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RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - Farm93 - 08-10-2020

FWIW - I don't think the game of football is the concern.   I don't think the football practices are the concern.  The NHL, MLS, the NBA Bubble and the WNBA "Wubble" are proving that the bubble model works.  

I think the problem for colleges has always been the travel coupled with mixing of different geographic communities.

Home and visitor style competitions bring different communities together and exposes the visiting athletes to a full range of COVID risks associated with travel.  (Bus operators to airport, home town airport, airplane, visiting town airport, bus operators in visiting town, hotel, meals, stadium staff, visiting team, and TV coverage team)

So the question is not really would the player be safer at home or on campus.   I think for a lot of the student-athletes (but not all) the campus environment could be safer.    The question becomes is a student-athlete that follows health related guidelines in their home town safer there than in a sport with multiple road trips.  

Also, I know a lot of coaches are willing to take the risk of interacting with the players, but there are other college staff members that don't quite get a vote here.   I am talking about the "essential workers", the grounds crews, the stadium and facility maintenance members and janitors, the food service staff, etc. etc.   For all of them the risk of acquiring COVID is significantly greater if games are played.    Don't believe me?   Just ask the stadium staff for the Philadelphia Phillies.

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - chrisk - 08-10-2020

If the Stanford players remain on campus, they would be subject to the same requirements as other undergraduates, which are reasonably stringent. Of course, with Stanford starting in mid-September, it is possible Stanford could pull the plug on bringing half of the undergrads to campus, depending on how other schools fare.

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - donkey687 - 08-10-2020

(08-10-2020, 12:09 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  FWIW - I don't think the game of football is the concern.   I don't think the football practices are the concern.  The NHL, MLS, the NBA Bubble and the WNBA "Wubble" are proving that the bubble model works.  

I think the problem for colleges has always been the travel coupled with mixing of different geographic communities.

Home and visitor style competitions bring different communities together and exposes the visiting athletes to a full range of COVID risks associated with travel.  (Bus operators to airport, home town airport, airplane, visiting town airport, bus operators in visiting town, hotel, meals, stadium staff, visiting team, and TV coverage team)

So the question is not really would the player be safer at home or on campus.   I think for a lot of the student-athletes (but not all) the campus environment could be safer.    The question becomes is a student-athlete that follows health related guidelines in their home town safer there than in a sport with multiple road trips.  

Also, I know a lot of coaches are willing to take the risk of interacting with the players, but there are other college staff members that don't quite get a vote here.   I am talking about the "essential workers", the grounds crews, the stadium and facility maintenance members and janitors, the food service staff, etc. etc.   For all of them the risk of acquiring COVID is significantly greater if games are played.    Don't believe me?   Just ask the stadium staff for the Philadelphia Phillies.

Come on. The risk isn't a bunch of supervised and tested players traveling together and staying in hotel rooms.  Infections among college students come from swarms of them partying together in bars and indoor locations.  That is what college students do whether at home or college.  Football players with a season to play for and weekly COVID tests are going to be a lot more careful than those who don't have that to play for.
(08-10-2020, 12:21 PM)chrisk Wrote:  If the Stanford players remain on campus, they would be subject to the same requirements as other undergraduates, which are reasonably stringent.  Of course, with Stanford starting in mid-September, it is possible Stanford could pull the plug on bringing half of the undergrads to vampus, depending on how other schools fare.

Only half the students will be on campus at a time. What about the 50% of the team that isn't on campus? Will they have the same testing access? Will they be motivated to practice the same social distancing techniques when they are hanging with their friends in their hometown as they would be this fall trying to stay healthy for a football season?

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - OutsiderFan - 08-10-2020

My LCF Nurse friend went 2+ months without a Covid case after a terrible April.

Then, a dumb ass Nursing Assistant invited her family from Florida to visit here in CT, in spite of the fact there is a 14-day quarantine in place for people coming from states like Florida. Lo and behold, she tested positive AFTER she was dealing with patients.

My friend is P - I - S - S - E - D off to say the least. They are now waiting for test results to see if they have a new outbreak in their building. Even if they don't have new cases, this is the kind of thing that can blow up the good discipline of an entire team.  I just don't see how on Earth college football teams of 100+ players who in some cases will be around other students, and staff in the dozens, are going to avoid the kinds of realities being visited upon my friend's LCF.

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - BostonCard - 08-10-2020

To be honest, we shouldn't even be thinking about college football while at the same time half of Stanford students are going to school from home and the other half are watching their classes from their very isolated dorm rooms.  I get the sentiment behind #WeWantToPlay and I am sympathetic.  But where is the hasthag for #WeWantToLearn?

BC

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - Giants - 08-10-2020

(08-10-2020, 12:09 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  FWIW - I don't think the game of football is the concern.   I don't think the football practices are the concern.  The NHL, MLS, the NBA Bubble and the WNBA "Wubble" are proving that the bubble model works.  

I think the problem for colleges has always been the travel coupled with mixing of different geographic communities.

Home and visitor style competitions bring different communities together and exposes the visiting athletes to a full range of COVID risks associated with travel.  (Bus operators to airport, home town airport, airplane, visiting town airport, bus operators in visiting town, hotel, meals, stadium staff, visiting team, and TV coverage team)

So the question is not really would the player be safer at home or on campus.   I think for a lot of the student-athletes (but not all) the campus environment could be safer.    The question becomes is a student-athlete that follows health related guidelines in their home town safer there than in a sport with multiple road trips.  

Also, I know a lot of coaches are willing to take the risk of interacting with the players, but there are other college staff members that don't quite get a vote here.   I am talking about the "essential workers", the grounds crews, the stadium and facility maintenance members and janitors, the food service staff, etc. etc.   For all of them the risk of acquiring COVID is significantly greater if games are played.    Don't believe me?   Just ask the stadium staff for the Philadelphia Phillies.

Based on what I have read one of the most significant issues relates to liability.  Schools want players to waive their rights as they relate to liability.  Players want to retain those rights.  No agreement; no games.

lex24 - lex24 - 08-10-2020

(08-10-2020, 02:53 PM)Giants Wrote:  
(08-10-2020, 12:09 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  FWIW - I don't think the game of football is the concern.   I don't think the football practices are the concern.  The NHL, MLS, the NBA Bubble and the WNBA "Wubble" are proving that the bubble model works.  

I think the problem for colleges has always been the travel coupled with mixing of different geographic communities.

Home and visitor style competitions bring different communities together and exposes the visiting athletes to a full range of COVID risks associated with travel.  (Bus operators to airport, home town airport, airplane, visiting town airport, bus operators in visiting town, hotel, meals, stadium staff, visiting team, and TV coverage team)

So the question is not really would the player be safer at home or on campus.   I think for a lot of the student-athletes (but not all) the campus environment could be safer.    The question becomes is a student-athlete that follows health related guidelines in their home town safer there than in a sport with multiple road trips.  

Also, I know a lot of coaches are willing to take the risk of interacting with the players, but there are other college staff members that don't quite get a vote here.   I am talking about the "essential workers", the grounds crews, the stadium and facility maintenance members and janitors, the food service staff, etc. etc.   For all of them the risk of acquiring COVID is significantly greater if games are played.    Don't believe me?   Just ask the stadium staff for the Philadelphia Phillies.

Based on what I have read one of the most significant issues relates to liability.  Schools want players to waive their rights as they relate to liability.  Players want to retain those rights.  No agreement; no games.

Then no games. Shame on schools for seeking that waiver.

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - Phogge - 08-10-2020

Gap year.

RE: lex24 - donkey687 - 08-10-2020

(08-10-2020, 02:57 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(08-10-2020, 02:53 PM)Giants Wrote:  
(08-10-2020, 12:09 PM)Farm93 Wrote:  FWIW - I don't think the game of football is the concern.   I don't think the football practices are the concern.  The NHL, MLS, the NBA Bubble and the WNBA "Wubble" are proving that the bubble model works.  

I think the problem for colleges has always been the travel coupled with mixing of different geographic communities.

Home and visitor style competitions bring different communities together and exposes the visiting athletes to a full range of COVID risks associated with travel.  (Bus operators to airport, home town airport, airplane, visiting town airport, bus operators in visiting town, hotel, meals, stadium staff, visiting team, and TV coverage team)

So the question is not really would the player be safer at home or on campus.   I think for a lot of the student-athletes (but not all) the campus environment could be safer.    The question becomes is a student-athlete that follows health related guidelines in their home town safer there than in a sport with multiple road trips.  

Also, I know a lot of coaches are willing to take the risk of interacting with the players, but there are other college staff members that don't quite get a vote here.   I am talking about the "essential workers", the grounds crews, the stadium and facility maintenance members and janitors, the food service staff, etc. etc.   For all of them the risk of acquiring COVID is significantly greater if games are played.    Don't believe me?   Just ask the stadium staff for the Philadelphia Phillies.

Based on what I have read one of the most significant issues relates to liability.  Schools want players to waive their rights as they relate to liability.  Players want to retain those rights.  No agreement; no games.

Then no games. Shame on schools for seeking that waiver.

I can understand why the colleges are asking for them and I can understand why players don't like them. It is a tricky issue. The college says there is risk in playing so we are giving you the option to play or not and will cover your scholarship if you choose not to play. If the player says, I am willing to take that risk, shouldn't the risk fall on them not the university that gave them the option to opt-out? I don't think it is shameful to be asking for them. I think it is prudent. If a player doesn't want to sign the waiver and doesn't want to play, that is a valid option and position to hold. Don't sign. Don't play. You can't have it both ways.

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - BostonCard - 08-10-2020

Mountain west postponed all fall sports, football included.

https://themw.com/news/2020/8/10/general-mountain-west-postpones-2020-fall-sports.aspx

BC

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - Giants - 08-10-2020

(08-09-2020, 07:38 PM)chrisk Wrote:  Most are reported to be in favor of postponing fall sports

Conferences want to make any decision together

Correction:  The B10 presidents did not meet on Monday.  And no vote has been taken.  

In fact, tremendous pressure is being brought to bear to postpone any decision until later.  For example, the President-elect of Ohio State is now leaning to vote to postpone a decision.  Politically, she is caught in the middle because of her status as one who is preparing to take office rather than currently in office.  As an article in The Athletic suggested she is now in “alignment” with the AD and Head Coach.  Given the lead dog position that Ohio State occupies in the conference, this matter is hardly settled.

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - chrisk - 08-11-2020

(08-10-2020, 10:39 PM)Giants Wrote:  
(08-09-2020, 07:38 PM)chrisk Wrote:  Most are reported to be in favor of postponing fall sports

Conferences want to make any decision together

Correction:  The B10 presidents did not meet on Monday.  And no vote has been taken.  

In fact, tremendous pressure is being brought to bear to postpone any decision until later.  For example, the President-elect of Ohio State is now leaning to vote to postpone a decision.  Politically, she is caught in the middle because of her status as one who is preparing to take office rather than currently in office.  As an article in The Athletic suggested she is now in “alignment” with the AD and Head Coach.  Given the lead dog position that Ohio State occupies in the conference, this matter is hardly settled.

The Big 10 Presidents met Saturday and Sunday and are expected to meet again Tuesday.

RE: Big 10 Presidents met tonight - chrisk - 08-11-2020

The Big 10 Presidents are meeting now. Pac-12 will have a meeting this afternoon.