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RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 01-11-2024
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1705018736' Wrote: 1705018736[/url]']
Giants have avoided arbitration with Yastrzemski ($7.9 million), Estrada ($4.7 mms.), Stanford's very own Austin Slater ($4 mms.), Wade ($3.5 mms.), and Rogers ($3.2 mms.). The only arbitration-eligible player who didn't get a deal signed by today's 1 p.m. deadline was JD Davis, so his side and the Giants will need to exchange arbitration numbers soon. Davis is an interesting one. He projects out at $6.8 million, but his OPS dropped 150 points in the second half. And he did improve at 3B. Still...the Giants have high hopes for Casey Schmitt. Can Matt Williams turn around Casey, like he himself turned around nearly 40 years ago? It took Williams three years before he figured it out...what will it take Casey?
The pre-arbitration players under club control will sign for the major league minimum.
Current total payroll is $135 mms., projected total player payroll with pre-arb players signed is $149,733,300, per spotrac. Projected total tax allocations, including benefits and minor salaries puts total projected tax allocations at $184,525,000 against a tax threshold of $237 mms., giving the Giants approximately $52.5 mms. before they exceed the luxury cap.
Stick a crowbar in that wallet, Farhan. Let's get a few players...
…but don’t spend money for the sake of spending money. That happened last year and it resulted in a disastrous free agent haul.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 01-11-2024
(01-11-2024, 07:18 PM)Giants Wrote:Mick dateline='[url=tel:1705018736' Wrote: 1705018736[/url]']
Giants have avoided arbitration with Yastrzemski ($7.9 million), Estrada ($4.7 mms.), Stanford's very own Austin Slater ($4 mms.), Wade ($3.5 mms.), and Rogers ($3.2 mms.). The only arbitration-eligible player who didn't get a deal signed by today's 1 p.m. deadline was JD Davis, so his side and the Giants will need to exchange arbitration numbers soon. Davis is an interesting one. He projects out at $6.8 million, but his OPS dropped 150 points in the second half. And he did improve at 3B. Still...the Giants have high hopes for Casey Schmitt. Can Matt Williams turn around Casey, like he himself turned around nearly 40 years ago? It took Williams three years before he figured it out...what will it take Casey?
The pre-arbitration players under club control will sign for the major league minimum.
Current total payroll is $135 mms., projected total player payroll with pre-arb players signed is $149,733,300, per spotrac. Projected total tax allocations, including benefits and minor salaries puts total projected tax allocations at $184,525,000 against a tax threshold of $237 mms., giving the Giants approximately $52.5 mms. before they exceed the luxury cap.
Stick a crowbar in that wallet, Farhan. Let's get a few players...
…but don’t spend money for the sake of spending money. That happened last year and it resulted in a disastrous free agent haul.
And I think Stroman for two years/$37 million fits nicely into the spending-money-for-the-sake-of-making-money category. And if he pitches 140 innings in 2025, he gets a player option for $18 million in 2026, making it three years, $55 million. He pitched 138 2/3 two years ago and 136 2/3 last year. 25 starts each year.
Blake Snell turned down 5 years, $150 million with the Yankees. Mr. Snell has pitched more than 130 innings twice in the last eight years.
https://clutchpoints.com/mlb-rumors-why-blake-snell-turned-down-yankees-150-million-offer
RE: SF Giants 2024 - skip75 - 01-12-2024
Per KNBR, Giants sign hard-throwing Jordan Hicks - 4 years, $44 million. Seems like an ideal Farhan guy - reliver, starter, closer, opener??? Will not open the season on the IL, but did have Tommy John surgery in 2019.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 01-12-2024
skip75 dateline='[url=tel:1705082867' Wrote: 1705082867[/url]']
Per KNBR, Giants sign hard-throwing Jordan Hicks - 4 years, $44 million. Seems like an ideal Farhan guy - reliver, starter, closer, opener??? Will not open the season on the IL, but did have Tommy John surgery in 2019.
He will be a starter to begin the season. After a stint or two on the IL, he will move to the bullpen. Welcome Mr. Hicks to baseball’s infirmary…….
triangle2 - triangle2 - 01-12-2024
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RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 01-12-2024
I'm a brobdingnagian critic of Farhan, but I REALLY like this choice. It's a great idea...excellent arm, throws lots of ground balls, Giants have experience with openers, they have good backup arms if he gets into trouble. He was a starter for two years in the low minors and crushed it (of course). Significant upside, minimal downside. In spacious Oracle, I think he will do great and better than Snell, Yamamoto, Imanaga and Stroman by the end of the season. And it leaves the Giants with enough money to sign Soler and/or Bellinger. Great, great signing. I think this might save Farhan's reputation. He's already saved his job with that extension.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 01-12-2024
Mick dateline='[url=tel:1705091679' Wrote: 1705091679[/url]']
I'm a of immense proportions critic of Farhan, but I REALLY like this choice. It's a great idea...excellent arm, throws lots of ground balls, Giants have experience with openers, they have good backup arms if he gets into trouble. He was a starter for two years in the low minors and crushed it (of course). Significant upside, minimal downside. In spacious Oracle, I think he will do great and better than Snell, Yamamoto, Imanaga and Stroman by the end of the season. And it leaves the Giants with enough money to sign Soler and/or Bellinger. Great, great signing. I think this might save Farhan's reputation. He's already saved his job with that extension.
Wish I could share your enthusiasm. I don’t. Typical bargain basement FA.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - old spanish trail - 01-12-2024
I'm more enthusiastic. He does indeed have a +arm. If a mistake, not costly. Who else is left that is a better bet than this guy? You didn't like Stroman.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - BobK - 01-13-2024
I agree with old Spanish Trail. A very good signing. Young throws hard in a pitchers ball park.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 01-13-2024
old spanish trail dateline='[url=tel:1705128715' Wrote: 1705128715[/url]']
I'm more enthusiastic. He does indeed have a +arm. If a mistake, not costly. Who else is left that is a better bet than this guy? You didn't like Stroman.
Montgomery. But I don’t think they can sign him. Snell who I’m confident they won’t sign - which if the contract projections are true- I heartily agree they should not sign.
I didn’t say it was a bad signing. Just think it’s highly unlikely Hicks outperforms Snell, Imanaga, Yamamoto and Stroman. Nothing in his past remotely suggests that level of pitcher. It’s a typical Giants low end deal.
He throws hard, no doubt. He’s also has had injury issues and relatively little success at MLB level. I have a hard time thinking of many pitchers converted from reliever to starter while in MLB. I know he has started a few games. But that didn’t work well. My guess is he ends up in bullpen.
As of today, the “rotation” is something like this:
Webb
Stripling
Harrison
Winn
Hicks
One stud, one 5/6 36 year old coming off a bad year. Two rookies and a converted reliever. Good luck with that.
I still think Giants need to add a real SP.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 01-13-2024
Here's a trivia question: AL Champion Texas Rangers, NL Champion Arizona Diamondbacks, San Francisco Giants. Which of the three teams had the best ERA? The best ERA+? The best FIP?
Why your San Francisco Giants, of course. In all three cases. In fact, their FIP was fourth best in MLB, which means if they had any kind of fielding at all, they would've been a much more dangerous team. So it's not like they suck on the pitching end, they're pretty darned good. It's the fielding and the hitting that needs fixing.
That said, I agree with you. They need another starting pitcher.
I really, really like 4/5ths of this rotation. Love Webb, of course. brobdingnagian fan of Harrison and Winn. And for me, worst case, Hicks will do great until he flames out midseason because of the strain on his arm. I don't buy that he never accomplished anything, he had a 132 ERA+ last year, and if he'd pitched enough innings, his ERA would be in the top 10 in MLB. As for HRs, his WORST season would have been better than anyone on the Giants staff last year. He's a groundball pitcher with a filthy sinker. Worst case, he goes back to the bullpen and continues to destroy. But he was a starter in HS and low minors and wants to continue. At Oracle, I think he'll do really, really well.
Which brings ups to Stripling. 0-5 last year in 11 starts, 5.36 ERA, first guy to whine about Kapler when Stripling was a lousy pitcher. He was an All-Star in 2018 for the Dodgers when he went 8-6. He went 10-4 for Toronto in 2022, which is why we overpaid for him. He's going to be 34. I didn't like the deal back then, I don't like it now. He's the weak link, like Snell (who turned down 5 years/$150 mms. from the Yankees, no idea why) and he'll turn his one good year into his last big contract.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - old spanish trail - 01-13-2024
If Stripling looks to repeat last year's performance, I hope Beck is given the next chance. He totally out pitched Stripling last year. G's have to give Stripling a chance to justify his ridiculous K when season begins.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 01-13-2024
(01-13-2024, 02:30 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: If Stripling looks to repeat last year's performance, I hope Beck is given the next chance. He totally out pitched Stripling last year. G's have to give Stripling a chance to justify his ridiculous K when season begins.
Same here. ERA-wise and WHIP-wise, Beck outpitched Brebbia, Harrison, Wood, Manaea, Alexander, Winn, DeSclafani, Stripling, Hjelle and Waites and was a rounding error away from Cobb, Junis and Taylor Rogers. Lots to like about Beck, but he does better as a reliever than as a starter, at least to date.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Giants - 01-17-2024
How did we miss the big trade with the Mets yesterday?
Cooper Hummel to SF
Cash considerations to NY
Hummel is a catcher (with some experience playing LF). He has 227 ABs at the major league level with a .166 batting average and 32.2% strikeout percentage.
Another Zaidi special!
RE: SF Giants 2024 - old spanish trail - 01-18-2024
(01-17-2024, 08:36 PM)Giants Wrote: How did we miss the big trade with the Mets yesterday?
Cooper Hummel to SF
Cash considerations to NY
Hummel is a catcher (with some experience playing LF). He has 227 ABs at the major league level with a .166 batting average and 32.2% strikeout percentage.
Another Zaidi special!
We paid money? Well, he did hit .166. Now, I get it.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 01-18-2024
What I like about the Jordan Hicks deal:
1) He can throw 105 and is throwing more four seam fastballs.
2) He really, really, really wants to start.
3) His two key pitches are a sinker and a slider, both around 99 mph.
4) He has added a curve, which he only throws 6% of the time, and late last season added a sweeper. After adding the curve and the sweeper, his ERA dropped from 3.93 to 2.48.
5) He's only 27.
6) He was fully healthy all of last year.
7) The MLB reliever-to-starter transition is not all that rare and includes pitchers like Seth Lugo, Michael Lorenzen, Zack Wheeler, Jeffrey Springs, Derek Lowe, Chris Sale, Jeff Samardzija, Johan Santana, Adam Wainwright and C.J. Wilson.
I'm very optimistic about it. Couple that with the fact that Webb, Beck and Harrison are considered to be in the Top 30 in MLB rankings, and they'll have Cobb in June and Ray in July, plus potential from Whisenhunt and Winn...the Giants should have pitching if nothing else. Oh yeah, and Ross Stripling...
https://www.mlb.com/giants/news/jordan-hicks-giants-deal-questions-and-answers
https://www.mlb.com/news/jordan-hicks-is-a-unique-free-agent-reliever
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 01-19-2024
(01-18-2024, 09:03 AM)Mick Wrote: What I like about the Jordan Hicks deal:
1) He can throw 105 and is throwing more four seam fastballs.
2) He really, really, really wants to start.
3) His two key pitches are a sinker and a slider, both around 99 mph.
4) He has added a curve, which he only throws 6% of the time, and late last season added a sweeper. After adding the curve and the sweeper, his ERA dropped from 3.93 to 2.48.
5) He's only 27.
6) He was fully healthy all of last year.
7) The MLB reliever-to-starter transition is not all that rare and includes pitchers like Seth Lugo, Michael Lorenzen, Zack Wheeler, Jeffrey Springs, Derek Lowe, Chris Sale, Jeff Samardzija, Johan Santana, Adam Wainwright and C.J. Wilson.
I'm very optimistic about it. Couple that with the fact that Webb, Beck and Harrison are considered to be in the Top 30 in MLB rankings, and they'll have Cobb in June and Ray in July, plus potential from Whisenhunt and Winn...the Giants should have pitching if nothing else. Oh yeah, and Ross Stripling...
https://www.mlb.com/giants/news/jordan-hicks-giants-deal-questions-and-answers
https://www.mlb.com/news/jordan-hicks-is-a-unique-free-agent-reliever
I think you need to rethink No.7. It is rare. And several you listed - Wheeler, Sale Wainwright for example were not relievers turned into starters after several MLB years, They may have done some bullpen work - Wainwright certainly did his rookie year. But they were ticketed as starters.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 01-19-2024
(01-19-2024, 08:56 AM)lex24 Wrote:(01-18-2024, 09:03 AM)Mick Wrote: What I like about the Jordan Hicks deal:
1) He can throw 105 and is throwing more four seam fastballs.
2) He really, really, really wants to start.
3) His two key pitches are a sinker and a slider, both around 99 mph.
4) He has added a curve, which he only throws 6% of the time, and late last season added a sweeper. After adding the curve and the sweeper, his ERA dropped from 3.93 to 2.48.
5) He's only 27.
6) He was fully healthy all of last year.
7) The MLB reliever-to-starter transition is not all that rare and includes pitchers like Seth Lugo, Michael Lorenzen, Zack Wheeler, Jeffrey Springs, Derek Lowe, Chris Sale, Jeff Samardzija, Johan Santana, Adam Wainwright and C.J. Wilson.
I'm very optimistic about it. Couple that with the fact that Webb, Beck and Harrison are considered to be in the Top 30 in MLB rankings, and they'll have Cobb in June and Ray in July, plus potential from Whisenhunt and Winn...the Giants should have pitching if nothing else. Oh yeah, and Ross Stripling...
https://www.mlb.com/giants/news/jordan-hicks-giants-deal-questions-and-answers
https://www.mlb.com/news/jordan-hicks-is-a-unique-free-agent-reliever
I think you need to rethink No.7. It is rare. And several you listed - Wheeler, Sale Wainwright for example were not relievers turned into starters after several MLB years, They may have done some bullpen work - Wainwright certainly did his rookie year. But they were ticketed as starters.
I feel a wager coming on centered on whether or not he becomes a reasonably effective starter? I'll take 15 or more starts, you take...10 or fewer? Middle ground, no harm no foul?
RE: SF Giants 2024 - lex24 - 01-19-2024
(01-19-2024, 12:58 PM)Mick Wrote:(01-19-2024, 08:56 AM)lex24 Wrote:(01-18-2024, 09:03 AM)Mick Wrote: What I like about the Jordan Hicks deal:
1) He can throw 105 and is throwing more four seam fastballs.
2) He really, really, really wants to start.
3) His two key pitches are a sinker and a slider, both around 99 mph.
4) He has added a curve, which he only throws 6% of the time, and late last season added a sweeper. After adding the curve and the sweeper, his ERA dropped from 3.93 to 2.48.
5) He's only 27.
6) He was fully healthy all of last year.
7) The MLB reliever-to-starter transition is not all that rare and includes pitchers like Seth Lugo, Michael Lorenzen, Zack Wheeler, Jeffrey Springs, Derek Lowe, Chris Sale, Jeff Samardzija, Johan Santana, Adam Wainwright and C.J. Wilson.
I'm very optimistic about it. Couple that with the fact that Webb, Beck and Harrison are considered to be in the Top 30 in MLB rankings, and they'll have Cobb in June and Ray in July, plus potential from Whisenhunt and Winn...the Giants should have pitching if nothing else. Oh yeah, and Ross Stripling...
https://www.mlb.com/giants/news/jordan-hicks-giants-deal-questions-and-answers
https://www.mlb.com/news/jordan-hicks-is-a-unique-free-agent-reliever
I think you need to rethink No.7. It is rare. And several you listed - Wheeler, Sale Wainwright for example were not relievers turned into starters after several MLB years, They may have done some bullpen work - Wainwright certainly did his rookie year. But they were ticketed as starters.
I feel a wager coming on centered on whether or not he becomes a reasonably effective starter? I'll take 15 or more starts, you take...10 or fewer? Middle ground, no harm no foul?
We may have different definitions of “reasonably effective “! :)
How bout this 15 or more Starts and 85 or more innings as a starter you win
10 or less starts and 60 or less innings as a starter I win.
Innings pitched in relief do not count. Must win both. In middle we go Dutch! Bet is lunch in SJ.
RE: SF Giants 2024 - Mick - 01-19-2024
(01-19-2024, 01:14 PM)lex24 Wrote:(01-19-2024, 12:58 PM)Mick Wrote:(01-19-2024, 08:56 AM)lex24 Wrote:(01-18-2024, 09:03 AM)Mick Wrote: What I like about the Jordan Hicks deal:
1) He can throw 105 and is throwing more four seam fastballs.
2) He really, really, really wants to start.
3) His two key pitches are a sinker and a slider, both around 99 mph.
4) He has added a curve, which he only throws 6% of the time, and late last season added a sweeper. After adding the curve and the sweeper, his ERA dropped from 3.93 to 2.48.
5) He's only 27.
6) He was fully healthy all of last year.
7) The MLB reliever-to-starter transition is not all that rare and includes pitchers like Seth Lugo, Michael Lorenzen, Zack Wheeler, Jeffrey Springs, Derek Lowe, Chris Sale, Jeff Samardzija, Johan Santana, Adam Wainwright and C.J. Wilson.
I'm very optimistic about it. Couple that with the fact that Webb, Beck and Harrison are considered to be in the Top 30 in MLB rankings, and they'll have Cobb in June and Ray in July, plus potential from Whisenhunt and Winn...the Giants should have pitching if nothing else. Oh yeah, and Ross Stripling...
https://www.mlb.com/giants/news/jordan-hicks-giants-deal-questions-and-answers
https://www.mlb.com/news/jordan-hicks-is-a-unique-free-agent-reliever
I think you need to rethink No.7. It is rare. And several you listed - Wheeler, Sale Wainwright for example were not relievers turned into starters after several MLB years, They may have done some bullpen work - Wainwright certainly did his rookie year. But they were ticketed as starters.
I feel a wager coming on centered on whether or not he becomes a reasonably effective starter? I'll take 15 or more starts, you take...10 or fewer? Middle ground, no harm no foul?
We may have different definitions of “reasonably effective “! :)
How bout this 15 or more Starts and 85 or more innings as a starter you win
10 or less starts and 60 or less innings as a starter I win.
Innings pitched in relief do not count. Must win both. In middle we go Dutch! Bet is lunch in SJ.
Sounds great! Your terms are acceptable and I look forward to lunch in SJ.
85 innings might be a bit of a tall order...he hasn't pitched over 85 innings since high A ball, but he did go 8-3 as a starter that year in 19 starts. And he has electric stuff, and I'm curious to see how his four-pitch mix (five if you count four-seam and two-seam fastballs as two different pitches) works as a starter. Hopefully, at 27 and past one surgery he has the stamina.