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Re: Realignment talk - Extra Point - 09-13-2011

"Am I alone in worrying Texas would be poison for the Pac 12?"

No!

Anyone who thinks Texas is a good idea should check out the posts on the Big 12 messages boards. The Texas AD has personally destroyed the Big 12. The term poison is too mild for him.



Re: Realignment talk - oman - 09-13-2011

(09-13-2011, 11:46 AM)Leftcoast link Wrote:1)  The meeting was IN NORMAN and included the UT President.  Reading the tea leaves Texas is feeling pressured by the Oklahoma moves and, for once, is reacting to a Big 12 partner move as opposed to making their own waves and waiting for the Big 12 to come to them.  No mention of the Big 12 commissioner participating.

So the whole Nebraska leaving first and Texas and Oklahoma trying to keep the B12 together and then A&M leaving and Texas trying to keep the thing together was just a figment of someone's imagination?

Quote:If Texas must join the Pac 12 I hope we get a chastened Longhorn nation with new understanding of the benefits of conference membership and a partner that isn't looking for a new venue in which to seek world domination (or at least the NCAA portion of it!)

Yes, the Pac10, sorry, Pac12 is not intersted at all in being anything other than a comfy, staid recreational league.


Re: Realignment talk - oman - 09-13-2011

(09-13-2011, 12:15 PM)fullmetal link Wrote:I don't think the Texas/Oklahoma addition fits the culture of the Pac-12 at all, and while it wouldn't kill the Pac-12, it'll certainly water it down.

Based on the We're No. 5 thread, it looks like the Pac12 could use some of Texas' academic reputation.

Honestly, what do you mean by "culturally"?  Intuitively, Stanford is the only one that is different, and interestingly, Stanford and Texas have historically two of the most successful programs.  UT is very culturally similar to all the state universities in the Pac12.

Quote:That Longhorn Network sure was worth it.

You can make that call now?

Re: Realignment talk - Leftcoast - 09-13-2011

Okay, Oman, maybe we just don't get it.  Why do you think the other Big 12 member schools are so anxious to leave a competitive, profitable league?  To the outside world it sure looks like Texas skipped the week they taught "playing well with others" in kindergarten.

The PAC 10/12 member schools (even the University of Spoiled Children) understand they all prosper if the league is strong.  Think David Ricardo in an athletic sphere.  Texas, on the other hand, seems to fundamentally treat the Big 12 as a zero sum game where they only can prosper at the expense of Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Colorado.  Is it any wonder those schools want to flee?

Academically Texas is top notch.  Competitively Texas is top notch.  They'd bring millions of eyeballs to the PAC 12 network.

I still don't want 'em unless they embrace the Pac 12 credo that the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. 

Our conference commissioner may feel differently.

Re: Realignment talk - oman - 09-13-2011

(09-13-2011, 10:38 PM)Leftcoast link Wrote:Okay, Oman, maybe we just don't get it.  Why do you think the other Big 12 member schools are so anxious to leave a competitive, profitable league?  To the outside world it sure looks like Texas skipped the week they taught "playing well with others" in kindergarten.

Well, maybe the outside world is satisfied with reading Big12 bulletin boards.  I'd expect the outside world to be a bit more pragmatic in their approach to the facts, and the salient facts are that Nebraska and A&M and Colorado jumped ship.  Now if you have a nice link that shows that Texas didn't play well with others, go ahead.  I am no expert.  It's easier to blame the biggest fish I guess. 

Quote:The PAC 10/12 member schools (even the University of Spoiled Children) understand they all prosper if the league is strong.  Think David Ricardo in an athletic sphere.  Texas seems to fundamentally treat the Big 12 as a zero sum game where they only can prosper at the expense of Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, Texas A&M and Colorado.

Based on what?

Quote: Is it any wonder those schools want to flea?

I am sure they all had very different reasons for wanting to flee.  Not least of which are actual borders with states that have schools in other conferences.  Not least of which may be a better fit. 

And not least of which may be the Longhorn Network, but given that Nebraska was seeking its own deal and A&M was allegedly offered to go along with Texas in the early stages, it is hard to know who was the bigger player in making the network the villian.

Quote:I still don't want 'em unless they embrace the Pac 12 credo that the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. 

I am just curious why you simply can't turn this around and say that the folks who left the Big12 should have felt the same way.

Quote:Our conference commissioner may feel differently.

The Colorado and Utah moves would indicate that.

I think the best reason for not letting OU or Texas in is that they would fandamentally alter the current rivalries -- they are both extremely large and lucrative programs.  The financial deal would get worked out.  But culturally?  Or ethically?  I think that is a stretch. 

Re: Realignment talk - oman - 09-14-2011

Meh.  I am going to wait until something actually happens before I pop off about this.

Re: Realignment talk - Pastor - 09-14-2011

I'd like to have the Pac-10 back please.

Podcast by Mike Tirico with a former Big East commish on the woes of expansion and what we're losing.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6969654


Re: Realignment talk - Farm93 - 09-15-2011

(09-14-2011, 11:54 PM)Pastor link Wrote:I'd like to have the Pac-10 back please.

Podcast by Mike Tirico with a former Big East commish on the woes of expansion and what we're losing.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=6969654

If alignment continues to go this way you will get to be even more old school and get the Pac-8 back.  Give it 10 more years and I would guess the PacMtn-16 could turn into the PacMtn-20.  And THEN you would have the Pac10 back. 

Re: Realignment talk - Kathy - 09-15-2011

(09-14-2011, 11:54 PM)Pastor link Wrote:I'd like to have the Pac-10 back please.

I've never accepted the changes to the Pac-8.  :(

Re: Realignment talk - washingtonismoney - 09-15-2011

I've long favored the recreation of the PCC.

Re: Oklahoma regents agenda item for Mon 19 Sept (subject to change) - 82lsju - 09-15-2011

AGENDA ITEM 28

ISSUE: CONFERENCE ALIGNMENT – NC

ACTION PROPOSED:

The Board of Regents will discuss potential legal ramifications of athletic conference realignment options and/or consider new athletic conference membership and take any appropriate action. An executive session may be proposed pursuant to Section 307B.4 of the Oklahoma Open Meetings Act.