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RE: Davis Mills going pro - cardcrimson - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 04:32 PM)slide Wrote:
(12-31-2020, 04:02 PM)AthleticsDynasty Wrote: ...Even Bama isn't winning with a bunch or freshman and sophomores. Thats not realistic and never has been. Also forget 5 years we can't even keep them for 4 years

fwiw, Alabama has 8 FR or SO in the offensive 2-deep, including 3 SO starters. on defense, Alabama has 11 FR or SO in the 2-deep including 5 FR/SO starters. Alabama plays (and develops) young talent rather than deferring to seniority. I wish Shaw would do more of that (or both).

Slide, please. Don't compare Stanford to Alabama on this board. Trust me from experience, the masses don't want to hear it.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - slide - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 04:42 PM)AthleticsDynasty Wrote: How many of those sophomores are RS sophomores? Either way a majority of the players are uppclassmen, winning with freshman and sophomores is not realistic even at Bama where they can take 25+ recuiting classed every year and cut players on whim.

0. RS SO were not included in the count. (iirc) add 5 more if you include RS SO to the list.

25 scholarships are the limit annually with an 85 scholarship cap -- same rules for Stanford. scholarships are now guaranteed for 4 years at all D-1 schools, so you can't cut on whim. again same rule for Alabama and Stanford.

our scholarship misuse is self-inflicted and has been going on for 5-6-7 years under Shaw. same is true on aversion to playing FR and SO, especially at offensive skill positions.

lex24 - lex24 - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 04:46 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-31-2020, 04:32 PM)slide Wrote:
(12-31-2020, 04:02 PM)AthleticsDynasty Wrote: ...Even Bama isn't winning with a bunch or freshman and sophomores. Thats not realistic and never has been. Also forget 5 years we can't even keep them for 4 years

fwiw, Alabama has 8 FR or SO in the offensive 2-deep, including 3 SO starters. on defense, Alabama has 11 FR or SO in the 2-deep including 5 FR/SO starters. Alabama plays (and develops) young talent rather than deferring to seniority. I wish Shaw would do more of that (or both).

Slide, please. Don't compare Stanford to Alabama on this board. Trust me from experience, the masses don't want to hear it.

Well, Card, two things may be equally true: Shaw needs to rely more on and develop underclassman faster (and end the scholarship misuse Slide mentions); and comparing Alabama to Stanford is folly. Bama has the No 1 recruiting class every year. It’s a football factory. I mean, Waddle is the best receiver in the country. He gets hurt. And so now their no 2 receiver is probably going to win the Hiseman.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - 81alum - 12-31-2020

I don't know whether this is a good or a bad decision for Mills.

But decisions like this, in which the professional and business interests of the players are increasingly prominent in the game, leave me cold. I enjoyed college sports more when I could become attached to certain players. Without that, the magic of the game is lost.

RE: lex24 - cardcrimson - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 05:11 PM)lex24 Wrote:
(12-31-2020, 04:46 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-31-2020, 04:32 PM)slide Wrote:
(12-31-2020, 04:02 PM)AthleticsDynasty Wrote: ...Even Bama isn't winning with a bunch or freshman and sophomores. Thats not realistic and never has been. Also forget 5 years we can't even keep them for 4 years

fwiw, Alabama has 8 FR or SO in the offensive 2-deep, including 3 SO starters. on defense, Alabama has 11 FR or SO in the 2-deep including 5 FR/SO starters. Alabama plays (and develops) young talent rather than deferring to seniority. I wish Shaw would do more of that (or both).

Slide, please. Don't compare Stanford to Alabama on this board. Trust me from experience, the masses don't want to hear it.

Well, Card, two things may be equally true: Shaw needs to rely more on and develop underclassman faster (and end the scholarship misuse Slide mentions); and comparing Alabama to Stanford is folly. Bama has the No 1 recruiting class every year. It’s a football factory. I mean, Waddle is the best receiver in the country. He gets hurt. And so now their no 2 receiver is probably going to win the Hiseman.

Damn, where's that sarcasm emoji when I need it.

And to your point. Why does Alabama have the best recruiting class in the country? Perhaps because they do a great job of recruiting, they really work at it . . . .Oh crap, I'm going against my own advice. . . .

RE: Davis Mills going pro - BostonCard - 12-31-2020

Here's the two-deep from Alabama:

https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/alabama/89923

I count the following among starters on offense and defense:
2 Freshmen (both on defense)
5 true sophomores (2 on offense and 3 on defense)
3 RS sophomores (2 on offense, 1 on defense)
2 true juniors (both on defense)
5 redshirt juniors (1 on offense, 4 on defense)
3 true seniors (all on offense)
3 redshirt seniors (all on offense)

Breaking that down in terms of years in the program:
First year: 2
Second year: 5
Third year: 5
Fourth year: 8
Fifth year: 3

In terms of redshirts:
11 players have redshirted
12 players have not redshirted

The equivalent numbers from Stanford:
First year: 0 (true freshmen)
Second year: 9 (5 true sophomores, 4 redshirt freshmen)
Third year: 4 (2 true juniors and 2 redshirt sophomores)
Fourth year: 7 (7 redshirt juniors)
Fifth year: 3

In terms of redshirts:
16 players have redshirted
7 players have not redshirted

The bottom line is that the distribution of experience is pretty similar between the two teams, relying on players in their second, third, and fourth years in the program. We redshirt more players, and don't have any true freshmen starting (but Alabama only has 2). But the difference is hardly striking. And now that players can play up to four games without losing their redshirt, a lot of our true sophomores have seen action.

BC

RE: Davis Mills going pro - Phogge - 12-31-2020

Mills has a chance, Sarell has a chance, Fehoko has a wife, Dalman will be an excellent backup in the NFL and because of injuries that all NFL teams face every year he might just prove himself.

Antoine? It's ten to five on NY's Eve. I'm leaving my cave and going to fix us a drink. He wasn't close to Terrance Brown's skill level and Brown couldn't cut it in the league. Hope he has a nice life but come on...............

Next year? Triple option with Second Lieutenant Sanders running for 1100 and passing for 400.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - 82lsju - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 05:56 PM)Phogge Wrote: Antoine? It's ten to five on NY's Eve. I'm leaving my cave and going to fix us a drink. He wasn't close to Terrance Brown's skill level and Brown couldn't cut it in the league. Hope he has a nice life but come on...............

or he's just ready to move on with his life after five years in the program (he's already got his degree) and will take a shot at being drafted, if that doesn't happen (and it would be pretty surprising if he did get drafted) he goes on with his life, I don't see much personal downside for him to say he's entering the draft...except maybe some eye rolls...

RE: Davis Mills going pro - BostonCard - 12-31-2020

I mean, Antoine is in his fifth year in the program, and I don't think it costs him much to "put his name" in the NFL draft. He can have a nice little twitter announcement like the rest, and then "go pro" in media studies and management science and engineering (so I presume the business of media).

BC

RE: Davis Mills going pro - old spanish trail - 12-31-2020

[quote="81alum" pid='303532' dateline='1609461245']
I don't know whether this is a good or a bad decision for Mills.

But decisions like this, in which the professional and business interests of the players are increasingly prominent in the game, leave me cold. I enjoyed college sports more when I could become attached to certain players. Without that, the magic of the game is lost.

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I too wish h'ed stayed, but that's just to provide entertainment and excitement for ME. He's been on the farm for four years, is 22, and ready to graduate. I am sure Shaw gave him good advice, both pros and cons. He effortlessly throws a beautiful, catchable ball and is mobile enuf if he doesn't get injured. He would have shown all that even more next year, but 90% of draft choices are based on potential. And, he has tremendous potential. Hopefully, he goes to a team that has a good scheme for him and won't get him killed like Plunkett. I think he goes in first 3 rounds. No big rookie K but plenty of coin down the road if he's as good as I think he is.

Re next year, Shaw will have to play McKee. And, he is going to be really good.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - teejers1 - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 06:44 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: [quote="81alum" pid='303532' dateline='1609461245']
I don't know whether this is a good or a bad decision for Mills.

But decisions like this, in which the professional and business interests of the players are increasingly prominent in the game, leave me cold. I enjoyed college sports more when I could become attached to certain players. Without that, the magic of the game is lost.

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I too wish h'ed stayed, but that's just to provide entertainment and excitement for ME. He's been on the farm for four years, is 22, and ready to graduate. I am sure Shaw gave him good advice, both pros and cons. He effortlessly throws a beautiful, catchable ball and is mobile enuf if he doesn't get injured. He would have shown all that even more next year, but 90% of draft choices are based on potential. And, he has tremendous potential. Hopefully, he goes to a team that has a good scheme for him and won't get him killed like Plunkett. I think he goes in first 3 rounds. No big rookie K but plenty of coin down the road if he's as good as I think he is.

Re next year, Shaw will have to play McKee. And, he is going to be really good.

1. I agree that Mills will climb the draft boards, and I think he is a Top 5 QB in this class. That means nothing, of course, as to where he is drafted, but he will be drafted by end of R3 for sure.

2. Why is is that Stanford players are jumping with eligibility remaining, far more than has historically been the case for Stanford? That's the most disconcerting thing about what we've been seeing lately. And it's not like these guys are mortal locks for even one NFL contract.

3. There are undoubtedly a host of factors in the decision mix - which is tantamount to saying "coming back is not 'worth it' to me" - but one of them has to be the lack of football upside (6-6 best case scenario doesn't scream: gotta return and give it a go). Whatever the cause(s), I agree that Shaw has to adjust and make changes - what we are seeing is further evidence of program decline.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - winflop - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 03:15 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Shaw has to continue to adapt to an environment where he cannot count on 5th year players. He has to create an environment where players can reach their peak level of contribution within a year or two, not three or four.

At least at QB, this would require a complete re-tooling of the playbook. That may end up being his downfall, but it's not going to happen on his watch.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - BostonCard - 12-31-2020

Shaw started Hogan midway through his redshirt freshman year.
Shaw started Chryst midway through his redshirt sophomore year.
Shaw started Costello midway through his redshirt freshman year.
Shaw started Mills midway through his redshirt sophomore year.
So we shouldn't be surprised if McKee starts his redshirt freshman year. The only thing unusual would be if he starts on his first game.

BC

RE: Davis Mills going pro - fullmetal - 12-31-2020

If Mills has a shot, he should take it. Have we learned nothing from Bryce Love? How many of us would like to see Love healthy and successful right now in the pros instead of dealing with a litany of chain-reaction injuries season after season? And QBs are not immune to injury-shortened careers either, and Mills has had enough of that adversity...

If there's one good thing from Stanford's season, it's that Stanford players can still get drafted. Top HS recruits should want to come to Stanford and succeed in both the classroom and on draft day. That might not help the incoming class, but it can help the next one. What's done this year is done, and that's on Shaw. He seems to know it.

Time for the assistant coaches to prove their worth and coach up some names we haven't heard often before. The OL needs to make holes for Jones/Peat, and someone's gotta sling the rock to Wilson/Wedington/Tremaine. The cupboard is not bare. And shootouts are fun.

Happy New Year! Let the kids make their own life decisions.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - martyup - 12-31-2020

And we enter the era of McKee . . .

http://www.hudl.com/v/2CXLQK

RE: Davis Mills going pro - CowboyIndian - 12-31-2020

(12-31-2020, 02:19 PM)donkey687 Wrote: Hilsinki is interesting....

And those Finnish women!!

RE: Davis Mills going pro - old spanish trail - 01-01-2021

[quote="martyup" pid='303588' dateline='1609478924']

And we enter the era of McKee . . .

http://www.hudl.com/v/2CXLQK

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Pretty damn good. He likes to run it down the gut. Fairly quick delivery that can still improve. Direct point to point passes. Like him.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - AthleticsDynasty - 01-01-2021

(12-31-2020, 05:34 PM)81alum Wrote: I don't know whether this is a good or a bad decision for Mills.

But decisions like this, in which the professional and business interests of the players are increasingly prominent in the game, leave me cold. I enjoyed college sports more when I could become attached to certain players. Without that, the magic of the game is lost.

Can I interpret this as a very sweet way of saying if the players the team don't care why should I? Which is pretty much where I'm at with college football as a whole not just my Stanford fandom.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - JohnR34231 - 01-01-2021

(01-01-2021, 12:34 AM)AthleticsDynasty Wrote:
(12-31-2020, 05:34 PM)81alum Wrote: I don't know whether this is a good or a bad decision for Mills.

But decisions like this, in which the professional and business interests of the players are increasingly prominent in the game, leave me cold. I enjoyed college sports more when I could become attached to certain players. Without that, the magic of the game is lost.

Can I interpret this as a very sweet way of saying if the players the team don't care why should I? Which is pretty much where I'm at with college football as a whole not just my Stanford fandom.

I think the players care, but at least for the better ones, their primary goal seems to be getting to the NFL as soon as they can. With the kind of bucks the NFL hands out it's hard to blame them, but it does take some of the fun out of the fan experience.

RE: Davis Mills going pro - Snorlax94 - 01-01-2021

I gotta say I was surprised by this decision. I thought Mills was headed for a pretty great situation. Even with Sarell, Fehoko ans Dalman departing, the remaining situation seemed pretty ideal to me — lots of great linemen returning, lots of amazing receivers returning, and multiple good running backs who may come back next year even better. And a team that ended as the hottest team in its conference with 4 consecutive road wins. So it seemed to me a great way to improve one’s national visibility. But it will be someone else’s opportunity now.

I do think Mills has an unbelievable arm. I don’t see him starting in the NFL next year and I think he still had a lot of other areas to grow in, but hopefully the right team sees an opportunity to invest in him. I think the potential is there for him to be a great NFL quarterback someday and it’d be thrilling to see that happen.