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RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - cardcrimson - 01-09-2023
(01-09-2023, 09:27 PM)lex24 Wrote:(01-09-2023, 08:44 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: Toronto signs Belt for one year at $9.3 mill. Their lineup is much more impressive than the Giants. So, good for him.
Giants supposedly interested but Jays moved faster…..
Well, good for Farhan's deliberate style. . ..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 01-09-2023
(01-07-2023, 10:25 PM)Giants Wrote:(01-07-2023, 09:31 PM)lex24 Wrote:(01-07-2023, 11:58 AM)Mick Wrote: Mets are fed up with Correa:
Mets Reportedly Fed Up With Carlos Correa, But Deal Is 'Not Dead'
Steve Cohen agrees that "Correa needs the Mets more than the Mets need Correa". The Mets are "very frustrated" with Correa:
Steve Cohen Likes Tweet: "Correa Needs Mets More than They Need Him"
Twins are back in play:
Twins Rejoin Correa Bidding As Mets Grow "Frustrated"
Arthritis, degeneration of joint,
Carlos Correa deal with Mets still on hold due to physical
Predicted, wrong again, ultra-new and Updated Predicted San Francisco Giants Opening Day Roster:
1. Wilmer Flores, 1B, R
2. LaMonte Wade, 1B, L
3. David Villar, 3B, R
4. Brandon Crawford, SS, L
5. J.D. Davis, 3B, R
6. Thairo Estrada, UT, Spot OF, R
7. Joc Pederson, DH, Spot OF, L
8. Mike Yastrzemski, OF, L
9. Mike Conforto, OF
10. Mitch Haniger, OF
11. Austin Slater, OF, R
12. Joey Bart, C, R
13. Blake Sabol, C
14. Sammy Long, LRP, L
15. Logan Webb, SP
16. Alex Cobb, SP
17. Alex Wood, SP
18. Anthony DeSclafani, SP
19. Sean Manaea, LRP
20. Ross Stripling, SP
21. Jakob Junis, LRP
22. Taylor Rogers, RP
23. Tyler Rogers, RP
24. Camilo Doval, RP
25. Scott Alexander, RP
26. John Brebbia, RP
Tristan Beck, Isan Diaz, Jose Cruz, Sean Hjelle, Sammy Long, Marco Luciano, Yunior Marte, Luis Matos, Heliot Ramos, Randy Rodriguez, Thomas Szapucki, Cole Waites, Keaton Winn, Brett Wisely all start the season in Sacramento or get traded. Team cuts ties with Austin Wynns, senior citizens La Stella, Longoria and Belt.
Giants will sign a backup catcher. There is no way they break camp with Bart and Sabol as their only catchers.
As for Correa, I wonder what would have happened if Giants had not idiotically scheduled a press conference prior to him having his physical? They could have quietly dealt with the issue and perhaps renegotiated. Probably would not have made a difference. But still, a big mistake in the process.
IMO, SF has to find another backstop (probably via a trade).
As for Correa, given the difficulty the Mets are having negotiating with Correa re: an adjusted deal, I highly doubt that SF would have had any better luck trying to redo their agreement. If I was a Mets fan, I would still be confident that Cohen will figure out a solution. However, the Twins are lurking in the background.
Having said that, yes, the Giants learned a hard lesson regarding future free agents - do not schedule a press conference until the medical exam has been completed.
Add Jackson, drop Long.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BostonCard - 01-10-2023
Correa to the Twins.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35419701/sources-carlos-correa-finalizing-twins-mets-talks-fizzle
6 years/200 million... "pending physical" LOL.
BC
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 01-10-2023
(01-10-2023, 10:42 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Correa to the Twins.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35419701/sources-carlos-correa-finalizing-twins-mets-talks-fizzle
6 years/200 million... "pending physical" LOL.
BC
plus vesting options totaling $70 million over a four year period ($25M, $20M, $15M, $10M) if he makes 502 plate appearances annually. If all is well, Correa will be receive roughly the same per year over ten years as the Giants offered over thirteen.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 01-10-2023
Seriously outdated, predicted New and Updated WAG at SF Giants Opening Day Roster:
1. Wilmer Flores, 1B, R
2. LaMonte Wade, 1B, L
3. David Villar, 3B, R
4. Brandon Crawford, SS, L
5. J.D. Davis, 3B, R
6. Thairo Estrada, UT, Spot OF, R
7. Joc Pederson, DH, Spot OF, L
8. Mike Yastrzemski, OF, L
9. Mike Conforto, OF
10. Mitch Haniger, OF
11. Austin Slater, OF, R
12. Joey Bart, C, R
13. Blake Sabol, C
14. Logan Webb, SP
15. Anthony DeSclafani, SP
16. Alex Cobb, SP
17. Alex Wood, SP
18. Ross Stripling, SP
19. Sean Manaea, LRP
20. Jakob Junis, LRP
21. Camilo Doval, RP
22. Taylor Rogers, RP
23. Tyler Rogers, RP
24. John Brebbia, RP
25. Scott Alexander, RP
26. Luke Jackson, RP
Tristan Beck, Isan Diaz, Jose Cruz, Sean Hjelle, Sammy Long, Marco Luciano, Luis Matos, Heliot Ramos, Randy Rodriguez, Thomas Szapucki, Cole Waites, Keaton Winn, Brett Wisely all start the season in Sacramento or get traded. Team cuts ties with Yunior Marte, senior citizens La Stella, Longoria and Belt.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 01-11-2023
(01-10-2023, 04:07 PM)Mick Wrote: Seriously outdated, predicted New and Updated WAG at SF Giants Opening Day Roster:
1. Wilmer Flores, 1B, R
2. LaMonte Wade, 1B, L
3. David Villar, 3B, R
4. Brandon Crawford, SS, L
5. J.D. Davis, 3B, R
6. Thairo Estrada, UT, Spot OF, R
7. Joc Pederson, DH, Spot OF, L
8. Mike Yastrzemski, OF, L
9. Mike Conforto, OF
10. Mitch Haniger, OF
11. Austin Slater, OF, R
12. Joey Bart, C, R
13. Blake Sabol, C
14. Logan Webb, SP
15. Anthony DeSclafani, SP
16. Alex Cobb, SP
17. Alex Wood, SP
18. Ross Stripling, SP
19. Sean Manaea, LRP
20. Jakob Junis, LRP
21. Camilo Doval, RP
22. Taylor Rogers, RP
23. Tyler Rogers, RP
24. John Brebbia, RP
25. Scott Alexander, RP
26. Luke Jackson, RP
Tristan Beck, Isan Diaz, Jose Cruz, Sean Hjelle, Sammy Long, Marco Luciano, Luis Matos, Heliot Ramos, Randy Rodriguez, Thomas Szapucki, Cole Waites, Keaton Winn, Brett Wisely all start the season in Sacramento or get traded. Team cuts ties with Yunior Marte, senior citizens La Stella, Longoria and Belt.
Giants will add a backup catcher. Villar probably breaks camp. But he does have options. So, possible he goes down and Davis/Flores start season at 3B. Especially if Sabol sticks as utility player. Szapucki is out of options. Giants like his arm. Jackson may not be ready to start season. Ditto DeSclafani. That would open a spot for Szapucki. Estrada will be everyday 2b, not utility player. Flores will be the utility player.
Merc writer did analysis of this years roster vs last years based on WAR. Conclusion - about 2 games worse. I’m no fan of WAR. But I do think it’s a bit worse overall. Losing a true ace makes a major difference.
Giants have improved corner OF, if Conforto is healthy. IF considerably worse. Especially defensively.
Starting Pitching - Webb, Cobb and a bunch of 4/5/6 starters. At least we won’t (or shouldn’t be) subjected to a slew of bullpen games. Manaea a key. He was awful last year. If he can be solid that would help.
Team still slower than mud. Infield defense a major question, especially with a staff that throws a lot of ground balls. On the excitement meter - low.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 01-11-2023
I suppose here's how I look at it. When Farhan took over, the team that was left to him finished 24th in overall WAR in both 2018 and 2019, per baseball-reference.com. In 2020, the Giants jumped to 15th overall and in 2021, the Giants jumped again to 2nd overall. Not surprising, given their 107 wins. In 2022, the Giants finished at 18th.
Right now, FanGraphs is projecting the Giants at 19th in overall WAR. So if we finished 18th last year and ended up with an 81-81 record and FanGraphs thinks we're going to drop a spot, I feel comfortable that we should have much better feeling, and comfortable in asserting we're headed for at least 86 wins and maybe more, particularly given the overall forward nature of the Giants' progress since Farhan has been here. I would treat this past year as an anomaly.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 01-11-2023
Correa speaks...
Carlos Correa finally addresses 'shocking' Giants, Mets ankle concerns - NBC Sports Bay Area
He says he was shocked that the Mets and Giants doctors thought that he had a troubled ankle to the point that it cratered their deal. He pointed out that the Minnesota Twins sports medicine specialist told him his ankle was great and Twins Medical Director said it was "great, in even better shape than last year." And yet, the Twins dropped their guarantee from $285 mms. to $200 mms.
Lastly, Giants might get former all star catcher Gary Sanchez.
Report: SF Giants interested in former All-Star C Gary Sánchez - Sports Illustrated San Francisco Giants News, Analysis and More
Ranking the top 50 MLB free agents: Who fits the SF Giants? - Sports Illustrated San Francisco Giants News, Analysis and More
His OPS was about 100 points better as DH than as catcher. He played 85 games at catcher. He was an all star in 2017 and 2019. He'd be a good counterbalance to Pederson as a right handed DH.
Lastly, Matt Daniels resigned. Without anywhere else to go. He's really good with pitchers; his first client was Trevor Bauer. I wonder what happened?
SF Giants player development loses a notable staff member - Sports Illustrated San Francisco Giants News, Analysis and More
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 01-11-2023
(01-11-2023, 04:58 PM)Mick Wrote: Correa speaks...
Carlos Correa finally addresses 'shocking' Giants, Mets ankle concerns - NBC Sports Bay Area
He says he was shocked that the Mets and Giants doctors thought that he had a troubled ankle to the point that it cratered their deal. He pointed out that the Minnesota Twins sports medicine specialist told him his ankle was great and Twins Medical Director said it was "great, in even better shape than last year." And yet, the Twins dropped their guarantee from $285 mms. to $200 mms.
Lastly, Giants might get former all star catcher Gary Sanchez.
Report: SF Giants interested in former All-Star C Gary Sánchez - Sports Illustrated San Francisco Giants News, Analysis and More
Ranking the top 50 MLB free agents: Who fits the SF Giants? - Sports Illustrated San Francisco Giants News, Analysis and More
His OPS was about 100 points better as DH than as catcher. He played 85 games at catcher. He was an all star in 2017 and 2019. He'd be a good counterbalance to Pederson as a right handed DH.
Lastly, Matt Daniels resigned. Without anywhere else to go. He's really good with pitchers; his first client was Trevor Bauer. I wonder what happened?
SF Giants player development loses a notable staff member - Sports Illustrated San Francisco Giants News, Analysis and More
Please “No” on Sanchez. He’s a poor defensive catcher. Davis and Flores are both fine as RH DH.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 01-13-2023
Late Night LaMonte Wade just signed for about 1/5th of what Brandon Belt would have cost. BTW, Belt is going to Toronto to DH, not to play first base.
Why Brandon Belt, Giants didn't reunite in MLB free agency after 12-year stint - NBC Sports Bay Area
SF Giants agree to one-year deal with 1B/OF LaMonte Wade Jr.
And just a little bit OT, but as you all know, Shawn Purdy, Brock's father, played in the SF Giants organization. He was in AAA Phoenix and had a pretty good season, going 10-3. 14 of the 23 pitchers were called up to the big club that season, but not Purdy. He had the second best record on the staff. Like his son, didn't have a cannon for an arm, about 4-5 strikeouts every 9 innings. Eight pitchers with worse ERAs than Purdy got called up. Interesting.
1997 Phoenix Firebirds Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 01-13-2023
(01-13-2023, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote: Late Night LaMonte Wade just signed for about 1/5th of what Brandon Belt would have cost. BTW, Belt is going to Toronto to DH, not to play first base.
Why Brandon Belt, Giants didn't reunite in MLB free agency after 12-year stint - NBC Sports Bay Area
SF Giants agree to one-year deal with 1B/OF LaMonte Wade Jr.
And just a little bit OT, but as you all know, Shawn Purdy, Brock's father, played in the SF Giants organization. He was in AAA Phoenix and had a pretty good season, going 10-3. 14 of the 23 pitchers were called up to the big club that season, but not Purdy. He had the second best record on the staff. Like his son, didn't have a cannon for an arm, about 4-5 strikeouts every 9 innings. Eight pitchers with worse ERAs than Purdy got called up. Interesting.
1997 Phoenix Firebirds Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com
I’m not ready to define success by wins per dollar…. Having said that, it was clear Belt was not in Giants plan. That’s fine. But I’m also not particularly excited about a Wade /Davis platoon…..
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 01-14-2023
(01-13-2023, 08:26 PM)lex24 Wrote:(01-13-2023, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote: Late Night LaMonte Wade just signed for about 1/5th of what Brandon Belt would have cost. BTW, Belt is going to Toronto to DH, not to play first base.
Why Brandon Belt, Giants didn't reunite in MLB free agency after 12-year stint - NBC Sports Bay Area
SF Giants agree to one-year deal with 1B/OF LaMonte Wade Jr.
And just a little bit OT, but as you all know, Shawn Purdy, Brock's father, played in the SF Giants organization. He was in AAA Phoenix and had a pretty good season, going 10-3. 14 of the 23 pitchers were called up to the big club that season, but not Purdy. He had the second best record on the staff. Like his son, didn't have a cannon for an arm, about 4-5 strikeouts every 9 innings. Eight pitchers with worse ERAs than Purdy got called up. Interesting.
1997 Phoenix Firebirds Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com
I’m not ready to define success by wins per dollar…. Having said that, it was clear Belt was not in Giants plan. That’s fine. But I’m also not particularly excited about a Wade /Davis platoon…..
Of course not. They're not your dollars, and therefore, not a consideration you would consider important. Every business in the world considers it to be important, but it's the prerogative of fans who don't have to make multi million/hundreds of millions of dollars of investment.
Belt's OPS dropped nearly 300 points from 2021 to 2022. He's no longer a fielder, though at one time he was a legitimately great fielder. Toronto wants him to be their designated hitter.
J. D. Davis' OPS last year was .857, beating out Brandon Belt by nearly 200 points. True, Late Night LaMonte had a .665 OPS last injury riddled year, but it was .805 the year before.
Look, I realize that the Giants are betting on the come in a brobdingnagian way. But whether they had Judge or Correa (or Harper or Stanton or Bryant), they'd still be betting on the come, with slightly better odds.
I like this team. I am excited. Feels like 2021 to me.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 01-14-2023
(01-14-2023, 01:20 PM)Mick Wrote:(01-13-2023, 08:26 PM)lex24 Wrote:(01-13-2023, 04:17 PM)Mick Wrote: Late Night LaMonte Wade just signed for about 1/5th of what Brandon Belt would have cost. BTW, Belt is going to Toronto to DH, not to play first base.
Why Brandon Belt, Giants didn't reunite in MLB free agency after 12-year stint - NBC Sports Bay Area
SF Giants agree to one-year deal with 1B/OF LaMonte Wade Jr.
And just a little bit OT, but as you all know, Shawn Purdy, Brock's father, played in the SF Giants organization. He was in AAA Phoenix and had a pretty good season, going 10-3. 14 of the 23 pitchers were called up to the big club that season, but not Purdy. He had the second best record on the staff. Like his son, didn't have a cannon for an arm, about 4-5 strikeouts every 9 innings. Eight pitchers with worse ERAs than Purdy got called up. Interesting.
1997 Phoenix Firebirds Statistics | Baseball-Reference.com
I’m not ready to define success by wins per dollar…. Having said that, it was clear Belt was not in Giants plan. That’s fine. But I’m also not particularly excited about a Wade /Davis platoon…..
Of course not. They're not your dollars, and therefore, not a consideration you would consider important. Every business in the world considers it to be important, but it's the prerogative of fans who don't have to make multi million/hundreds of millions of dollars of investment.
Belt's OPS dropped nearly 300 points from 2021 to 2022. He's no longer a fielder, though at one time he was a legitimately great fielder. Toronto wants him to be their designated hitter.
J. D. Davis' OPS last year was .857, beating out Brandon Belt by nearly 200 points. True, Late Night LaMonte had a .665 OPS last injury riddled year, but it was .805 the year before.
Look, I realize that the Giants are betting on the come in a of immense proportions way. But whether they had Judge or Correa (or Harper or Stanton or Bryant), they'd still be betting on the come, with slightly better odds.
I like this team. I am excited. Feels like 2021 to me.
Whether the payroll is $180 million or $230 million, the owners will make plenty of money. Anyone that gets into sports as solely an investment is in the wrong business.
Great. Feels like 2022 to me. Always a fan. But nothing about this team particularly excites me. No problem not resigning Belt. Said that.
Giants essentially promised a big splash. Nope. They’d be more athletic (a teeny bit) improve their defense (not really) and have more regulars (maybe).
C. Bart/? Time for Joey to pick it up. If not C will be a position of major weakness.
1B Wade and Flores/Davis. The former has had 6 good weeks. Davis is a defensive liability.
2b Estrada. Like him. Leave him alone and let him develop there.
SS. Craw. Be interesting. I expect him to play defensively like he did after he came back healthy. Not expecting too much offensively.
3b. Probably Villar. At least young with upside.
LF. Conforto l. For one year if he’s good. Let’s hope so
Cf. Yaz/Slater. Should be adequate.
RF. Haniger. Potentially their best hitter
DH Pederson/Flores/Davis. Strong.
Overall - no better than adequate. No major presence in the lineup. Very little speed. Relying on walks and homers….
SP. Webb, Cobb, Manaea, Stripling DeSclafani/Wood. Webb now only potential ace. Added pressure. Cobb solid. Rest 4/5. Let’s hope Manaea rebounds.
Bullpen may be good. But that’s a crapshoot.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 01-21-2023
SF Giants Opening Day Roster, starters in bold (I platooned Yaz and Slater):
1. LaMonte Wade, 1B, L
2. Thairo Estrada, 2B, R
3. Brandon Crawford, SS, L
4. David Villar, 3B, R
5. Mike Conforto, LF, L
6. Mike Yastrzemski, CF, L
7. Austin Slater, CF, R
8. Mitch Haniger, RF, R
9. Joey Bart, C, R
10. Joc Pederson, DH, L
11. Wilmer Flores, 1B, R
12. J.D. Davis, 3B, R
13. Blake Sabol, C, L
14. Logan Webb, SP, R
15. Anthony DeSclafani, SP, R
16. Alex Cobb, SP, R
17. Alex Wood, SP, L
18. Ross Stripling, SP, R
19. Sean Manaea, LRP, L
20. Jakob Junis, LRP, R
21. Camilo Doval, RP, R
22. Taylor Rogers, RP, L
23. Tyler Rogers, RP, R
24. John Brebbia, RP, R
25. Scott Alexander, RP, L
26. Luke Jackson, RP, R
Tristan Beck, Isan Diaz, Jose Cruz, Sean Hjelle, Sammy Long, Marco Luciano, Luis Matos, Heliot Ramos, Randy Rodriguez, Thomas Szapucki, Cole Waites, Keaton Winn, Brett Wisely all start the season in Sacramento or get traded.
Team cuts ties with Yunior Marte, senior citizens La Stella, Longoria and Belt. All three of the latter have signed one-year contracts.
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 01-22-2023
Uh that’s a football team. Lol not baseball
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BostonCard - 01-22-2023
(01-22-2023, 09:46 AM)BobK Wrote: Uh that’s a football team. Lol not baseball
Moved it to the miners thread.
BC
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - cardcrimson - 01-22-2023
(01-22-2023, 11:41 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-22-2023, 09:46 AM)BobK Wrote: Uh that’s a football team. Lol not baseball
Moved it to the miners thread.
BC
This is the Giants thread, and it is 2023, correct? Lex didn't specify which Giants when he started it. . . .
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 01-22-2023
(01-22-2023, 12:17 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(01-22-2023, 11:41 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-22-2023, 09:46 AM)BobK Wrote: Uh that’s a football team. Lol not baseball
Moved it to the miners thread.
BC
This is the Giants thread, and it is 2023, correct? Lex didn't specify which Giants when he started it. . . .
LOL
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Crafter Artisan - 01-22-2023
(01-22-2023, 11:41 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-22-2023, 09:46 AM)BobK Wrote: Uh that’s a football team. Lol not baseball
Moved it to the miners thread.
BC
That would require membership in a UTEP fan community wouldn't it? However I could be wrong....
RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - CompSci87 - 01-22-2023
(01-22-2023, 11:41 AM)BostonCard Wrote:(01-22-2023, 09:46 AM)BobK Wrote: Uh that’s a football team. Lol not baseball
Moved it to the miners thread.
BC
"A miner 49er and his daughter Clementine"?