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Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - fullmetal - 10-03-2016
CTCard: there are ways you can structure your playcalling to suit your personnel strengths and mask your personnel weaknesses. It does not seem as if the coaching staff was prepared to do the latter once their forecast of personnel strengths was blown out of the water. Everyone's got a plan til they get punched in the mouth...the coaches took this one to the chin as much as the players did. In fact, you might say that the players endured some amount of unnecessarily suffering because of the coaching staff (think they could have pulled Hall from LT sooner?).
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - fullmetal - 10-03-2016
CTCard: there are ways you can structure your playcalling to suit your personnel strengths and mask your personnel weaknesses. It does not seem as if the coaching staff was prepared to do the latter once their forecast of personnel strengths was blown out of the water. Everyone's got a plan til they get punched in the mouth...the coaches took this one to the chin as much as the players did. In fact, you might say that the players endured some amount of unnecessarily suffering because of the coaching staff (think they could have pulled Hall from LT sooner?).
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - CTcard - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 12:14 PM)fullmetal link Wrote:CTCard: there are ways you can structure your playcalling to suit your personnel strengths and mask your personnel weaknesses. It does not seem as if the coaching staff was prepared to do the latter once their forecast of personnel strengths was blown out of the water. Everyone's got a plan til they get punched in the mouth...the coaches took this one to the chin as much as the players did. In fact, you might say that the players endured some amount of unnecessarily suffering because of the coaching staff (think they could have pulled Hall from LT sooner?).
Generically, there certainly are ways to play to your strengths and away from your weaknesses. In the UW game in particular, I did not see any strengths to play to. Clever play calling does not take a team from not competing to a close game.Â
I am pretty sure that if Hall were moved from LT sooner, then somebody else would have been run over repeatedly.
By the way, I have been trying to block much of the carnage from my consciousness, was Hall moved when Tucker got injured?
(perhaps already discussed in the threads I have missed?)
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - CTcard - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 12:14 PM)fullmetal link Wrote:CTCard: there are ways you can structure your playcalling to suit your personnel strengths and mask your personnel weaknesses. It does not seem as if the coaching staff was prepared to do the latter once their forecast of personnel strengths was blown out of the water. Everyone's got a plan til they get punched in the mouth...the coaches took this one to the chin as much as the players did. In fact, you might say that the players endured some amount of unnecessarily suffering because of the coaching staff (think they could have pulled Hall from LT sooner?).
Generically, there certainly are ways to play to your strengths and away from your weaknesses. In the UW game in particular, I did not see any strengths to play to. Clever play calling does not take a team from not competing to a close game.Â
I am pretty sure that if Hall were moved from LT sooner, then somebody else would have been run over repeatedly.
By the way, I have been trying to block much of the carnage from my consciousness, was Hall moved when Tucker got injured?
(perhaps already discussed in the threads I have missed?)
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - CTcard - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 10:40 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:This seems kind of silly to me, but how much of it is our schedule? Starting in 2011 we've been bad in even years and good in odd years, and not coincidentally in even years almost all our hard games are on the road, while the opposite is true in even years. Do we suck at traveling for some reason? It's obviously not 1:1 since we do lose at home sometimes, but it's worth asking if that plays a factor. And if it does, that's probably at least a bit on the staff.
I now see this issue came up in another thread. I hope what follows is not repeating too much.
I don't the ups and downs of the offense has much to do with playing poorly on the road. What is in most people's minds about the home/road split is that we tend to play our tougher opponents on the road in even years, at home in odd years. Since stats cover the whole season, you'd have to have a second order effect for that to matter. It is also true that lately we have played seven home games in odd years, six in even years. So, that might play in a bit, but I think the differences we have seen are much larger than one would expect from that variation. And, it just doesn't seem like the problems I have witnessed.
I see that in another thread WIM attributed this to experience of the OL. I would agree but add in experience (and state of) the QB. WIM ran down the ups and downs of the OL over those years, here is the same for the QBs.
We had,
2011 - Andrew Luck's last year = good.
2012 - struggled to find Luck's replacement = bad.
2013 - Hogan with some experience = better.
2014 - Hogan with a big personal burden (plus ill-suited offense) = bad.
2015 - Hogan as a fourth year starter = good.
Our offense clearly runs more formations than basically anybody else, has a brobdingnagian playbook, we do a ton of shuffling of personnel. Those things put substantial pressure on both the QB and the OL, and it seems that dealing with it well requires a lot of practice.
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - CTcard - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 10:40 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:This seems kind of silly to me, but how much of it is our schedule? Starting in 2011 we've been bad in even years and good in odd years, and not coincidentally in even years almost all our hard games are on the road, while the opposite is true in even years. Do we suck at traveling for some reason? It's obviously not 1:1 since we do lose at home sometimes, but it's worth asking if that plays a factor. And if it does, that's probably at least a bit on the staff.
I now see this issue came up in another thread. I hope what follows is not repeating too much.
I don't the ups and downs of the offense has much to do with playing poorly on the road. What is in most people's minds about the home/road split is that we tend to play our tougher opponents on the road in even years, at home in odd years. Since stats cover the whole season, you'd have to have a second order effect for that to matter. It is also true that lately we have played seven home games in odd years, six in even years. So, that might play in a bit, but I think the differences we have seen are much larger than one would expect from that variation. And, it just doesn't seem like the problems I have witnessed.
I see that in another thread WIM attributed this to experience of the OL. I would agree but add in experience (and state of) the QB. WIM ran down the ups and downs of the OL over those years, here is the same for the QBs.
We had,
2011 - Andrew Luck's last year = good.
2012 - struggled to find Luck's replacement = bad.
2013 - Hogan with some experience = better.
2014 - Hogan with a big personal burden (plus ill-suited offense) = bad.
2015 - Hogan as a fourth year starter = good.
Our offense clearly runs more formations than basically anybody else, has a brobdingnagian playbook, we do a ton of shuffling of personnel. Those things put substantial pressure on both the QB and the OL, and it seems that dealing with it well requires a lot of practice.
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - BurgXXIII - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 01:19 PM)CTcard link Wrote:Our offense clearly runs more formations than basically anybody else, has a of exceedingly large proportions playbook, we do a ton of shuffling of personnel. Those things put substantial pressure on both the QB and the OL, and it seems that dealing with it well requires a lot of practice.
I am reminded of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark in which Indiana confronts the swordsman in Egypt. The swordsman executes a complex array of dazzling maneuvers which Indiana watches with amusement. You know what happens next.
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - BurgXXIII - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 01:19 PM)CTcard link Wrote:Our offense clearly runs more formations than basically anybody else, has a of exceedingly large proportions playbook, we do a ton of shuffling of personnel. Those things put substantial pressure on both the QB and the OL, and it seems that dealing with it well requires a lot of practice.
I am reminded of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark in which Indiana confronts the swordsman in Egypt. The swordsman executes a complex array of dazzling maneuvers which Indiana watches with amusement. You know what happens next.
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - CTcard - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 01:32 PM)BurgXXIII link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=15841.msg174663#msg174663 date=1475525987]
Our offense clearly runs more formations than basically anybody else, has a of exceedingly large proportions playbook, we do a ton of shuffling of personnel. Those things put substantial pressure on both the QB and the OL, and it seems that dealing with it well requires a lot of practice.
I am reminded of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark in which Indiana confronts the swordsman in Egypt. The swordsman executes a complex array of dazzling maneuvers which Indiana watches with amusement. You know what happens next.
[/quote]
Possibly so, but when it works it really is beautiful.
Not sure the swordsman was ever going to beat the pistol with those moves.
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - CTcard - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 01:32 PM)BurgXXIII link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=15841.msg174663#msg174663 date=1475525987]
Our offense clearly runs more formations than basically anybody else, has a of exceedingly large proportions playbook, we do a ton of shuffling of personnel. Those things put substantial pressure on both the QB and the OL, and it seems that dealing with it well requires a lot of practice.
I am reminded of the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark in which Indiana confronts the swordsman in Egypt. The swordsman executes a complex array of dazzling maneuvers which Indiana watches with amusement. You know what happens next.
[/quote]
Possibly so, but when it works it really is beautiful.
Not sure the swordsman was ever going to beat the pistol with those moves.
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - fullmetal - 10-03-2016
Actually, this reminds me--the WRs had some egregious drops. Not all of it is on Burns or the OL. Total team effort, one way or the other ::)
Re: On the Bootleg, This Argument Is Ongoing. What Say You All? - fullmetal - 10-03-2016
Actually, this reminds me--the WRs had some egregious drops. Not all of it is on Burns or the OL. Total team effort, one way or the other ::)