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RE: Niners - Seahawks - stupac2 - 12-30-2019

(12-29-2019, 10:04 PM)Mick Wrote: I thought the penalty call on Garland was 100% bogus.

That was the late hit on the lineman? As a neutral fan I thought it sounded dubious until I saw the replay, the defensive player had clearly stopped playing when the lineman took him out, so I don't think the line that he couldn't hear the whistle is accurate. As Collinsworth was going on about it I was thinking "eh, I dunno, it's marginal but it's not wrong."

Re: penalties, I think any Niners fan will gladly trade that penalty for the non-call holding/DPI on Seattle's last series, that one pretty easily could've justified a flag.

At any rate, it was an entertaining game. My wife came downstairs to read her book near me and ended up being as engrossed in the ending as I was, she typically doesn't watch football at all (outside of attending Stanford games).

RE: Niners - Seahawks - Mick - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 11:43 AM)stupac2 Wrote:
(12-29-2019, 10:04 PM)Mick Wrote: I thought the penalty call on Garland was 100% bogus.

That was the late hit on the lineman? As a neutral fan I thought it sounded dubious until I saw the replay, the defensive player had clearly stopped playing when the lineman took him out, so I don't think the line that he couldn't hear the whistle is accurate. As Collinsworth was going on about it I was thinking "eh, I dunno, it's marginal but it's not wrong."

Re: penalties, I think any Niners fan will gladly trade that penalty for the non-call holding/DPI on Seattle's last series, that one pretty easily could've justified a flag.

At any rate, it was an entertaining game. My wife came downstairs to read her book near me and ended up being as engrossed in the ending as I was, she typically doesn't watch football at all (outside of attending Stanford games).

I think it was a late hit on a defensive back. Collinsworth was saying that you couldn't hear the whistles on the field. Gardner agreed (two separate articles in the link below):

https://theathletic.com/1496241/2019/12/30/talk-about-a-game-of-inches-five-49ers-observations-as-dre-greenlaws-massive-thump-clinches-the-nfcs-top-seed/

The Niners RBs are so good, that our center (and other linemen) are downfield blocking their DBs. Garland didn't hear the whistle, assumed the play was ongoing. And BTW...the non-holding DPIs were legion, throughout the game.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - qwerty49 - 12-30-2019

Watching that last drive was pure torture. The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

I checked the play by play and the last drive was 15 plays. It seemed like 30, neverending.

Nobody can ever say Russell Wilson doesn’t have heart.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - Mick - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 11:57 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Watching that last drive was pure torture. The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

I checked the play by play and the last drive was 15 plays. It seemed like 30, neverending.

Nobody can ever say Russell Wilson doesn’t have heart.

And speaking of heart, Wilson had seven plays to score from less than 12 yards out. Couldn't do it. 49ers defense were lion-hearts. That last tackle by Greenlaw reminded me of the 49er goal line stand against Cincinnati in their first Super Bowl, SB XVI. This clip has Dan Bunz's tackle, Hacksaw Reynolds' tackle, and the team tackle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT_JKBv9PrY

RE: Niners - Seahawks - cardcrimson - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 01:11 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 11:57 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Watching that last drive was pure torture. The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

I checked the play by play and the last drive was 15 plays. It seemed like 30, neverending.

Nobody can ever say Russell Wilson doesn’t have heart.

And speaking of heart, Wilson had seven plays to score from less than 12 yards out. Couldn't do it. 49ers defense were lion-hearts. That last tackle by Greenlaw reminded me of the 49er goal line stand against Cincinnati in their first Super Bowl, SB XVI. This clip has Dan Bunz's tackle, Hacksaw Reynolds' tackle, and the team tackle.

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RE: Niners - Seahawks - qwerty49 - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 01:11 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 11:57 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Watching that last drive was pure torture. The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

I checked the play by play and the last drive was 15 plays. It seemed like 30, neverending.

Nobody can ever say Russell Wilson doesn’t have heart.

And speaking of heart, Wilson had seven plays to score from less than 12 yards out. Couldn't do it. 49ers defense were lion-hearts. That last tackle by Greenlaw reminded me of the 49er goal line stand against Cincinnati in their first Super Bowl, SB XVI. This clip has Dan Bunz's tackle, Hacksaw Reynolds' tackle, and the team tackle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT_JKBv9PrY

Bunz stopping Charles Alexander was a classic.

Bosa and friends were coming full blast at Wilson that whole drive and IIRC only hit him once, after he’d gotten his pass off. The rest of the time they were coyotes missing the roadrunner. The play where he squirted up the middle right between the edge rush was amazing.

I hardly watch any NFL but it seems to me that he and Garoppolo both have really nice touch, as opposed to the classic cannon arm.

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RE: Niners - Seahawks - CompSci87 - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 01:32 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 01:11 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 11:57 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Watching that last drive was pure torture. The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

I checked the play by play and the last drive was 15 plays. It seemed like 30, neverending.

Nobody can ever say Russell Wilson doesn’t have heart.

And speaking of heart, Wilson had seven plays to score from less than 12 yards out. Couldn't do it. 49ers defense were lion-hearts. That last tackle by Greenlaw reminded me of the 49er goal line stand against Cincinnati in their first Super Bowl, SB XVI. This clip has Dan Bunz's tackle, Hacksaw Reynolds' tackle, and the team tackle.

"Video unavailable

This video contains content from NFL, who has blocked it from display on this website or application."

Click on the video's title in the upper left of the frame and you can watch it on YouTube. The NFL just doesn't allow it to embed on other sites.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - cardcrimson - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 02:15 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 01:32 PM)cardcrimson Wrote: [quote="Mick" pid='266047' dateline='1577736676']

Click on the video's title in the upper left of the frame and you can watch it on YouTube. The NFL just doesn't allow it to embed on other sites.

Great stuff, though Hacksaw should have been ejected for targeting on second down.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - stupac2 - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 11:54 AM)Mick Wrote: I think it was a late hit on a defensive back. Collinsworth was saying that you couldn't hear the whistles on the field. Gardner agreed (two separate articles in the link below):

https://theathletic.com/1496241/2019/12/30/talk-about-a-game-of-inches-five-49ers-observations-as-dre-greenlaws-massive-thump-clinches-the-nfcs-top-seed/

The Niners RBs are so good, that our center (and other linemen) are downfield blocking their DBs. Garland didn't hear the whistle, assumed the play was ongoing. And BTW...the non-holding DPIs were legion, throughout the game.

I meant the lineman committed the penalty. Obviously from the broadcast it's difficult to tell if someone on the field could hear the whistle, but the DB who he hit late had very clearly let up and was pretty ticked off about the hit, so someone knew the play was over, perhaps because he was watching the action and could see the tackle? I don't know, but I don't think that was a particularly weird flag to throw. Borderline, maybe, but not something I would've been griping about had it been against my team.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - terry - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 11:57 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

That's probably the worst delay of game penalty I can remember.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - Brickcity - 12-30-2019

(12-30-2019, 01:53 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 01:11 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 11:57 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Watching that last drive was pure torture. The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

I checked the play by play and the last drive was 15 plays. It seemed like 30, neverending.

Nobody can ever say Russell Wilson doesn’t have heart.

And speaking of heart, Wilson had seven plays to score from less than 12 yards out. Couldn't do it. 49ers defense were lion-hearts. That last tackle by Greenlaw reminded me of the 49er goal line stand against Cincinnati in their first Super Bowl, SB XVI. This clip has Dan Bunz's tackle, Hacksaw Reynolds' tackle, and the team tackle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT_JKBv9PrY

Bunz stopping Charles Alexander was a classic.

Bosa and friends were coming full blast at Wilson that whole drive and IIRC only hit him once, after he’d gotten his pass off. The rest of the time they were coyotes missing the roadrunner. The play where he squirted up the middle right between the edge rush was amazing.

I hardly watch any NFL but it seems to me that he and Garoppolo both have really nice touch, as opposed to the classic cannon arm.

(12-30-2019, 01:11 PM)Mick Wrote:
(12-30-2019, 11:57 AM)qwerty49 Wrote: Watching that last drive was pure torture. The last thing I wanted to see was Beast Mode getting the call from the 1. Saved by the DOG on that one.

I checked the play by play and the last drive was 15 plays. It seemed like 30, neverending.

Nobody can ever say Russell Wilson doesn’t have heart.

And speaking of heart, Wilson had seven plays to score from less than 12 yards out. Couldn't do it. 49ers defense were lion-hearts. That last tackle by Greenlaw reminded me of the 49er goal line stand against Cincinnati in their first Super Bowl, SB XVI. This clip has Dan Bunz's tackle, Hacksaw Reynolds' tackle, and the team tackle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT_JKBv9PrY

Bunz stopping Charles Alexander was a classic.

Bosa and friends were coming full blast at Wilson that whole drive and IIRC only hit him once, after he’d gotten his pass off. The rest of the time they were coyotes missing the roadrunner. The play where he squirted you the middle right between the edge rush was amazing.

I hardly watch any NFL but it seems to me that he and Garoppolo both have really nice touch, as opposed to the classic cannon arm.

Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't look like any of the 49ers on the field were celebrating after the 4th down stop. Imagine today if a team got a goal line stop like that: the entire defense would be running around celebrating for five minutes and doing all kinds of dances in the end zone. Oh, how I miss the 'ole days!

RE: Niners - Seahawks - Mick - 12-30-2019

Today, the NFL released a statement regarding the pass interference penalty that wasn't called at the end of the game. In short, they said that:

(a) The WR initiated contact.
(b) The DB reacted to the initiated contact.
© Both contacts were incidental.

Ergo, PI was not called.

Dre Greenlaw made a game-saving (and likely season-saving) tackle at the end of the Seahawks game last night.

Apart from that, he seems like a very good fellow:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/san-francisco-49ers-draft-pick-saved-girl-at-a-party-her-dad-takes-to-twitter-to-thank-him-4-years-later_2899581.html

RE: Niners - Seahawks - BostonCard - 12-30-2019

The lack of celebration have had something to do with the fact that a couple weeks ago, the Niners thought they had stopped Julio Jones short of the end zone only to see the call overturned on replay.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-have-no-argument-referees-call-final-play-wild-loss

BC

RE: Niners - Seahawks - Phogge - 12-30-2019

After looking at the NFL Net replay the Garland penalty call was correct.

lex24 - lex24 - 12-31-2019

An even bigger stop. Thanks for posting that Mick.

(12-30-2019, 09:26 PM)Mick Wrote: Today, the NFL released a statement regarding the pass interference penalty that wasn't called at the end of the game. In short, they said that:

(a) The WR initiated contact.
(b) The DB reacted to the initiated contact.
© Both contacts were incidental.

Ergo, PI was not called.

Dre Greenlaw made a game-saving (and likely season-saving) tackle at the end of the Seahawks game last night.

Apart from that, he seems like a very good fellow:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/san-francisco-49ers-draft-pick-saved-girl-at-a-party-her-dad-takes-to-twitter-to-thank-him-4-years-later_2899581.html

RE: Niners - Seahawks - teejers1 - 12-31-2019

(12-29-2019, 11:17 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I don’t know. If it was Stanford’s defense, I’d say sure, but the forty niner defense is such that the difference between having to go 73 yards for a touchdown and having to go 30 yards for a touchdown is significant. When Seattle started their drive, the Niners had a 77% chance of winning (per ESPN), that was down to a 58% probability of winning when Seattle had a first and ten at the SF 47. After picking up half the distance on a 24 yard pass, Seattle was actually favored to win. So, figure a first and ten at the thirty outs the odds at 50/50.

I think the math works out in favor of going for it for most fourth down conversion probabilities, but I’m not going to try and solve for the break even point. The NFL being what it is, though, I bet almost every coach punts in that situation.

BC

(12-29-2019, 11:03 PM)teejers1 Wrote:
(12-29-2019, 09:52 PM)murky Wrote: So the Niners survived their failure to secure the tie in their earlier meeting.

So true. That was my first thought upon hearing about the final score - the game should NOT have had this much on the line for SF (though perhaps Seattle doesn't lay an egg last week if they needed the W to keep this last game meaningful).

BTW, I disagree that we'll see a rematch. Seattle is vulnerable on the road. But then again, maybe the 'Niners won't hold up their end of the bargain. Really hope D. Ford is back for the playoffs.

The game still would have had a lot on the line. A 12-3-1 NFC West champion still has to play a wild card game, so they wouldn’t have benefited at all from the tie if they had lost today, except for being able to host the wild card. Winning today gave them home field advantage throughout the playoffs, and that was the case regardless of whether they lost or tied against Seattle the first time.

Now a win, in overtime, against Seattle last time would have let the Niners clinch home field last week, and allowed them to rest their starters.

So, even though it was not at all clear at the time, in retrospect, playing for the win wound up being the right call. At the time, though, the loss was more likely to hurt them than the tie was to help, and there was no way to anticipate that in advance, so at the time going for the tie was absolutely the right thing to do.

BC

Hosting (at least) one playoff game as division champ is far preferable to going on the road for the distance as a wild card team. Sure, the current situation is obviously the most, but there never should have been that much on the line in yesterday's game. Just my take.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - BostonCard - 12-31-2019

Home teams were 17-15 in the wild card round between 2004 and 2012. Sorry I don’t have anything more recent, but it’s based on this link. The bottom line is that home field advantage in the wild card round is worth very little, while a bye is worth a lot more.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1450427-how-much-does-homefield-advantage-really-matter-in-nfl-postseason

BC

RE: Niners - Seahawks - cardcrimson - 12-31-2019

(12-31-2019, 05:57 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Home teams were 17-15 in the wild card round between 2004 and 2012. Sorry I don’t have anything more recent, but it’s based on this link. The bottom line is that home field advantage in the wild card round is worth very little, while a bye is worth a lot more.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1450427-how-much-does-homefield-advantage-really-matter-in-nfl-postseason

BC

Not sure I'd draw that conclusion. Lots of crappy division winners facing off against very good wild card teams certainly have played a role in that stat. Home field certainly plays a role, but there are other factors involved as well.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - OutsiderFan - 12-31-2019

When I saw the replay of the possible PI call in end zone, my immediate thought was the TE initiated the contact and the LB was basically hand fighting with him.

This bring up a beef I have with PI. Receivers are generally allowed to initiate much more contact against defenders than defender are against receivers.

There was a play in Rams Niners game where a Rams WR basically jumped on top of a Niners CB. No PI call. There is no doubting that if the CB did what the WR did he would have been flagged for PI. The double standard is quite annoying.

RE: Niners - Seahawks - JustAnotherFan - 12-31-2019

(12-31-2019, 06:04 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:
(12-31-2019, 05:57 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Home teams were 17-15 in the wild card round between 2004 and 2012. Sorry I don’t have anything more recent, but it’s based on this link. The bottom line is that home field advantage in the wild card round is worth very little, while a bye is worth a lot more.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1450427-how-much-does-homefield-advantage-really-matter-in-nfl-postseason

BC

Not sure I'd draw that conclusion. Lots of crappy division winners facing off against very good wild card teams certainly have played a role in that stat. Home field certainly plays a role, but there are other factors involved as well.

Talk about amazing journalism, check out this enlightening gem: "While playing at home in the playoffs is an added benefit, it doesn't necessarily guarantee victory."

//sarcasm//