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RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - cardcrimson - 04-22-2020
(04-22-2020, 08:23 PM)stupac2 Wrote: I just deleted a bunch of posts that weren't even attempting to be about covid. If you want to pick random partisan fights there's the entire rest of the internet for it.
If this drifts again I'm just locking it.
Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard. The vast majority of the posts are entirely partisan, but I guess most can't see that cause they're playing to the crowd.
You're welcome to post, as long as it fits our narrative. I was already told by one admin that my perspectives weren't welcome, guess now there are two admins that don't appreciate diversity of thought. . . .Great example for perspective Stanford students.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - BostonCard - 04-22-2020
(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard. The vast majority of the posts are entirely partisan, but I guess most can't see that cause they're playing to the crowd.
You're welcome to post, as long as it fits our narrative. I was already told by one admin that my perspectives weren't welcome, guess now there are two admins that don't appreciate diversity of thought. . . .Great example for perspective Stanford students.
Since I can see the deleted posts, I can assure you that the censored posts were bipartisan. I'm not stupac, but I think those very clearly were posts about the Supreme Court nomination fight and had no relation to COVID-19. And yes, posts supporting the accuser were also deleted.
BC
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - cardcrimson - 04-22-2020
(04-22-2020, 10:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard. The vast majority of the posts are entirely partisan, but I guess most can't see that cause they're playing to the crowd.
You're welcome to post, as long as it fits our narrative. I was already told by one admin that my perspectives weren't welcome, guess now there are two admins that don't appreciate diversity of thought. . . .Great example for perspective Stanford students.
Since I can see the deleted posts, I can assure you that the censored posts were bipartisan. I'm not stupac, but I think those very clearly were posts about the Supreme Court nomination fight and had no relation to COVID-19. And yes, posts supporting the accuser were also deleted.
BC
I posted that the same attorneys representing Dr Rick Bright (the former director of BARDA) were also the same attorneys representing Blassey Ford. Help me understand how that's not relevant to this thread? It's incredibly relevant.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - akiddoc - 04-22-2020
(04-22-2020, 10:31 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(04-22-2020, 10:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard. The vast majority of the posts are entirely partisan, but I guess most can't see that cause they're playing to the crowd.
You're welcome to post, as long as it fits our narrative. I was already told by one admin that my perspectives weren't welcome, guess now there are two admins that don't appreciate diversity of thought. . . .Great example for perspective Stanford students.
Since I can see the deleted posts, I can assure you that the censored posts were bipartisan. I'm not stupac, but I think those very clearly were posts about the Supreme Court nomination fight and had no relation to COVID-19. And yes, posts supporting the accuser were also deleted.
BC
I posted that the same attorneys representing Dr Rick Bright (the former director of BARDA) were also the same attorneys representing Blassey Ford. Help me understand how that's not relevant to this thread? It's incredibly relevant.
I absolutely do not see any relevance. Attorneys don't usually take on clients based on their political leanings.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - 2006alum - 04-22-2020
(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard.
Since you seem to hate this board and most of its posters, why do you stay? It seems like 90% of your posts are complaints about, and taunts towards, other posters, as well as the mods. Frankly, life is stressful enough right now that I think we could all do with a lot less of that.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - yvonne - 04-22-2020
(04-22-2020, 10:31 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(04-22-2020, 10:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard. The vast majority of the posts are entirely partisan, but I guess most can't see that cause they're playing to the crowd.
You're welcome to post, as long as it fits our narrative. I was already told by one admin that my perspectives weren't welcome, guess now there are two admins that don't appreciate diversity of thought. . . .Great example for perspective Stanford students.
Since I can see the deleted posts, I can assure you that the censored posts were bipartisan. I'm not stupac, but I think those very clearly were posts about the Supreme Court nomination fight and had no relation to COVID-19. And yes, posts supporting the accuser were also deleted.
BC
I posted that the same attorneys representing Dr Rick Bright (the former director of BARDA) were also the same attorneys representing Blassey Ford. Help me understand how that's not relevant to this thread? It's incredibly relevant.
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RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - Genuine Realist - 04-23-2020
(04-22-2020, 09:01 PM)BostonCard Wrote: BARDA is the agency; Bright is the agency director who was moved out.
I've had interactions with BARDA, which on the one hand makes me capable of evaluating it, but also probably biases me. That being said, I've seen no indications that BARDA's performance has been subpar. In fact, I'd say that the speed with which Moderna was able to open its clinical trial of the vaccine is a testament to how BARDA can enable and accelerate private research. That oral diagnostic touted in another thread? BARDA is funding and lending expertise (https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/orasure-technologies-receives-barda-contract-for-rapid-oral-fluid-pan-sars-coronavirus-in-home-self-test/).
In an HHS where there have been high profile flubs by both the CDC and FDA, BARDA actually has stood out as an agency that has stepped up to the challenge.
BC
Sorry. That was a slip of mind.
My point is that we have reached a point where a bureaucrat or civil servant can resign or be fired, point to some public dispute with Trump, and instantly be perceived as being in the right and fired on the basis of the dispute. That's not necessarily accurate.
In any case, Trump's reelection depends on the management of the C-19 crisis. There is very little margin for personalities here (as there is in more politicized positions, e.g., Comey.) I have my own rather negative view of Donald Trump. But it does not include stupidity. So I would reserve judgment here. There may be competence issues that are not immediately apparent.
(04-22-2020, 11:41 PM)akiddoc Wrote:I am trying to avoid direct political posts, and apologies for weakening on the Kavanaugh mess. However, there are attorneys and attorneys. Some firms are highly politicized and look for causes.(04-22-2020, 10:31 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(04-22-2020, 10:06 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard. The vast majority of the posts are entirely partisan, but I guess most can't see that cause they're playing to the crowd.
You're welcome to post, as long as it fits our narrative. I was already told by one admin that my perspectives weren't welcome, guess now there are two admins that don't appreciate diversity of thought. . . .Great example for perspective Stanford students.
Since I can see the deleted posts, I can assure you that the censored posts were bipartisan. I'm not stupac, but I think those very clearly were posts about the Supreme Court nomination fight and had no relation to COVID-19. And yes, posts supporting the accuser were also deleted.
BC
I posted that the same attorneys representing Dr Rick Bright (the former director of BARDA) were also the same attorneys representing Blassey Ford. Help me understand how that's not relevant to this thread? It's incredibly relevant.
I absolutely do not see any relevance. Attorneys don't usually take on clients based on their political leanings.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - BostonCard - 04-23-2020
Just because someone has a very strong incentive to get it right, doesn't mean that the person will or is capable of keeping temselves from getting in the way of things. We've all known plenty of very bright people whose personality flaws blinded them from following the best course of action.
BC
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - 2006alum - 04-23-2020
(04-23-2020, 09:41 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Just because someone has a very strong incentive to get it right, doesn't mean that the person will or is capable of keeping temselves from getting in the way of things. We've all known plenty of very bright people whose personality flaws blinded them from following the best course of action.
BC
BC, did you have me and approximately 1/3 of my posts to this forum in mind, or was that just coincidence? ;)
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - teejers1 - 04-23-2020
(04-22-2020, 11:43 PM)2006alum Wrote:(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard.
Since you seem to hate this board and most of its posters, why do you stay? It seems like 90% of your posts are complaints about, and taunts towards, other posters, as well as the mods. Frankly, life is stressful enough right now that I think we could all do with a lot less of that.
In other words: if you don't think the way I think, and agree with what I say, please just go away.
Why are you so concerned about his posting?
No worries for you, you're 'winning' in these parts anyway! It's reasonably close to an echo chamber in here as it is.
P.S. Garvin left years ago on censorship grounds (IIRC), much to the detriment of this place. And that's true even if some don't want to acknowledge that.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - 2006alum - 04-23-2020
(04-23-2020, 02:02 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(04-22-2020, 11:43 PM)2006alum Wrote:(04-22-2020, 09:47 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: Censorship at it's best. Wonderful place, the CARDBoard.
Since you seem to hate this board and most of its posters, why do you stay? It seems like 90% of your posts are complaints about, and taunts towards, other posters, as well as the mods. Frankly, life is stressful enough right now that I think we could all do with a lot less of that.
In other words: if you don't think the way I think, and agree with what I say, please just go away.
Why are you so concerned about his posting?
No worries for you, you're 'winning' in these parts anyway! It's reasonably close to an echo chamber in here as it is.
P.S. Garvin left years ago on censorship grounds (IIRC), much to the detriment of this place. And that's true even if some don't want to acknowledge that.
Not that it probably matters to you, but for what it's worth, I deleted my post that you quoted about 30 seconds after I hit post reply, and for who knows what reason, someone decided to undelete it (not me) 16 hours later...
But I stand by it. There are many folks I disagree with around here who do so respectfully and thoughtfully, with minimal low roads taken. Not true in this case. Trust me when I say I'm not the only one to have raised this...
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - oregontim - 04-23-2020
One of my posts was deleted. Mine was a direct response to a politics-not-covid post, a simple rebuttal. I'm fine with my answer being deleted along with the original post. I call that moderation, not censorship.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - Snorlax94 - 04-25-2020
Illinois reports significant increase in calls to poison control in the last two days
From CNN's Chuck Johnston
There has been a significant increase in calls to poison control in the state of Illinois in the last two days, Illinois Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said during a Saturday afternoon press conference.
Such calls included someone using a detergent based solution for a sinus rinse and another person gargling with a bleach and mouthwash mixture to kill germs, Ezike said.
She urged people to not use cleaning chemicals to try and kill the virus.
Injecting, ingesting, snorting household cleaners is dangerous. It is not advised and can be deadly," Ezike warned.
This comes after President Donald Trump suggested Thursday the possibility of injecting disinfectants to treat people with coronavirus.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - akiddoc - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 01:42 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Illinois reports significant increase in calls to poison control in the last two days
From CNN's Chuck Johnston
There has been a significant increase in calls to poison control in the state of Illinois in the last two days, Illinois Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said during a Saturday afternoon press conference.
Such calls included someone using a detergent based solution for a sinus rinse and another person gargling with a bleach and mouthwash mixture to kill germs, Ezike said.
She urged people to not use cleaning chemicals to try and kill the virus.
Injecting, ingesting, snorting household cleaners is dangerous. It is not advised and can be deadly," Ezike warned.
This comes after President Donald Trump suggested Thursday the possibility of injecting disinfectants to treat people with coronavirus.
I was thinking no one would be that stupid. But sometimes it is hard to remember that out of 330 million people, there will be some....
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - Genuine Realist - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 02:44 PM)akiddoc Wrote:A slightly less sensationalized link. Evidently TWO people in Illinois called in, as a result of using 'inappropriate exposure' to disinfectants - which may or may not mean ingesting them. The matter-of-fact civil servant notes that reports have been up 36% since the onset of social distancing, mostly from people using bleach and/or other home remedies for sanitation.(04-25-2020, 01:42 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Illinois reports significant increase in calls to poison control in the last two days
From CNN's Chuck Johnston
There has been a significant increase in calls to poison control in the state of Illinois in the last two days, Illinois Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said during a Saturday afternoon press conference.
Such calls included someone using a detergent based solution for a sinus rinse and another person gargling with a bleach and mouthwash mixture to kill germs, Ezike said.
She urged people to not use cleaning chemicals to try and kill the virus.
Injecting, ingesting, snorting household cleaners is dangerous. It is not advised and can be deadly," Ezike warned.
This comes after President Donald Trump suggested Thursday the possibility of injecting disinfectants to treat people with coronavirus.
I was thinking no one would be that stupid. But sometimes it is hard to remember that out of 330 million people, there will be some....
It's a good rule of thumb to be wary of any news report that informs you of 'significant' or 'alarming' increases in some obnoxious activity, without giving hard numbers. All of the media have become experts at that.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - ChicagoCard - 04-25-2020
I know this a delicate subject but I wonder if making a choice like that is less about stupidity than a faith-based one
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - magnus - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 02:55 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote:I posted a link in the Timelines thread (Since it had been talking about Trump's comments and the fallout).(04-25-2020, 02:44 PM)akiddoc Wrote:A slightly less sensationalized link. Evidently TWO people in Illinois called in, as a result of using 'inappropriate exposure' to disinfectants - which may or may not mean ingesting them. The matter-of-fact civil servant notes that reports have been up 36% since the onset of social distancing, mostly from people using bleach and/or other home remedies for sanitation.(04-25-2020, 01:42 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Illinois reports significant increase in calls to poison control in the last two days
From CNN's Chuck Johnston
There has been a significant increase in calls to poison control in the state of Illinois in the last two days, Illinois Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said during a Saturday afternoon press conference.
Such calls included someone using a detergent based solution for a sinus rinse and another person gargling with a bleach and mouthwash mixture to kill germs, Ezike said.
She urged people to not use cleaning chemicals to try and kill the virus.
Injecting, ingesting, snorting household cleaners is dangerous. It is not advised and can be deadly," Ezike warned.
This comes after President Donald Trump suggested Thursday the possibility of injecting disinfectants to treat people with coronavirus.
I was thinking no one would be that stupid. But sometimes it is hard to remember that out of 330 million people, there will be some....
It's a good rule of thumb to be wary of any news report that informs you of 'significant' or 'alarming' increases in some obnoxious activity, without giving hard numbers. All of the media have become experts at that.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-spike-poison-control-calls
Mentions NYC has seen a doubling of cleaning product related cases compared to last year at the same time (small sample size caveat, context and all that, but it does show that both sides of the media "line" are reporting on it)
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - Snorlax94 - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 02:55 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote: Evidently TWO people in Illinois called in, as a result of using 'inappropriate exposure' to disinfectants - which may or may not mean ingesting them. The matter-of-fact civil servant notes that reports have been up 36% since the onset of social distancing, mostly from people using bleach and/or other home remedies for sanitation.
It's a good rule of thumb to be wary of any news report that informs you of 'significant' or 'alarming' increases in some obnoxious activity, without giving hard numbers. All of the media have become experts at that.
NYC Poison Control Calls for Bleach, Lysol Double After Trump Disinfectant Comment
Calls to New York City's Poison Control Center for exposure to certain household chemicals more than doubled after President Donald Trump suggested injecting disinfectant might be one way to combat COVID-19, the city said Saturday.
In the 18 hours after the president's suggestion during a Thursday night news conference, the city center got 30 exposure calls -- nine specifically about Lysol, 10 about bleach and 11 about other household cleaners.
And perhaps by untrustworthy, sensationalist news sources, you meant this purveyor?https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-spike-poison-control-calls
States see spike in poison control calls following Trump's comments on injecting disinfectant
...
More concerning, though, is the number of people who actually went ahead with the suggestion.
In New York City, the Daily News reported that the Poison Control Center saw 30 cases of “exposure to Lysol, bleach & other cleaners in 18 hours after Trump’s suggestion” that cleaning products might be used to treat coronavirus. NYC Poison Control saw only 13 such cases in a similar period last year.
Kentucky has seen a similar surge in calls. According to WDRB, the Kentucky Poison Control Center receives 1,000 calls a day related to COVID-19 issues. Usually, the center gets around 150 calls a day.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - Genuine Realist - 04-25-2020
(04-25-2020, 03:08 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:I owe you some quantification on why I believe the article is bogus.(04-25-2020, 02:55 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote: Evidently TWO people in Illinois called in, as a result of using 'inappropriate exposure' to disinfectants - which may or may not mean ingesting them. The matter-of-fact civil servant notes that reports have been up 36% since the onset of social distancing, mostly from people using bleach and/or other home remedies for sanitation.
It's a good rule of thumb to be wary of any news report that informs you of 'significant' or 'alarming' increases in some obnoxious activity, without giving hard numbers. All of the media have become experts at that.
NYC Poison Control Calls for Bleach, Lysol Double After Trump Disinfectant Comment
Calls to New York City's Poison Control Center for exposure to certain household chemicals more than doubled after President Donald Trump suggested injecting disinfectant might be one way to combat COVID-19, the city said Saturday.
In the 18 hours after the president's suggestion during a Thursday night news conference, the city center got 30 exposure calls -- nine specifically about Lysol, 10 about bleach and 11 about other household cleaners.
And perhaps by untrustworthy, sensationalist news sources, you meant this purveyor?https://www.foxnews.com/us/states-spike-poison-control-calls
States see spike in poison control calls following Trump's comments on injecting disinfectant
...
More concerning, though, is the number of people who actually went ahead with the suggestion.
In New York City, the Daily News reported that the Poison Control Center saw 30 cases of “exposure to Lysol, bleach & other cleaners in 18 hours after Trump’s suggestion” that cleaning products might be used to treat coronavirus. NYC Poison Control saw only 13 such cases in a similar period last year.
Kentucky has seen a similar surge in calls. According to WDRB, the Kentucky Poison Control Center receives 1,000 calls a day related to COVID-19 issues. Usually, the center gets around 150 calls a day.
1. There are no hard numbers.
2. The point of comparison in New York isn't today and last WEEK. It's today and last YEAR. But the point of comparison should be the effect of Trump's statement. But it isn't there.
3. The factoids from Illinois and Kentucky also compare 2019 numbers with 2020. The Illinois numbers are the same as reported in my link, which also refer to a change annually.
4. Putting two and two together, what's been going on since March is a number of naive unfortunates misusing bleaches and other dsinifectants for sanitation, most likely in place of hand sanitizers. What's being reported is that long term response, rather than any specific reaction to Trump's statement.
And there are no cases of ingestion, which is in theory what Trump suggested. Akiddoc was right the first time. No one is that dumb.
And that's how you take a fact here, a fact there, spin some together with a few quotes from sympathetic officials. and make an article that implies a reaction to a specific event, when in fact there is little or no evidence of any such thing.
RE: More harmful Executive Branch behavior - chrisk - 04-25-2020
The blowback from Thursday was enough to limit Trump’s Friday press briefing to about 20 minutes with no questions and no appearance at all on Saturday.
The main news from the WH today was the likely axing of HHS head Azar. He has been pushed aside in recent weeks but is now being blamed for Bright’s whistleblower claim. Possible replacements are Dr Birx, Seema Verma, and The deputy at HHS, Eric Hargan.