mills #12.
2. Trading 3 first round picks to draft Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones or Zach Wilson #3.
If you don’t have guts, you don’t deserve to be running a pro sports franchise.
Look at 1-12 as it existed prior to the Niners moving up. There were about 7 teams ahead of them that potentially wanted QB’s. And 3or 4 behind them that did. By jumping to 3, Niners control as best they can who they get. Had they sat as 12, the likelihood is all 5 would have been gone. And the clear consensus is there is a significant drop off after 5. Sure, the Niners could have waited. Then they would have seen 4 QBs come off quick. Someone like Carolina would have jumped to 3. Atlanta is then in great position to either pick a QB if they liked one, or trade. (Although, good chance they take Pitts) Denver also would have picked a QB. At 9. And Detroit a good possibility at 7. Plus NE at 15 was a threat to move. So.... had they waited, and only Jones was left, there still would have been a high price to move up. If they think Jones is all that, moving to 3 makes sense. By doing it early, they get a lot of time to evaluate.
Still, I hope they pick Lance.....
No way you draft Mills at 12. I’m a big Mills fan. But his injury history is too much to pick him at 12. 30 maybe. So the real question is would it have been better to move down and pick Mills.
(04-28-2021, 12:45 PM)Farm93 Wrote:(04-26-2021, 01:04 PM)Phogge Wrote: LOL the draft.
They try to be scientific but it's really a crapshoot and something to hype in the off season. I try not to get excited until I expose my last shot of each season.
There are a few too many franchises that are identified as good at the draft after selecting one or two 4th-7th rounders that turn into all-pros. Most seem incapable of replicating that type of success over time, so I agree that to win by using draft science seems like a questionable strategy.
However, there are a few franchises out there that are consistently bad at getting their picks to come close to expectations. The NY Jets top that list.
Recently the NFL has soured on USC QBs as their hype and headlines coming out of college have not really resulted in consistent winning and/or Super Bowl appearances. So THAT Draft science I am happy to support. ;)
I think the next SC QB to play in the SB will be the first..... Same for tOSU I believe.
Stanford should have had 3. But F——-ng Preston Riley.....
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - OutsiderFan - 04-28-2021
And everyone will be shocked to know Cal has had the most starting QBs of any school:
1. Joe Kapp
2. Craig Morton
3. Vince Ferragamo
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Jared Goff
Of course, out of all those starts, only one trophy.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - BostonCard - 04-28-2021
Rogers considers himself an alum of Butte Community College.
BC
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - Mick - 04-29-2021
(04-26-2021, 08:54 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-25-2021, 07:47 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-25-2021, 06:28 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have a question to y'all... What would be more reckless and/or risky for the Niners?I don't know what would be more reckless or risky, but I do know that the optics of taking Mills at #12 as the QB of the future would be so unpopular that the Niners couldn't do it even if they wanted to do so. Mills may turn out to be a starting NFL QB, but right now the public perception isn't leaning that way. It would be arguable that the Niners could get him in a later round and "wasting" a #1 pick on speculation is bad business. Going that route just isn't possible.
1. Not trading 3 first round picks and drafting Davis Mills #12.
2. Trading 3 first round picks to draft Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones or Zach Wilson #3.
If you take a player high in the draft who is widely expected to high in the draft, and the player is a bust, the perception will be that it was the player's fault for not living up to the hype. If you take a player high in the draft above where they were projected, and the player is a bust, the perception is that it will be the GM's fault for mis-evaluating the talent.
You are probably better off trading the 12th pick down and picking Mills lower in the draft.
BC
First year of Lynch Shanahan, they lost their first nine games, but six of those losses were by three points or less. Garoppolo comes in and wins five straight, he gets a big contract. Year two, he gets ACL injury, they go 4-12 -- but they still have talent. Year three, they're in the Super Bowl and come very close to winning it. Year four, Garoppolo is a gimp and they go 6-10 again.
So they've had three bad years out of four, and yes, Baalke left it a mess and they had bad luck, but now it's year five...and they have six year contracts. They can't build for the future. They can't take chances. They need the most pro-ready QB now, so, they're going to swallow hard and pretend that Mac Jones is Drew Brees.
Welcome to the Mac Jones era. Be interesting to see how Fields and Lance turn out.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - winflop - 04-29-2021
(04-28-2021, 02:51 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: And everyone will be shocked to know Cal has had the most starting QBs of any school:
1. Joe Kapp
2. Craig Morton
3. Vince Ferragamo
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Jared Goff
Of course, out of all those starts, only one trophy.
And only one Rose Bowl appearance #59ers
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - 82lsju - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 08:33 AM)winflop Wrote:(04-28-2021, 02:51 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: And everyone will be shocked to know Cal has had the most starting QBs of any school:
1. Joe Kapp
2. Craig Morton
3. Vince Ferragamo
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Jared Goff
Of course, out of all those starts, only one trophy.
And only one Rose Bowl appearance #59ers
#38ers for their last RB win...
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - lex24 - 04-29-2021
(04-28-2021, 03:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Rogers considers himself an alum of Butte Community College.
BC
Rogers seems like somewhat of a jerk. I get he was loyal to Tedford But Cal worked out pretty well for him.
(04-29-2021, 06:24 AM)Mick Wrote:(04-26-2021, 08:54 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-25-2021, 07:47 PM)Goose Wrote:(04-25-2021, 06:28 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I have a question to y'all... What would be more reckless and/or risky for the Niners?I don't know what would be more reckless or risky, but I do know that the optics of taking Mills at #12 as the QB of the future would be so unpopular that the Niners couldn't do it even if they wanted to do so. Mills may turn out to be a starting NFL QB, but right now the public perception isn't leaning that way. It would be arguable that the Niners could get him in a later round and "wasting" a #1 pick on speculation is bad business. Going that route just isn't possible.
1. Not trading 3 first round picks and drafting Davis Mills #12.
2. Trading 3 first round picks to draft Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Mac Jones or Zach Wilson #3.
If you take a player high in the draft who is widely expected to high in the draft, and the player is a bust, the perception will be that it was the player's fault for not living up to the hype. If you take a player high in the draft above where they were projected, and the player is a bust, the perception is that it will be the GM's fault for mis-evaluating the talent.
You are probably better off trading the 12th pick down and picking Mills lower in the draft.
BC
First year of Lynch Shanahan, they lost their first nine games, but six of those losses were by three points or less. Garoppolo comes in and wins five straight, he gets a big contract. Year two, he gets ACL injury, they go 4-12 -- but they still have talent. Year three, they're in the Super Bowl and come very close to winning it. Year four, Garoppolo is a gimp and they go 6-10 again.
So they've had three bad years out of four, and yes, Baalke left it a mess and they had bad luck, but now it's year five...and they have six year contracts. They can't build for the future. They can't take chances. They need the most pro-ready QB now, so, they're going to swallow hard and pretend that Mac Jones is Drew Brees.
Welcome to the Mac Jones era. Be interesting to see how Fields and Lance turn out.
Maybe he is the second coming of Brees. Who the F knows. Certainly not us. Shanahan is a systems guy. Jones fits his system. Let’s give the kid a chance before we trash him.
RE: Davis Mills a 1st round pick? - old spanish trail - 04-29-2021
(04-28-2021, 11:52 AM)CardinalSagehen Wrote: Here's a long article from today on Davis Mills' rising draft prospects:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/the-sixth-man-is-quarterback-davis-mills-the-sleeper-of-this-years-draft-150954516.html
His QB coach is so heavily quoted that the article almost seems planted! But Davis certainly crushed his pro day and has a high ceiling.
All I know from watching the two pro days, Mills' day was decidedly better than Jones'