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Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - FarmBoy - 11-08-2012

So, how do you go about firing your DC, if he's also your dad?

Quote:he defense that Kiffin's father, Monte, runs (he's the defensive coordinator and reportedly gets paid $1.5 million per year) is historically awful.

They're 49th in the country in points against.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - FarmBoy - 11-08-2012

So, how do you go about firing your DC, if he's also your dad?

Quote:he defense that Kiffin's father, Monte, runs (he's the defensive coordinator and reportedly gets paid $1.5 million per year) is historically awful.

They're 49th in the country in points against.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - Griffins78 - 11-08-2012

(11-08-2012, 10:37 AM)Extra Point link Wrote:Maybe there should be a board text replacement: something like, "the coach with deflated balls."
I like it!

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - Griffins78 - 11-08-2012

(11-08-2012, 10:37 AM)Extra Point link Wrote:Maybe there should be a board text replacement: something like, "the coach with deflated balls."
I like it!

Re: The most horrifying post in the history Here you go - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

I had a position coach in Kansas City, Ted Cottrell, great guy and coach.  One day he's reviewing the practice films with us linebackers (yes, you film or tape practices and drills in the NFL) and he says, "some of you guys are flat-dicking it out there".  We're looking at each other, and he says, attempting to explain, "well, you all know what a flat dick is good for don't you?". Self evident answer is "nothing" if you haven't figured it out...
Anyway, when I saw this report, all I could think of was that Trojans like soft balls.  It ain't much, but then, it ain't much of a story.  They were trying to give their kickers an edge would be my guess.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history Here you go - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

I had a position coach in Kansas City, Ted Cottrell, great guy and coach.  One day he's reviewing the practice films with us linebackers (yes, you film or tape practices and drills in the NFL) and he says, "some of you guys are flat-dicking it out there".  We're looking at each other, and he says, attempting to explain, "well, you all know what a flat dick is good for don't you?". Self evident answer is "nothing" if you haven't figured it out...
Anyway, when I saw this report, all I could think of was that Trojans like soft balls.  It ain't much, but then, it ain't much of a story.  They were trying to give their kickers an edge would be my guess.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history Here you go - Farm93 - 11-08-2012

(11-08-2012, 01:08 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:They were trying to give their kickers an edge would be my guess.
But the kickers usually have their own footballs, so deflating the others would not really be necessary or helpful.

Still, I am amazed that the Pac-12 is falling for this idea that the manager did this on their own.

I think many of us could imagine ourselves in the student manager role.  I would happily run back to the athletic center to get an iPad, or upload some new plays late a night, place stickers on helmets, etc.  I would wake up players at 3AM, carry 80 bike lock keys during the game or any other number of odd tasks the staff might have requested.  What I could not imagine is that I would systematically lower the air pressure of the footballs unless some one from the staff or upperclassmen on the team had told me to do it.

Even now I can't help but wonder if changing the air pressure might negatively impact the team because that is not how they practiced or whatever.  That idea and the implementation of that idea most certainly was endorsed by somebody much higher up.

Either Kiffin and company have no control over anything that happens during the games (a bad sign for a program on probation for a lack of institutional control) or somebody on that staff was desperate for an edge.

It ain't much of a benefit, but its root cause or inspiration probably is a story.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history Here you go - Farm93 - 11-08-2012

(11-08-2012, 01:08 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:They were trying to give their kickers an edge would be my guess.
But the kickers usually have their own footballs, so deflating the others would not really be necessary or helpful.

Still, I am amazed that the Pac-12 is falling for this idea that the manager did this on their own.

I think many of us could imagine ourselves in the student manager role.  I would happily run back to the athletic center to get an iPad, or upload some new plays late a night, place stickers on helmets, etc.  I would wake up players at 3AM, carry 80 bike lock keys during the game or any other number of odd tasks the staff might have requested.  What I could not imagine is that I would systematically lower the air pressure of the footballs unless some one from the staff or upperclassmen on the team had told me to do it.

Even now I can't help but wonder if changing the air pressure might negatively impact the team because that is not how they practiced or whatever.  That idea and the implementation of that idea most certainly was endorsed by somebody much higher up.

Either Kiffin and company have no control over anything that happens during the games (a bad sign for a program on probation for a lack of institutional control) or somebody on that staff was desperate for an edge.

It ain't much of a benefit, but its root cause or inspiration probably is a story.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - TreeWeird - 11-08-2012

I'm guessing this AC/DC classic is in LSJUMB's repertoire, although I can't specifically recall them playing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g23GiivXC78

It would probable be hard to sneak even a subtle reference by the censors at the Coliseum next year.  How about LSJUMB make a proposal to Oregon to let the band go on the field next week if they promise to do a salute to USC? 




Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - TreeWeird - 11-08-2012

I'm guessing this AC/DC classic is in LSJUMB's repertoire, although I can't specifically recall them playing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g23GiivXC78

It would probable be hard to sneak even a subtle reference by the censors at the Coliseum next year.  How about LSJUMB make a proposal to Oregon to let the band go on the field next week if they promise to do a salute to USC? 




Re: The most horrifying post @FARM93 no, rule changes prohibit - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

kickers from having differentiated footballs.  This was done at both the NFL and NCAA levels a few years ago.  Among other things, Nitrogen or Helium inflated, or balls worn, or softer, often favored by kickers are NOT allowed to be substituted in and out  on game day.

Re: The most horrifying post @FARM93 no, rule changes prohibit - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

kickers from having differentiated footballs.  This was done at both the NFL and NCAA levels a few years ago.  Among other things, Nitrogen or Helium inflated, or balls worn, or softer, often favored by kickers are NOT allowed to be substituted in and out  on game day.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history Here you go - ChicagoCard - 11-08-2012

(11-08-2012, 01:36 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=6755.msg51602#msg51602 date=1352405292]
They were trying to give their kickers an edge would be my guess.
But the kickers usually have their own footballs, so deflating the others would not really be necessary or helpful.

Still, I am amazed that the Pac-12 is falling for this idea that the manager did this on their own.[/quote]

I think I remember the CBS story mentioning that a slightly deflated ball would be easier to throw, although they were both passing the ball so I suppose the idea might have been that long balls would be better served, or that Barkley prefers it that way. Anyway, this along with the other shenanigans add up to a black eye for the T.rojans over and above the failure to meet pre-season expectations. I don't see how the team on the field can salvage much this year. ASU and UCLA will be challenges for them and even if U.SC wins both of those, then go up to Eugene and lose again? A win over ND would help but I can see Kiffin getting the boot. Maybe Haden succeeds in bringing in Gruden.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history Here you go - ChicagoCard - 11-08-2012

(11-08-2012, 01:36 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:[quote author=johnnyo53 link=topic=6755.msg51602#msg51602 date=1352405292]
They were trying to give their kickers an edge would be my guess.
But the kickers usually have their own footballs, so deflating the others would not really be necessary or helpful.

Still, I am amazed that the Pac-12 is falling for this idea that the manager did this on their own.[/quote]

I think I remember the CBS story mentioning that a slightly deflated ball would be easier to throw, although they were both passing the ball so I suppose the idea might have been that long balls would be better served, or that Barkley prefers it that way. Anyway, this along with the other shenanigans add up to a black eye for the T.rojans over and above the failure to meet pre-season expectations. I don't see how the team on the field can salvage much this year. ASU and UCLA will be challenges for them and even if U.SC wins both of those, then go up to Eugene and lose again? A win over ND would help but I can see Kiffin getting the boot. Maybe Haden succeeds in bringing in Gruden.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of CBS story? - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

Don't know about that.  The firmer they are, the better they spin.  I was a long snapper too, trust me, I didn't like underinflated footballs at all.  Maybe qb's with smaller hands might, I don't know.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of CBS story? - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

Don't know about that.  The firmer they are, the better they spin.  I was a long snapper too, trust me, I didn't like underinflated footballs at all.  Maybe qb's with smaller hands might, I don't know.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - dabigv13 - 11-08-2012

All the stories do seem to mention that underinflated balls are easier to throw and catch. I don't personally know the mandated NCAA standard, but from my experience a well-inflated ball is easier to throw tight spirals with, but more difficult to catch. Our med school intramural football team was quarterbacked by a former U of Illinois backup QB, and he preferred well inflated footballs, that he could absolutely rocket. Was a bit easier to catch when he was throwing slightly underinflated ones.

Then again my hands aren't on the same level as Marqise Lee or Robert Woods. Hard to imagine they'd need much help.

Also just wanted to point out that both teams use their own set of balls on offense- the Oregon offensive players would therefore would not have the same advantages or disadvantages, and only a very astute Oregon DB would catch on if he intercepted it.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - dabigv13 - 11-08-2012

All the stories do seem to mention that underinflated balls are easier to throw and catch. I don't personally know the mandated NCAA standard, but from my experience a well-inflated ball is easier to throw tight spirals with, but more difficult to catch. Our med school intramural football team was quarterbacked by a former U of Illinois backup QB, and he preferred well inflated footballs, that he could absolutely rocket. Was a bit easier to catch when he was throwing slightly underinflated ones.

Then again my hands aren't on the same level as Marqise Lee or Robert Woods. Hard to imagine they'd need much help.

Also just wanted to point out that both teams use their own set of balls on offense- the Oregon offensive players would therefore would not have the same advantages or disadvantages, and only a very astute Oregon DB would catch on if he intercepted it.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

Again, I doubt it had anything to do with the USC offense.  Barkley isn't going to want to spin a soft football, and what the receivers want doesn't matter, they're going to have to catch the rock hard game balls in the NFL too.  Somebody was trying to help the kickers.

Re: The most horrifying post in the history of the CardBoard - JohnOlenchalk - 11-08-2012

Again, I doubt it had anything to do with the USC offense.  Barkley isn't going to want to spin a soft football, and what the receivers want doesn't matter, they're going to have to catch the rock hard game balls in the NFL too.  Somebody was trying to help the kickers.