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Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - yvonne - 01-01-2017

So many teams play the spread. We'd have to compete for recruits against those teams. We'd also have to play against defenses that have been designed to stop it. Stanford's excelled by playing tough, run-first power offense. It may not be pretty, but it has worked.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - yvonne - 01-01-2017

I start a thread about one of the most successful coaches in Stanford history. Folks follow up by saying how much they'd rather have someone else. Go figure.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - JohnR34231 - 01-01-2017

(01-01-2017, 10:07 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:I start a thread about one of the most successful coaches in Stanford history. Folks follow up by saying how much they'd rather have someone else. Go figure.

Yvonne, nobody is saying that they don't want Shaw as the head coach. They are looking for ways that we might improve, especially offensively. If you saw the last three quarters of the Sun Bowl it's hard to argue with that.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - washingtonismoney - 01-01-2017

While I think Shaw could improve on offense, it's hard for me to imagine the Sun Bowl is really good evidence of that. The offense moved the ball pretty solid while the first-string QB was in and poorly while the backup was in. For most of the game the offense was playing with the backup QB, RB, and an offensive line we've known was porous all year. Not exactly compelling evidence that the Shaw regime is deficient on offense.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - Farm93 - 01-01-2017

FWIW - At Oregon I never really thought Kelly's offense was the real secret sauce.

What was amazing was the D.  They would often be on the field for 35-40 minutes a game.  The offense rarely was concerned about giving them any rest.  Yet, in their prime, the Oregon D would be decent.

Other teams have offenses now that can score a bunch too, but most of the teams lack anything like Oregon's defense.

Kelly's offense is not going to work for Stanford. I know a lot of people LOVE these bubble screens and no thought air raid offenses, but Stanford is doing well on the recruiting landscape because Stanford is NOT trying to do those things.

Those OL, TE, FBs and even QBs that Stanford has been getting are coming to Shaw because Stanford plays a system similar to what is utilized in the NFL.  For OL and TE Stanford is not just the best 40 year decision it is also the best 4-5 year decision too.  If Stanford implemented some raid-light style Stanford loses those top tier TE & OL to other schools and has to compete with so many other schools for a set of WRs so unlikely to get into Stanford.  The secret to the raid system is that the teams just react to what is given to them at the line.  Run the play, dump the ball, repeat.  It is not exactly leveraging the intelligence and attention to detail common to those likely to get into Stanford.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - GoodGrief - 01-02-2017

(01-01-2017, 10:32 PM)JPRI link Wrote:Yvonne, nobody is saying that they don't want Shaw as the head coach. They are looking for ways that we might improve, especially offensively. If you saw the last three quarters of the Sun Bowl it's hard to argue with that.

Oh yeah, what he said. I don't want Kelly instead of Shaw--I want him working for Shaw. And I don't want an air-raid hurry-up offense--I like our giant offensive linemen that could probably push over a whale if they tried hard enough. Admittedly, I'd like to see pictures of sandwiches flashed the sidelines. I like sandwiches.

But I do feel like Kelly knows offense and could do a lot for us there.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - JohnR34231 - 01-02-2017

(01-01-2017, 11:32 PM)Farm93 link Wrote:FWIW - At Oregon I never really thought Kelly's offense was the real secret sauce.

What was amazing was the D.  They would often be on the field for 35-40 minutes a game.  The offense rarely was concerned about giving them any rest.  Yet, in their prime, the Oregon D would be decent.

Other teams have offenses now that can score a bunch too, but most of the teams lack anything like Oregon's defense.

Kelly's offense is not going to work for Stanford. I know a lot of people LOVE these bubble screens and no thought air raid offenses, but Stanford is doing well on the recruiting landscape because Stanford is NOT trying to do those things.

Those OL, TE, FBs and even QBs that Stanford has been getting are coming to Shaw because Stanford plays a system similar to what is utilized in the NFL.  For OL and TE Stanford is not just the best 40 year decision it is also the best 4-5 year decision too.  If Stanford implemented some raid-light style Stanford loses those top tier TE & OL to other schools and has to compete with so many other schools for a set of WRs so unlikely to get into Stanford.  The secret to the raid system is that the teams just react to what is given to them at the line.  Run the play, dump the ball, repeat.  It is not exactly leveraging the intelligence and attention to detail common to those likely to get into Stanford.

Nobody is suggesting that we install Kelly's air raid offense (or whatever you want to call it). What they are saying is he is an outstanding offensive mind who could help us improve what we are doing now.

As far as the Duck defense is concerned, I always though of them as a "tough when they had to be" outfit. They would give up a lot of yards and points, but when the game was on the line they would do their part. Happened to us in 2010, 2011, and 2015.



Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - ChicagoCard - 01-02-2017

I imagine Kelly will want another opportunity to be a head coach, somewhere. The potential timing is interesting because it's a bit late in the game for head coaching positions in college. I also think the likelihood of him being an actual coach at Stanford is nill. It would only be as a consultant and only for one year. In the unlikely event that this does happen, I think any influence he might have would be pretty much undetectable to most casual viewers.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - JohnR34231 - 01-02-2017

(01-02-2017, 05:50 AM)ChicagoVisitor link Wrote:I imagine Kelly will want another opportunity to be a head coach, somewhere. The potential timing is interesting because it's a bit late in the game for head coaching positions in college. I also think the likelihood of him being an actual coach at Stanford is nill. It would only be as a consultant and only for one year. In the unlikely event that this does happen, I think any influence he might have would be pretty much undetectable to most casual viewers.

Totally agree. Unlike at least some Stanford fans, Shaw does not believe the offensive machine is broken. So what Kelly would add is not a complete overhaul, but a few tweaks here and there that wouldn't be obvious.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - FarmBoy - 01-02-2017

Most frightening scenario is cal taking steps to secure CK services as HC.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - OutsiderFan - 01-02-2017

(01-02-2017, 06:49 AM)FarmBoy link Wrote:Most frightening scenario is ןɐɔ taking steps to secure CK services as HC.

Cal is the college equivalent of the Niners.  There is not enough money in the world for Kelly to take on that debacle because he's already owed $15 million.  He doesn't have to work another day in his life at this point unless he really wants to have a job, and there are many other much more appealing options.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - FarmBoy - 01-02-2017

Good point. Thanks for the comforting thoughts, OF.



Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - Farm93 - 01-02-2017

(01-02-2017, 07:00 AM)OutsiderFan link Wrote:[quote author=FarmBoy link=topic=16362.msg184776#msg184776 date=1483364971]
Most frightening scenario is ןɐɔ taking steps to secure CK services as HC.

ןɐɔ is the college equivalent of the Niners.  There is not enough money in the world for Kelly to take on that debacle because he's already owed $15 million.  He doesn't have to work another day in his life at this point unless he really wants to have a job, and there are many other much more appealing options.
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UCB couldn't afford him anyway.  No reason to believe he would need to take anything less than $4 million per year in a return to college.  Lots of great college coaches have philosophies that don't translate into the NFL, but can return to college and revive their winning ways.  I expect Kelly to stay out a cycle and then jump into the next Big12 opening.

They pay the salaries and have fans open to raid philosophies.  Kelly seems very good at stopping other raid offenses, and the awful D that the is common in the Big12 would allow his offense to score at will. 

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - washingtonismoney - 01-02-2017

Self-serving, but allegedly Chip Kelly wanted the Niners to draft Prescott: https://twitter.com/DavidChappine/status/815954409263955968

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - OutsiderFan - 01-02-2017

Well, if there is anything Chip Kelly knows, it's QBs.  So I would not doubt he wanted Prescott.  But I'm sure time will tell the CB with the torn ACL from Mississippi State was the better pick than the fully healthy QB from Mississippi State.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - stupac2 - 01-02-2017

Since this thread is fully off-topic, can someone explain to me what in the world happened to Baalke? He didn't become GM until Harbaugh's first year, but he was clearly quite involved with personnel before that. How did that roster go from one of the most talented in the NFL to such a dumpster fire in such a short time period? I know the unexpected retirements hurt, but you'd think you could replace those guys with players who are at least competent...

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - washingtonismoney - 01-02-2017

(01-02-2017, 10:31 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:Since this thread is fully off-topic, can someone explain to me what in the world happened to Baalke? He didn't become GM until Harbaugh's first year, but he was clearly quite involved with personnel before that. How did that roster go from one of the most talented in the NFL to such a dumpster fire in such a short time period? I know the unexpected retirements hurt, but you'd think you could replace those guys with players who are at least competent...

I think Scot McCloughan was the true mastermind in the Niners' personnel department at the time. He's currently doing a good job with the DC football team.

Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - Mick - 01-02-2017

(01-01-2017, 10:07 PM)Yvonne link Wrote:I start a thread about one of the most successful coaches in Stanford history. Folks follow up by saying how much they'd rather have someone else. Go figure.


Already stipulated to the fact that he's arguably the most successful coach in Stanford history.  Will you acknowledge the fact that Stanford finished #103 in total offense last year?  Here's the reference point for quick lookup, but you'll have to go to the third screen, because the first two screens are reserved for the top 50, and then the next 50 offenses.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/21




Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - Mick - 01-02-2017

(01-02-2017, 10:02 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:Self-serving, but allegedly Chip Kelly wanted the Niners to draft Prescott: https://twitter.com/DavidChappine/status/815954409263955968


Along those lines, Baalke really wanted Adam Gase as his head coach.  Supposedly Jed wouldn't pull the trigger.  KNBR theorized that Baalke didn't change his mind, it was Jed.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/adam-gase-reportedly-had-49ers-job-before-gm-trent-baalke-changed-mind/



Re: Shaw in the Pantheon - stupac2 - 01-02-2017

(01-02-2017, 11:12 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=16362.msg184793#msg184793 date=1483378273]
Since this thread is fully off-topic, can someone explain to me what in the world happened to Baalke? He didn't become GM until Harbaugh's first year, but he was clearly quite involved with personnel before that. How did that roster go from one of the most talented in the NFL to such a dumpster fire in such a short time period? I know the unexpected retirements hurt, but you'd think you could replace those guys with players who are at least competent...

I think Scot McCloughan was the true mastermind in the Niners' personnel department at the time. He's currently doing a good job with the DC football team.
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That would explain a lot.