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Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - Leftcoast - 01-26-2016

Cam's an extraordinary athlete - a 6'5" inch QB that can rush like a power running back and also make accurate passes within a collapsing pocket.  This year his decision making and in-game leadership jumped to the next level.  Despite adapting defenses that caught up to his recent peers he's continued to succeed as Kaepernick, RG3, et al fell to the wayside.  We could be seeing a season for the ages.

It's not my favorite part of Newton's game but he's earned his celebrations fairly and I won't complain too much as long as they don't descend to taunting opponents.  Frankly, that was the line Sherman crossed with his NFC championship Crabtree rant. 

Many modern players don't want to "act like you've been there before" as Walter Payton suggested. The lines have moved and insisting on pushing them back to where they stood in the 80s would threaten my enjoyment of a great game and its greatest players. 

Of course your mileage may differ and reasonable fans may disagree without descending to name calling and insults.

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - FarmBoy - 01-26-2016

I don't hold it against Cam that he won the He.isman. I think he had a better season than Luck that year and "morality clause" notwithstanding, he deserved it. (Nothing was ever proved against him, right?) RG3's trophy, however, is a sham.

The NFL is theater. The actors need to emote or the crowds won't understand what's happening.

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - PrinceLightfoot - 01-26-2016

(01-26-2016, 03:20 AM)leftcoast link Wrote:Frankly, that was the line Sherman crossed with his NFC championship Crabtree rant. 

That rant is because of something Crabtree told Sherman at a charity event earlier that year. Sherman held a grudge against him ever sense and his passion to beat him (as well as knowing his play sent the Seahawks to the Superbowl) boiled over during that interview.

Cam's celebrations happen after a first down or a score; earned in my opinion.

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - Red State - 01-26-2016

What I'd like to see is for some of these NFL ass-clowns to get up and dance and pose after they fumbled, dropped passes, threw INTs, missed tackles, jumped offsides, ect...

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - stupac2 - 01-26-2016

(01-26-2016, 09:53 AM)Red State link Wrote:What I'd like to see is for some of these NFL ass-clowns to get up and dance and pose after they fumbled, dropped passes, threw INTs, missed tackles, jumped offsides, ect...

Why would you celebrate doing something bad? And why is celebrating making a great play reprehensible? Stanford's guys do it...

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - 76lsjumb - 01-26-2016

(01-26-2016, 09:55 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:... And why is celebrating making a great play reprehensible? Stanford's guys do it...

Nothing reprehensible about celebrating a great play.  However, some "celebrations" are of the "you can't spell T-E-A-M without M-E" or "my teammates couldn't do it without me" variety, while others are more of the "there's no 'I' in team" or "I couldn't do it without my teammates" variety.  I don't think it's hypocritical, pearl-clutching, or "seriously problematic" to prefer the latter over the former.  And, as for making kids smile, that's great; but I admire the players who do that in private just as much as [or even more than] those who do it on national TV when they know the spotlight is on them.

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - fullmetal - 01-26-2016

(01-25-2016, 04:22 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=fullmetal link=topic=14469.msg154278#msg154278 date=1453761100]
The specter of PEDs will hang over Peyton's head until otherwise disproven.

I really dislike that kind of thinking.  I don't care and don't know, but proving one's innocence shouldn't be required in this country, for anything.  The fact that someone is accused has nothing to do, in and of itself, with the matter of guilt.
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I think your last sentence is why many in the public will always think it's okay to presume such things about athletes accused of PED use (until proof otherwise is provided).  Also, proving your innocence is essentially required for a number of things in this country, and there's nothing we can do about that either.

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - Red State - 01-26-2016

(01-26-2016, 09:55 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=Red State link=topic=14469.msg154359#msg154359 date=1453827215]
What I'd like to see is for some of these NFL ass-clowns to get up and dance and pose after they fumbled, dropped passes, threw INTs, missed tackles, jumped offsides, ect...

Why would you celebrate doing something bad? And why is celebrating making a great play reprehensible? Stanford's guys do it...
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I have no problem with spiking the ball after a TD or even some of these ridiculous end zone celebrations. But let's face it, so many of these narcissistic clowns want the world to know how great they are simply for DOING THE JOB THAT THEY WERE PAID TO DO. Make a tackle? Pose. Catch a pass? Dance. Run for a 1st Down? Look into the crowd and nod your head. It's just stupid. If a player wants that much self recognition for just doing his job, then he should also be willing to do a humility dance for under-performing. That might rekindle my interest in the NFL.  ;D

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - BostonCard - 01-26-2016

Last I checked, the NFL is entertainment, and plenty of people find those celebrations entertaining.  The NFL has been nicknamed the "No Fun League" not because it has banished amazing plays but because of the prohibitions of celebrations.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/09/30/nfl-fun-league-forbidden-celebrations/16500055/

For what it is worth, it doesn't add anything to my enjoyment of the game, but I am not going to pass judgment on players who celebrate.

BC

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - ColoradoTree - 01-26-2016

I generally don't have a problem with the celebrations, though I do get a bit irked when an elaborate celebration is over a relatively routine play.  I think a sliding-scale rule of reason is generally appropriate.  Big TD celebrations?  Those are fun!  Touchdowns are important, so go nuts!  Nice open field tackle after a 5-yard gain on first down?  A high five or a helmet bump with some teammates feels fine for the nice tackle, but the guy still gained five yards, so no need to act like you just won the Super Bowl. 

Of course, on the extreme end of the excessive celebration spectrum is this play: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000431684/article/justin-tuck-saves-raiders-from-embarrassing-penalty

I think we can all agree that's absurd.  But for the most part, there aren't too many celebrations I see that cause me any grief. 

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - dabigv13 - 01-26-2016

I wish we had more Sharpies pulled out from goalposts, more dancing on the Dallas star, more snowballs thrown at Santa Claus. That stuff is memorable and entertaining.

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - Hank 91 - 01-26-2016

I love Cam Newton. There will always be a segment of the population who dislikes on field celebrations of any kind, but I don't think there's anything wrong with celebrating a big play, whether it's a touchdown or a first down or a sack or a deflected pass. Perhaps more than any player in the league, Newton is clearly having fun playing the game, and as many of mentioned -- how can you not love it when he gives a ball to the kid in the stands?

And then there's the issue of race. Sadly, we (as a culture) still can't get past that can we? One day, perhaps.

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - Mick - 01-26-2016

(01-26-2016, 03:02 AM)AthleticsDynasty link Wrote:[quote author=Extra Point link=topic=14469.msg154215#msg154215 date=1453743498]
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He's cocky and I wonder what his teammates really think about him,

Cam is way beyond cocky. There isn't a word in the English language that describes his grandiose super-human bow-down-to-me attitude.
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Thats most successful pro-athletes. I appreciate guys like Cam who are openly cocky over athletes who are just as cocky but pretend to be humble in front of the camera
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I always liked Darold Knowles' response when asked if Reggie Jackson was a hot-dog.  He said "There ain't enough mustard in the world to cover that guy."

Re: OT. Okay, I'm an old white guy, but good heavens. . . . - Mick - 01-26-2016

(01-26-2016, 09:53 AM)Red State link Wrote:What I'd like to see is for some of these NFL ass-clowns to get up and dance and pose after they fumbled, dropped passes, threw INTs, missed tackles, jumped offsides, ect...

Would you settle for the running backs who do a dance after they gain three yards, or DeSean Jackson celebrating before he hits the end zone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN9bDZ4ej_w