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RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 05:17 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 04:08 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants placed JD Davis on waivers.
Giants played 5 innings today. Pitchers gave up one walk and two hits in a 5-1 win over the A's.
New pickup Matt Chapman went 1 for 2 with a walk.
Stanford alum Austin Slater went 0 for 3 with 3 strikeouts.
Erstwhile reliever-turned-starter Jordan Hicks struck out six in three innings and allowed no hits and one walk.
Due to his salary, there is a good possibility that Davis may clear waivers and become a free agent.
His salary is less than $7 mms., so I think he'll actually get picked up. His OPS+ was 103 last year, but 113 for his career, and he is crushing it this spring. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Brewers, Padres and Yankees can all use him, among other teams. Maybe the Mets want him back. Incidentally, since JD beat the Giants in arbitration, his full salary is not guaranteed. My bet is the Mariners.
Be nice if he gets picked up, then the Giants can (hopefully) apply that $7 million towards getting Snell or Montgomery...
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-09-2024
(03-09-2024, 05:25 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:17 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 04:08 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants placed JD Davis on waivers.
Giants played 5 innings today. Pitchers gave up one walk and two hits in a 5-1 win over the A's.
New pickup Matt Chapman went 1 for 2 with a walk.
Stanford alum Austin Slater went 0 for 3 with 3 strikeouts.
Erstwhile reliever-turned-starter Jordan Hicks struck out six in three innings and allowed no hits and one walk.
Due to his salary, there is a good possibility that Davis may clear waivers and become a free agent.
His salary is less than $7 mms., so I think he'll actually get picked up. His OPS+ was 103 last year, but 113 for his career, and he is crushing it this spring. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Brewers, Padres and Yankees can all use him, among other teams. Maybe the Mets want him back. Incidentally, since JD beat the Giants in arbitration, his full salary is not guaranteed. My bet is the Mariners.
Be nice if he gets picked up, then the Giants can (hopefully) apply that $7 million towards getting Snell or Montgomery...
My understanding…
If he is claimed, the claiming team is on the hook for his $6.9M salary. If he is unclaimed, SF pays a portion of the $6.9M as a termination fee and Davis becomes a free agent with the ability to negotiate a new contract.
Why would a team claim him at $6.9M if they believe they can sign him as a free agent for considerably less money? Obviously, a claim is a guarantee but teams interested in him may be a willing to gamble to get him at a better price.
Regardless, it won’t be long before we find out the answer……..
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-10-2024
(03-09-2024, 06:38 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:25 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:17 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 04:08 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants placed JD Davis on waivers.
Giants played 5 innings today. Pitchers gave up one walk and two hits in a 5-1 win over the A's.
New pickup Matt Chapman went 1 for 2 with a walk.
Stanford alum Austin Slater went 0 for 3 with 3 strikeouts.
Erstwhile reliever-turned-starter Jordan Hicks struck out six in three innings and allowed no hits and one walk.
Due to his salary, there is a good possibility that Davis may clear waivers and become a free agent.
His salary is less than $7 mms., so I think he'll actually get picked up. His OPS+ was 103 last year, but 113 for his career, and he is crushing it this spring. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Brewers, Padres and Yankees can all use him, among other teams. Maybe the Mets want him back. Incidentally, since JD beat the Giants in arbitration, his full salary is not guaranteed. My bet is the Mariners.
Be nice if he gets picked up, then the Giants can (hopefully) apply that $7 million towards getting Snell or Montgomery...
My understanding…
If he is claimed, the claiming team is on the hook for his $6.9M salary. If he is unclaimed, SF pays a portion of the $6.9M as a termination fee and Davis becomes a free agent with the ability to negotiate a new contract.
Why would a team claim him at $6.9M if they believe they can sign him as a free agent for considerably less money? Obviously, a claim is a guarantee but teams interested in him may be a willing to gamble to get him at a better price.
Regardless, it won’t be long before we find out the answer……..
Your understanding is correct. The only reason a team would claim him is if they think (a) he's worth substantially less than the $6.95 million and (b) no other team will claim him. He's a slightly above average hitter and a slightly below average fielder. On the plus side, he hits RHPs and LHPs equally well.
What might matter is that he absolutely crushed it in the first half, then tanked in July and August, and returned to premium output in September/October. He's claimed that he was hampered by injuries in July and August, and that may well be true. If you take out those two months, his pedestrian (.248/.325/.432/.757) becomes (.278/.401/.463/.864). And his early fielding splits were strong, though I don't recall the actual numbers.
Depends upon which JD Davis you think you're getting. If the latter, well worth $7 mms. If not...maybe you wait and negotiate.
Right now, I think the Blue Jays, Mets, Yankees and Mariners are possible landing spots for Davis.
Incidentally, I've noticed that Farhan has a tendency to eliminate players that don't toe the line, that publicly complain or fully go to arbitration. He doesn't like that level of resistance or implied (or overt) complaint. Manaea, Stripling, Davis...gone, gone, gone.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 12:33 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 06:38 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:25 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:17 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 04:08 PM)Mick Wrote: Giants placed JD Davis on waivers.
Giants played 5 innings today. Pitchers gave up one walk and two hits in a 5-1 win over the A's.
New pickup Matt Chapman went 1 for 2 with a walk.
Stanford alum Austin Slater went 0 for 3 with 3 strikeouts.
Erstwhile reliever-turned-starter Jordan Hicks struck out six in three innings and allowed no hits and one walk.
Due to his salary, there is a good possibility that Davis may clear waivers and become a free agent.
His salary is less than $7 mms., so I think he'll actually get picked up. His OPS+ was 103 last year, but 113 for his career, and he is crushing it this spring. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Brewers, Padres and Yankees can all use him, among other teams. Maybe the Mets want him back. Incidentally, since JD beat the Giants in arbitration, his full salary is not guaranteed. My bet is the Mariners.
Be nice if he gets picked up, then the Giants can (hopefully) apply that $7 million towards getting Snell or Montgomery...
My understanding…
If he is claimed, the claiming team is on the hook for his $6.9M salary. If he is unclaimed, SF pays a portion of the $6.9M as a termination fee and Davis becomes a free agent with the ability to negotiate a new contract.
Why would a team claim him at $6.9M if they believe they can sign him as a free agent for considerably less money? Obviously, a claim is a guarantee but teams interested in him may be a willing to gamble to get him at a better price.
Regardless, it won’t be long before we find out the answer……..
Your understanding is correct. The only reason a team would claim him is if they think (a) he's worth substantially less than the $6.95 million and (b) no other team will claim him. He's a slightly above average hitter and a slightly below average fielder. On the plus side, he hits RHPs and LHPs equally well.
What might matter is that he absolutely crushed it in the first half, then tanked in July and August, and returned to premium output in September/October. He's claimed that he was hampered by injuries in July and August, and that may well be true. If you take out those two months, his pedestrian (.248/.325/.432/.757) becomes (.278/.401/.463/.864). And his early fielding splits were strong, though I don't recall the actual numbers.
Depends upon which JD Davis you think you're getting. If the latter, well worth $7 mms. If not...maybe you wait and negotiate.
Right now, I think the Blue Jays, Mets, Yankees and Mariners are possible landing spots for Davis.
Incidentally, I've noticed that Farhan has a tendency to eliminate players that don't toe the line, that publicly complain or fully go to arbitration. He doesn't like that level of resistance or implied (or overt) complaint. Manaea, Stripling, Davis...gone, gone, gone.
re: arbitration, Zaidi has a policy - if a player doesn’t come to an agreement immediately after the numbers are revealed, he closes the door on future negotiations. Davis was the first player to win an SF arbitration hearing since the infamous A.J. Piersynski.
However, I don’t think that is why he was put on waivers. He was gone once Melvin was hired. From that point, it was only a matter of time before Chapman signed.
Note: The termination amount the Giants must pay if Davis is not claimed (by Mar 12) is roughly $1.15 million and roughly $1.725M if released after March 12 and before Opening Day.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 12:43 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-10-2024, 12:33 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 06:38 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:25 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:17 PM)Giants Wrote: Due to his salary, there is a good possibility that Davis may clear waivers and become a free agent.
His salary is less than $7 mms., so I think he'll actually get picked up. His OPS+ was 103 last year, but 113 for his career, and he is crushing it this spring. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Brewers, Padres and Yankees can all use him, among other teams. Maybe the Mets want him back. Incidentally, since JD beat the Giants in arbitration, his full salary is not guaranteed. My bet is the Mariners.
Be nice if he gets picked up, then the Giants can (hopefully) apply that $7 million towards getting Snell or Montgomery...
My understanding…
If he is claimed, the claiming team is on the hook for his $6.9M salary. If he is unclaimed, SF pays a portion of the $6.9M as a termination fee and Davis becomes a free agent with the ability to negotiate a new contract.
Why would a team claim him at $6.9M if they believe they can sign him as a free agent for considerably less money? Obviously, a claim is a guarantee but teams interested in him may be a willing to gamble to get him at a better price.
Regardless, it won’t be long before we find out the answer……..
Your understanding is correct. The only reason a team would claim him is if they think (a) he's worth substantially less than the $6.95 million and (b) no other team will claim him. He's a slightly above average hitter and a slightly below average fielder. On the plus side, he hits RHPs and LHPs equally well.
What might matter is that he absolutely crushed it in the first half, then tanked in July and August, and returned to premium output in September/October. He's claimed that he was hampered by injuries in July and August, and that may well be true. If you take out those two months, his pedestrian (.248/.325/.432/.757) becomes (.278/.401/.463/.864). And his early fielding splits were strong, though I don't recall the actual numbers.
Depends upon which JD Davis you think you're getting. If the latter, well worth $7 mms. If not...maybe you wait and negotiate.
Right now, I think the Blue Jays, Mets, Yankees and Mariners are possible landing spots for Davis.
Incidentally, I've noticed that Farhan has a tendency to eliminate players that don't toe the line, that publicly complain or fully go to arbitration. He doesn't like that level of resistance or implied (or overt) complaint. Manaea, Stripling, Davis...gone, gone, gone.
re: arbitration, Zaidi has a policy - if a player doesn’t come to an agreement immediately after the numbers are revealed, he closes the door on future negotiations. Davis was the first player to win an SF arbitration hearing since the infamous A.J. Piersynski.
However, I don’t think that is why he was put on waivers. He was gone once Melvin was hired. From that point, it was only a matter of time before Chapman signed.
Note: The termination amount the Giants must pay if Davis is not claimed is roughly $1.15 million if released by Mar 12 and roughly $1.725M if released after March 12 and before Opening Day.
I don't disagree. Melvin wanted his guy. But the arbitration win made it easy to put him on waivers, particularly since arbitration wins don't guarantee the annual salary.
Supposedly Snell will consider a short-term deal. Should get interesting.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 12:47 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-10-2024, 12:43 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-10-2024, 12:33 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 06:38 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-09-2024, 05:25 PM)Mick Wrote: His salary is less than $7 mms., so I think he'll actually get picked up. His OPS+ was 103 last year, but 113 for his career, and he is crushing it this spring. The Blue Jays, Mariners, Brewers, Padres and Yankees can all use him, among other teams. Maybe the Mets want him back. Incidentally, since JD beat the Giants in arbitration, his full salary is not guaranteed. My bet is the Mariners.
Be nice if he gets picked up, then the Giants can (hopefully) apply that $7 million towards getting Snell or Montgomery...
My understanding…
If he is claimed, the claiming team is on the hook for his $6.9M salary. If he is unclaimed, SF pays a portion of the $6.9M as a termination fee and Davis becomes a free agent with the ability to negotiate a new contract.
Why would a team claim him at $6.9M if they believe they can sign him as a free agent for considerably less money? Obviously, a claim is a guarantee but teams interested in him may be a willing to gamble to get him at a better price.
Regardless, it won’t be long before we find out the answer……..
Your understanding is correct. The only reason a team would claim him is if they think (a) he's worth substantially less than the $6.95 million and (b) no other team will claim him. He's a slightly above average hitter and a slightly below average fielder. On the plus side, he hits RHPs and LHPs equally well.
What might matter is that he absolutely crushed it in the first half, then tanked in July and August, and returned to premium output in September/October. He's claimed that he was hampered by injuries in July and August, and that may well be true. If you take out those two months, his pedestrian (.248/.325/.432/.757) becomes (.278/.401/.463/.864). And his early fielding splits were strong, though I don't recall the actual numbers.
Depends upon which JD Davis you think you're getting. If the latter, well worth $7 mms. If not...maybe you wait and negotiate.
Right now, I think the Blue Jays, Mets, Yankees and Mariners are possible landing spots for Davis.
Incidentally, I've noticed that Farhan has a tendency to eliminate players that don't toe the line, that publicly complain or fully go to arbitration. He doesn't like that level of resistance or implied (or overt) complaint. Manaea, Stripling, Davis...gone, gone, gone.
re: arbitration, Zaidi has a policy - if a player doesn’t come to an agreement immediately after the numbers are revealed, he closes the door on future negotiations. Davis was the first player to win an SF arbitration hearing since the infamous A.J. Piersynski.
However, I don’t think that is why he was put on waivers. He was gone once Melvin was hired. From that point, it was only a matter of time before Chapman signed.
Note: The termination amount the Giants must pay if Davis is not claimed is roughly $1.15 million if released by Mar 12 and roughly $1.725M if released after March 12 and before Opening Day.
I don't disagree. Melvin wanted his guy. But the arbitration win made it easy to put him on waivers, particularly since arbitration wins don't guarantee the annual salary.
Supposedly Snell will consider a short-term deal. Should get interesting.
The question I have is whether one reason the Giants went to arbitration with Davis was for this scenario.
Had he simply signed a contract, they’d be on the hook for his salary if released. Because they arbitrated, they risk only the pro-rated amount. And he then becomes a FA (assuming he turns down being assigned to Sac, which he undoubtedly will).
I also wonder what his agent was thinking. This was a foreseeable outcome. Chapman was linked to the Giants as early as December. Once signed, Davis has no spot on the Giants.
Hopefully, Davis finds a nice landing. He did everything the Giants asked of him. I get the move. It’s the smart play for the Giants. Kind of stinks for Davis.
BTW - I don’t think this has anything to do with Davis winning the arb. I think the Giants wanted arbitration, for this scenario. I also think his agent potentially dropped the ball on this. Time will tell.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 01:09 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-10-2024, 12:47 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-10-2024, 12:43 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-10-2024, 12:33 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-09-2024, 06:38 PM)Giants Wrote: My understanding…
If he is claimed, the claiming team is on the hook for his $6.9M salary. If he is unclaimed, SF pays a portion of the $6.9M as a termination fee and Davis becomes a free agent with the ability to negotiate a new contract.
Why would a team claim him at $6.9M if they believe they can sign him as a free agent for considerably less money? Obviously, a claim is a guarantee but teams interested in him may be a willing to gamble to get him at a better price.
Regardless, it won’t be long before we find out the answer……..
Your understanding is correct. The only reason a team would claim him is if they think (a) he's worth substantially less than the $6.95 million and (b) no other team will claim him. He's a slightly above average hitter and a slightly below average fielder. On the plus side, he hits RHPs and LHPs equally well.
What might matter is that he absolutely crushed it in the first half, then tanked in July and August, and returned to premium output in September/October. He's claimed that he was hampered by injuries in July and August, and that may well be true. If you take out those two months, his pedestrian (.248/.325/.432/.757) becomes (.278/.401/.463/.864). And his early fielding splits were strong, though I don't recall the actual numbers.
Depends upon which JD Davis you think you're getting. If the latter, well worth $7 mms. If not...maybe you wait and negotiate.
Right now, I think the Blue Jays, Mets, Yankees and Mariners are possible landing spots for Davis.
Incidentally, I've noticed that Farhan has a tendency to eliminate players that don't toe the line, that publicly complain or fully go to arbitration. He doesn't like that level of resistance or implied (or overt) complaint. Manaea, Stripling, Davis...gone, gone, gone.
re: arbitration, Zaidi has a policy - if a player doesn’t come to an agreement immediately after the numbers are revealed, he closes the door on future negotiations. Davis was the first player to win an SF arbitration hearing since the infamous A.J. Piersynski.
However, I don’t think that is why he was put on waivers. He was gone once Melvin was hired. From that point, it was only a matter of time before Chapman signed.
Note: The termination amount the Giants must pay if Davis is not claimed is roughly $1.15 million if released by Mar 12 and roughly $1.725M if released after March 12 and before Opening Day.
I don't disagree. Melvin wanted his guy. But the arbitration win made it easy to put him on waivers, particularly since arbitration wins don't guarantee the annual salary.
Supposedly Snell will consider a short-term deal. Should get interesting.
The question I have is whether one reason the Giants went to arbitration with Davis was for this scenario.
Had he simply signed a contract, they’d be on the hook for his salary if released. Because they arbitrated, they risk only the pro-rated amount. And he then becomes a FA (assuming he turns down being assigned to Sac, which he undoubtedly will).
I also wonder what his agent was thinking. This was a foreseeable outcome. Chapman was linked to the Giants as early as December. Once signed, Davis has no spot on the Giants.
Hopefully, Davis finds a nice landing. He did everything the Giants asked of him. I get the move. It’s the smart play for the Giants. Kind of stinks for Davis.
BTW - I don’t think this has anything to do with Davis winning the arb. I think the Giants wanted arbitration, for this scenario. I also think his agent potentially dropped the ball on this. Time will tell.
Funny how the at-risk players are doing well this spring. Davis was tearing the cover off the ball (still third on the team in OPS), as is Joey Bart (.429 BA/.955 OPS), and Conforto is at .400/1.007. Slater had a rough day (again) today, 0 for 2 with two strikeouts, though he did have one of the three RBIs. He's now 0 for 5 with five strikeouts and two walks.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-10-2024
The arbitration situation is a weird deal.
On the day the figures were released, SF settled quickly with Estrada, Wade and Tyler Rogers. Only Davis opted to go to a hearing (over $350,000 - the Giants offered $6.55M and Davis wanted $6.9M).
Davis’ agent really screwed up. As Lex noted, the interest in Chapman was well-known. Why didn’t the agent counsel Davis to take the Giants’ offer? I wonder if he fully understood the rules.
Correction…
SF settled with Estrada, Rogers and Wade prior to the exchange of figures.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 03:45 PM)Giants Wrote: The arbitration situation is a weird deal.
On the day the figures were released, SF settled quickly with Estrada, Wade and Tyler Rogers. Only Davis opted to go to a hearing (over $350,000 - the Giants offered $6.55M and Davis wanted $6.9M).
Davis’ agent really screwed up. As Lex noted, the interest in Chapman was well-known. Why didn’t the agent counsel Davis to take the Giants’ offer? I wonder if he fully understood the rules.
If he didn’t, the agent REALLY screwed up. One thing - I don’t know if the $6.55M was offered pre-arb. In others words, the last offer could have been less.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 04:08 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-10-2024, 03:45 PM)Giants Wrote: The arbitration situation is a weird deal.
On the day the figures were released, SF settled quickly with Estrada, Wade and Tyler Rogers. Only Davis opted to go to a hearing (over $350,000 - the Giants offered $6.55M and Davis wanted $6.9M).
Davis’ agent really screwed up. As Lex noted, the interest in Chapman was well-known. Why didn’t the agent counsel Davis to take the Giants’ offer? I wonder if he fully understood the rules.
If he didn’t, the agent REALLY screwed up. One thing - I don’t know if the $6.55M was offered pre-arb. In others words, the last offer could have been less.
The $6.55M was the Giants arb. offer.
https://www.si.com/mlb/giants/news/sf-giants-unable-avoid-arbitration-jd-davis
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 05:13 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-10-2024, 04:08 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-10-2024, 03:45 PM)Giants Wrote: The arbitration situation is a weird deal.
On the day the figures were released, SF settled quickly with Estrada, Wade and Tyler Rogers. Only Davis opted to go to a hearing (over $350,000 - the Giants offered $6.55M and Davis wanted $6.9M).
Davis’ agent really screwed up. As Lex noted, the interest in Chapman was well-known. Why didn’t the agent counsel Davis to take the Giants’ offer? I wonder if he fully understood the rules.
If he didn’t, the agent REALLY screwed up. One thing - I don’t know if the $6.55M was offered pre-arb. In others words, the last offer could have been less.
The $6.55M was the Giants arb. offer.
https://www.si.com/mlb/giants/news/sf-giants-unable-avoid-arbitration-jd-davis
I know. That doesn’t mean it was their last offer prior to Arbitration. It may have been. But they also could have been lower prior to submitting their arbitration number.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-10-2024
(03-10-2024, 06:00 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-10-2024, 05:13 PM)Giants Wrote:(03-10-2024, 04:08 PM)lex24 Wrote:(03-10-2024, 03:45 PM)Giants Wrote: The arbitration situation is a weird deal.
On the day the figures were released, SF settled quickly with Estrada, Wade and Tyler Rogers. Only Davis opted to go to a hearing (over $350,000 - the Giants offered $6.55M and Davis wanted $6.9M).
Davis’ agent really screwed up. As Lex noted, the interest in Chapman was well-known. Why didn’t the agent counsel Davis to take the Giants’ offer? I wonder if he fully understood the rules.
If he didn’t, the agent REALLY screwed up. One thing - I don’t know if the $6.55M was offered pre-arb. In others words, the last offer could have been less.
The $6.55M was the Giants arb. offer.
https://www.si.com/mlb/giants/news/sf-giants-unable-avoid-arbitration-jd-davis
I know. That doesn’t mean it was their last offer prior to Arbitration. It may have been. But they also could have been lower prior to submitting their arbitration number.
A scenario I hadn’t considered……….
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-11-2024
Davis was released this morning after going unclaimed. SF owes him about $1.15M.
Now that he is a free agent, I think he will find a new home quickly.
Update: This may not be the end of the Davis saga. It is possible that he could file a grievance for being wrongfully released (the CBA prohibits players from being released after an arbitration hearing unless they fail “to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability”).
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-11-2024
(03-11-2024, 01:30 PM)Giants Wrote: Davis was released this morning after going unclaimed. SF owes him about $1.15M.
Now that he is a free agent, I think he will find a new home quickly.
Update: This may not be the end of the Davis saga. It is possible that he could file a grievance for being wrongfully released (the CBA prohibits players from being released after an arbitration hearing unless they fail “to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability”).
The Athletic says "Industry sources indicated that it was unlikely that Davis, who is now an unrestricted free agent, would have grounds to file a grievance." Not a good look for Zaidi, coupled with his treatment of Crawford and, yes, Kapler at the end of last year. Not exactly yanking your wife to the ground in public, but still...Giants management doesn't look good.
https://theathletic.com/5334049/2024/03/11/sf-giants-jd-davis-released-salary/
Also of interest...Giants win today, 12-8 over Royals. Joey B., headed to AAA, had three hits and is hitting .474/.542/.474/1.026. Gone. Casey Schmitt had a home run. Back to AAA (he's only hitting .133). Pinder, .364, gone. Brooks, .467, won't make the team. Meckler, .440/.481/.600/1.081. We'll see, but doubt it.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-12-2024
(03-11-2024, 04:05 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-11-2024, 01:30 PM)Giants Wrote: Davis was released this morning after going unclaimed. SF owes him about $1.15M.
Now that he is a free agent, I think he will find a new home quickly.
Update: This may not be the end of the Davis saga. It is possible that he could file a grievance for being wrongfully released (the CBA prohibits players from being released after an arbitration hearing unless they fail “to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability”).
The Athletic says "Industry sources indicated that it was unlikely that Davis, who is now an unrestricted free agent, would have grounds to file a grievance." Not a good look for Zaidi, coupled with his treatment of Crawford and, yes, Kapler at the end of last year. Not exactly yanking your wife to the ground in public, but still...Giants management doesn't look good.
https://theathletic.com/5334049/2024/03/11/sf-giants-jd-davis-released-salary/
Also of interest...Giants win today, 12-8 over Royals. Joey B., headed to AAA, had three hits and is hitting .474/.542/.474/1.026. Gone. Casey Schmitt had a home run. Back to AAA (he's only hitting .133). Pinder, .364, gone. Brooks, .467, won't make the team. Meckler, .440/.481/.600/1.081. We'll see, but doubt it.
Don’t pay much attention to spring numbers. Although I am looking to see what Luciano and Fitzgerald do. Fitz has a shot for last roster spot. Luciano needs to step it up now. At least have some good AB’s. The strikeouts are mounting.
Pitching is most interesting.
Webb, Harrison. Hicks. Pen - Taylor, Tyler. Walker, Jackson and Doval are locks, barring injuries.
Black, is, I think essentially a lock for the 4 or 5 slot in the rotation. Winn would be, but he may not be ready.
That leaves 4 (3 if Winn is ready) open spots. One will be a lefty. I think Small is likely. (Miller being in first cuts was surprising). Maybe Amir Garrett. If Winn can’t go I expect both Dalton Jeffries and Spencer Howard to go north. Especially Jeffries.
Lot of competition.
361/.434/.617/1.051. 9 HRs. In 151 PA’s. Those are Bart’s career ST numbers. If only it mattered to be Mr. March.. Absent injury, he will be traded. They should be able to get at least a low level minor leaguer. Catchers are scarce and his contract is low. One downside- he has no options. If they can’t trade him, I expect someone will pick him up on waivers. But maybe he clears and can add depth at AAA.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-12-2024
I thought Small looked really good. I watched him pitch for an inning, he was missing bats by a comical amount. But, as you say, spring numbers don't mean much.
I saw an article by Baggs in which the coaches and catchers were asked which pitchers were really impressing them. Everyone raved about Landen Roupp. He's only pitched one inning in one game so far (2 K's, no hits or walks, three up, three down; threw seven pitches all for strikes, didn't throw a single ball outside the strike zone). 12th round pick in 2021. When Patrick Bailey was asked, Baggs didn't even get the question out of his mouth before Bailey replied "Landon Roupp." 1.74 ERA in AA last year. Bailey, Sabol, Murphy and Bart all mentioned Roupp.
BTW, Giants have won 5 of their last 7. Not that spring training numbers matter.
https://theathletic.com/5319819/2024/03/05/sf-giants-young-pitching-depth/
Where did you get your Joey Bart spring training numbers? I think you're including his minor league spring training camp numbers, because in MLB spring training, he was nowhere close to those numbers. Bart hit .214 in 2023 spring training and .225 in 2022 spring training and .233 in 2020. He hit .333 in 2021, but that was just six ABs. This year, he's hitting .474, 1.016 OPS. Bailey's hitting .200 and Murphy's hitting .278.
https://www.mlb.com/stats/san-francisco-giants?playerPool=ALL&position=C
I'm worried, a little, about the Stanford players. Beck is hurt, Miller is doing pretty well...3.00 ERA, 1.33 WHIP. Slater has 7 plate appearances, two walks and has struck out all five At Bats.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 03-12-2024
Miller was sent down. Bet he comes back fairly soon
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 03-12-2024
(03-12-2024, 09:21 AM)Mick Wrote: I thought Small looked really good. I watched him pitch for an inning, he was missing bats by a comical amount. But, as you say, spring numbers don't mean much.
I saw an article by Baggs in which the coaches and catchers were asked which pitchers were really impressing them. Everyone raved about Landen Roupp. He's only pitched one inning in one game so far (2 K's, no hits or walks, three up, three down; threw seven pitches all for strikes, didn't throw a single ball outside the strike zone). 12th round pick in 2021. When Patrick Bailey was asked, Baggs didn't even get the question out of his mouth before Bailey replied "Landon Roupp." 1.74 ERA in AA last year. Bailey, Sabol, Murphy and Bart all mentioned Roupp.
BTW, Giants have won 5 of their last 7. Not that spring training numbers matter.
https://theathletic.com/5319819/2024/03/05/sf-giants-young-pitching-depth/
Where did you get your Joey Bart spring training numbers? I think you're including his minor league spring training camp numbers, because in MLB spring training, he was nowhere close to those numbers. Bart hit .214 in 2023 spring training and .225 in 2022 spring training and .233 in 2020. He hit .333 in 2021, but that was just six ABs. This year, he's hitting .474, 1.016 OPS. Bailey's hitting .200 and Murphy's hitting .278.
https://www.mlb.com/stats/san-francisco-giants?playerPool=ALL&position=C
I'm worried, a little, about the Stanford players. Beck is hurt, Miller is doing pretty well...3.00 ERA, 1.33 WHIP. Slater has 7 plate appearances, two walks and has struck out all five At Bats.
Slater has been slow to recover from surgery late last year.
Is it time to consider moving on from him and Yaz? There a number of guys who may be ready to step up and take their place on the roster.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 03-12-2024
(03-12-2024, 10:33 AM)Giants Wrote:(03-12-2024, 09:21 AM)Mick Wrote: I thought Small looked really good. I watched him pitch for an inning, he was missing bats by a comical amount. But, as you say, spring numbers don't mean much.
I saw an article by Baggs in which the coaches and catchers were asked which pitchers were really impressing them. Everyone raved about Landen Roupp. He's only pitched one inning in one game so far (2 K's, no hits or walks, three up, three down; threw seven pitches all for strikes, didn't throw a single ball outside the strike zone). 12th round pick in 2021. When Patrick Bailey was asked, Baggs didn't even get the question out of his mouth before Bailey replied "Landon Roupp." 1.74 ERA in AA last year. Bailey, Sabol, Murphy and Bart all mentioned Roupp.
BTW, Giants have won 5 of their last 7. Not that spring training numbers matter.
https://theathletic.com/5319819/2024/03/05/sf-giants-young-pitching-depth/
Where did you get your Joey Bart spring training numbers? I think you're including his minor league spring training camp numbers, because in MLB spring training, he was nowhere close to those numbers. Bart hit .214 in 2023 spring training and .225 in 2022 spring training and .233 in 2020. He hit .333 in 2021, but that was just six ABs. This year, he's hitting .474, 1.016 OPS. Bailey's hitting .200 and Murphy's hitting .278.
https://www.mlb.com/stats/san-francisco-giants?playerPool=ALL&position=C
I'm worried, a little, about the Stanford players. Beck is hurt, Miller is doing pretty well...3.00 ERA, 1.33 WHIP. Slater has 7 plate appearances, two walks and has struck out all five At Bats.
Slater has been slow to recover from surgery late last year.
Is it time to consider moving on from him and Yaz? There a number of guys who may be ready to step up and take their place on the roster.
I think you're probably right about that. Yaz has declined over the past three years. Slater had a rough year last year, and can't seem to get healthy. And five strikeouts in five official ABs doesn't help his cause, though he did bat .270 last year.
Heliot Ramos, Erik Miller, Cooper Hummel, Trevor McDonald, Randy Rodriguez, Kai-Wei Teng and Brett Wisely were all optioned to AAA. And four players are going to be reassigned include Yusniel Díaz, Jose Cruz, Hayden Birdsong, and Carson Seymour.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 03-12-2024
(03-12-2024, 09:21 AM)Mick Wrote: I thought Small looked really good. I watched him pitch for an inning, he was missing bats by a comical amount. But, as you say, spring numbers don't mean much.
I saw an article by Baggs in which the coaches and catchers were asked which pitchers were really impressing them. Everyone raved about Landen Roupp. He's only pitched one inning in one game so far (2 K's, no hits or walks, three up, three down; threw seven pitches all for strikes, didn't throw a single ball outside the strike zone). 12th round pick in 2021. When Patrick Bailey was asked, Baggs didn't even get the question out of his mouth before Bailey replied "Landon Roupp." 1.74 ERA in AA last year. Bailey, Sabol, Murphy and Bart all mentioned Roupp.
BTW, Giants have won 5 of their last 7. Not that spring training numbers matter.
https://theathletic.com/5319819/2024/03/05/sf-giants-young-pitching-depth/
Where did you get your Joey Bart spring training numbers? I think you're including his minor league spring training camp numbers, because in MLB spring training, he was nowhere close to those numbers. Bart hit .214 in 2023 spring training and .225 in 2022 spring training and .233 in 2020. He hit .333 in 2021, but that was just six ABs. This year, he's hitting .474, 1.016 OPS. Bailey's hitting .200 and Murphy's hitting .278.
https://www.mlb.com/stats/san-francisco-giants?playerPool=ALL&position=C
I'm worried, a little, about the Stanford players. Beck is hurt, Miller is doing pretty well...3.00 ERA, 1.33 WHIP. Slater has 7 plate appearances, two walks and has struck out all five At Bats.
Got Barts spring training numbers off MLB site.