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RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Phogge - 11-04-2019

WTF? If he can’t hold bench him.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - BostonCard - 11-04-2019

A quick reminder that getting the laces facing out is not just on the holder; if done properly, the snapper can make it so that the laces are facing down when the football arrives at the holder, which makes the holder's job much easier.

BC

RE: Stanford/Arizona Frosh Force - Langdude - 11-04-2019

(11-02-2019, 02:48 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  Re: Herron, keep in mind we're down 3 OLBs right now (Jordan Fox and Tobe Umerah injured [I saw Umerah in a boot at the game], Andres Fox redshirting). My guess is staff still wants to redshirt Herron and is relying on at least 1 of the 2 injured guys coming back within the next couple games. Worst case, Andres can play in 4 games and still preserve his shirt, so assuming we make a bowl we can play Herron next game, play Andres in the last 3, then have both available for the bowl.

Good insight regarding Herron's redshirt. I think they need to try to preserve what they can or it is going to throw the pipeline numbers all out of whack. If Hornibrook and Manley keep playing, which seems likely, that will be 12 burnt shirts, half the class.

However, Andres Fox will only be able to play one more game and redshirt; he's already played in three games. I'll bet they save Andres for the last game if needed for bowl eligibility, or the bowl game if not.

-m.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Mick - 11-04-2019

(11-04-2019, 11:03 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  A quick reminder that getting the laces facing out is not just on the holder; if done properly, the snapper can make it so that the laces are facing down when the football arrives at the holder, which makes the holder's job much easier.

BC

I seem to recall that, in part, was the Niners' issue and contributed to Robbie Gould's uncharacteristic kicking miseries in the first six games of this season.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - CornFed - 11-04-2019

(11-04-2019, 11:03 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  A quick reminder that getting the laces facing out is not just on the holder; if done properly, the snapper can make it so that the laces are facing down when the football arrives at the holder, which makes the holder's job much easier.

BC
Are you certain that the snapper is charged w/ getting the laces properly positioned?  I think that sound pretty preposterous.  Every video I have ever seen of that action shows the holder placing the ball down and simultaneously rotating the ball until the laces point toward the target.  It is usually a smooth action and happens almost every kick.  The fact that our holder seems unable to do this has perhaps put the pressure on the center.  It certainly seems that it is easier for the holder.


https://www.longsnapper.com/laces-out/


OK. I googled. Obviously, if it is googleable it must be a thing. But even so, if the snapper misses the placement of the laces, the holder MUST make the adjustment. It should happen only very rarely that the laces are not moved out of the way.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Goose - 11-04-2019

(11-04-2019, 11:03 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  A quick reminder that getting the laces facing out is not just on the holder; if done properly, the snapper can make it so that the laces are facing down when the football arrives at the holder, which makes the holder's job much easier.

BC

From what little I can derive from watching replays on TV, it seems that the holder is not attempting to rotate the ball to "fix" the issue. It may be that he is coached to assume the ball arrives with the laces down, and he just places it. I can see reasons for this, in that the extra time required to adjust the ball, small though it may be, increases the probability of a block, makes the timing of the kick more variable, and may lead to a fumble if not done right. So it may not be on the holder. It may be that if the ball doesn't arrive in correct orientation, the plan is to play it as it lies. Perhaps the kicker prefers predictable timing to known lace position. They don't appear to be trying to "fix" this, so the coaches must be OK with it.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - BostonCard - 11-04-2019

This is from a 16-year NFL veteran long snapper.

https://www.longsnapper.com/laces-out/

Quote:Many people have asked, “Is it possible to snap a ball and consistently get the laces facing forward?” The simple answer is yes. As an NFL snapper you are asked to be precise not only with your placement of the ball on field goal snaps but you are asked to have the laces facing forward when the holder catches the ball.

Basically, it is all about getting a consistent number of rotations on the ball (I've read 3 1/2 full rotations elsewhere).  The author also makes a good point of what the best way to "miss" is...

Quote:But if you do “miss” it is best if the laces are facing the holder so he can see the laces when he catches the ball and can spin the ball into proper position.

And with regards to another poster's question...

Quote:If the snap is off and the laces are facing backward or to the side the holder must try to get the laces facing forward while still getting the correct lean on the ball. Normally a holder will put the ball down on the spot then try to spin the ball to get the laces facing forward. When a kicker sees the laces as he starts into his kick he can have an “Oh Sh–t” moment and panic a little. No kicker likes to kick the laces. A kicker also does not like to start into his kick and see the ball being turned to the forward position. I call that DJing the ball, like a DJ on the turntable. It can also be a judgement call of the holder whether to spin the ball or not. I have had snaps and the laces were off and the holder did not DJ the ball because they thought that would be too much of a distraction.

BC

RE: Stanford/Arizona Frosh Force - SamuelMcF - 11-04-2019

(11-04-2019, 11:21 AM)Langdude Wrote:  
(11-02-2019, 02:48 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  Re: Herron, keep in mind we're down 3 OLBs right now (Jordan Fox and Tobe Umerah injured [I saw Umerah in a boot at the game], Andres Fox redshirting). My guess is staff still wants to redshirt Herron and is relying on at least 1 of the 2 injured guys coming back within the next couple games. Worst case, Andres can play in 4 games and still preserve his shirt, so assuming we make a bowl we can play Herron next game, play Andres in the last 3, then have both available for the bowl.

Good insight regarding Herron's redshirt. I think they need to try to preserve what they can or it is going to throw the pipeline numbers all out of whack. If Hornibrook and Manley keep playing, which seems likely, that will be 12 burnt shirts, half the class.

However, Andres Fox will only be able to play one more game and redshirt; he's already played in three games. I'll bet they save Andres for the last game if needed for bowl eligibility, or the bowl game if not.

-m.

I believe the participation report is wrong, and whoever made it thought #6 (IBS on special teams) was Fox; they share a number. If Fox had actually played, he would have stats. Playing him in the first 3 games, when our OLBs were all healthy, would make absolutely no sense if staff was redshirting him to learn a new position. At the very least I watched the entire NW game and he 100% did not play - it was Toohill, J. Fox and Reid the whole game, with walk-on Caleb Phillips coming in for goal line D.

I actually believe "throwing the pipeline out of whack" isn't that bad considering the positions where most shirts are being burnt; we need to recruit more players per class anyways. The OL and DB pipelines can (and must!) support burnt shirts, considering we're planning to take 5 and 4 respectively next class, and will still likely have 2 OL (Nugent and Bragg unfortunately due to injury) and 2 DBs (Turner-Muhammad and Toomer) redshirting. Those need to be large rooms anyways since there are 5 on the field every down (we're in nickel a vast majority of the time). RB is a bit more tenuous for now, but if staff lands 2 and/or convinces one of the 2 seniors to return for a fifth year, we'll be ok.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Mick - 11-06-2019

(11-04-2019, 11:32 AM)CornFed Wrote:  
(11-04-2019, 11:03 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  A quick reminder that getting the laces facing out is not just on the holder; if done properly, the snapper can make it so that the laces are facing down when the football arrives at the holder, which makes the holder's job much easier.

BC
Are you certain that the snapper is charged w/ getting the laces properly positioned?  I think that sound pretty preposterous.  Every video I have ever seen of that action shows the holder placing the ball down and simultaneously rotating the ball until the laces point toward the target.  It is usually a smooth action and happens almost every kick.  The fact that our holder seems unable to do this has perhaps put the pressure on the center.  It certainly seems that it is easier for the holder.


https://www.longsnapper.com/laces-out/


OK. I googled.  Obviously, if it is googleable it must be a thing.  But even so, if the snapper misses the placement of the laces, the holder MUST make the adjustment.  It should happen only very rarely that the laces are not moved out of the way.

Robbie Gould was an NFL-record kicker through 2018, with a career average of almost 90%.  His average this year, with a new holder?  63%.  He got back his long snapper two games ago and is 1 for 1 since.  The narrative was that the former snappers couldn't put the ball where they needed to put it and were inconsistent.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Goose - 11-06-2019

(11-04-2019, 11:32 AM)CornFed Wrote:  OK. I googled.  Obviously, if it is googleable it must be a thing.  But even so, if the snapper misses the placement of the laces, the holder MUST make the adjustment.  It should happen only very rarely that the laces are not moved out of the way.


Possibly this is a per-team decision. Some teams/kickers may prefer that the holder maintain constant timing and just put the ball down. Rotating the ball while placing it introduces the non-zero chance of dropping it or slowing down the placement. Maybe some teams just decide not to do it, as the lesser of two evils.

Stanford/Colorado M*A*S*H Unit - Langdude - 11-15-2019

Sorry these reports are so late this week, friends. Was a busy week at work.

M*A*S*H Unit. The following players did not appear against the Buffaloes due to injury. Other notes...

RE: Stanford/Colorado M*A*S*H Unit - SamuelMcF - 11-15-2019

(11-15-2019, 12:36 PM)Langdude Wrote:  
  • If this list is correct, that's 126 player-games missed due to injury, an average of 14 per game.
  • I think I got all injuries. Any corrections are, as always, welcome.
  • Any injuries from the game?

Robinson didn't play vs Colorado but should be back for tomorrow. Not that he'd play much anyways, but I heard Peek has been wearing a sling on his arm - can't confirm that though.

KJ, Adebo, Antoine, and Fisk were all hurt in the game.

Stanford/Colorado Bench Bunch - Langdude - 11-15-2019

Bench Bunch. The following non-injured non-frosh scholarship players did not appear against the Buffaloes.
(11-15-2019, 12:46 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(11-15-2019, 12:36 PM)Langdude Wrote:  
  • If this list is correct, that's 126 player-games missed due to injury, an average of 14 per game.
  • I think I got all injuries. Any corrections are, as always, welcome.
  • Any injuries from the game?

Robinson didn't play vs Colorado but should be back for tomorrow. Not that he'd play much anyways, but I heard Peek has been wearing a sling on his arm - can't confirm that though.

KJ, Adebo, Antoine, and Fisk were all hurt in the game.

Thanks for this, SMF. I knew about KJ, Adebo, and Fisk, did not know about Antoine.

Robinson is listed on the participation report. Are you sure he did not play? Man, these reports sure are unreliable. They need to employ you to do them!

-m.

RE: Stanford/Colorado Bench Bunch - SamuelMcF - 11-15-2019

(11-15-2019, 12:49 PM)Langdude Wrote:  Thanks for this, SMF. I knew about KJ, Adebo, and Fisk, did not know about Antoine.

Robinson is listed on the participation report. Are you sure he did not play? Man, these reports sure are unreliable. They need to employ you to do them!

-m.

If Robinson had played, he would've started. Beecher and Pryts started. Yeah, I have no idea what's up with these reports. Every week there's something off!

RE: Stanford/Colorado Bench Bunch - Langdude - 11-16-2019

(11-15-2019, 01:51 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(11-15-2019, 12:49 PM)Langdude Wrote:  Thanks for this, SMF. I knew about KJ, Adebo, and Fisk, did not know about Antoine.

Robinson is listed on the participation report. Are you sure he did not play? Man, these reports sure are unreliable. They need to employ you to do them!

-m.

If Robinson had played, he would've started. Beecher and Pryts started. Yeah, I have no idea what's up with these reports. Every week there's something off!

OK; all corrections made above.

-m.
Frosh Force. Fifteen(!) true freshmen played against the Buffaloes. Eleven of them have had their redshirts burned; Zahran Manley officially used a year of eligibility with his fifth appearance of the season. Next up: Jake Hornibrook. There were also two debuts!

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Spiny_Norman - 11-19-2019

In Mark Soltau's Sunday column, he noted that Stanford used 9 true frosh on kickoff coverage vs. WSU. Perhaps a reason that WSU was able to get an 86 yard return to kill Stanford's momentum after they pulled within 3.

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Langdude - 11-20-2019

Hi friends. Here's two games' worth of Walk-On Union Watch.

Walk-On Union Watch. Six non-scholarship players got PT against the Buffaloes. In addition...
Walk-On Union Watch. Seven non-scholarship players got PT against the Cougs. In addition...

RE: 2019 Stanford Football Personnel - Phogge - 11-20-2019

Kick played some offensive snaps. He was called on the radio for making great penetration on a play and then..... missing the tackle.

rich_matta2@yahoo.com - CardinalSagehen - 11-20-2019

(11-19-2019, 02:09 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  In Mark Soltau's Sunday column, he noted that Stanford used 9 true frosh on kickoff coverage vs. WSU. Perhaps a reason that WSU was able to get an 86 yard return to kill Stanford's momentum after they pulled within 3.

Probably true, but it also didn't help that Sanborn's kicks weren't going through the end zone like they had been doing in recent games.  It was probably due to his injury that he couldn't make nearly every kickoff un-returnable. They said he was questionable right up until game day.

RE: rich_matta2@yahoo.com - SamuelMcF - 11-20-2019

(11-20-2019, 10:53 AM)CardinalSagehen Wrote:  
(11-19-2019, 02:09 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote:  In Mark Soltau's Sunday column, he noted that Stanford used 9 true frosh on kickoff coverage vs. WSU. Perhaps a reason that WSU was able to get an 86 yard return to kill Stanford's momentum after they pulled within 3.

Probably true, but it also didn't help that Sanborn's kicks weren't going through the end zone like they had been doing in recent games.  It was probably due to his injury that he couldn't make nearly every kickoff un-returnable. They said he was questionable right up until game day.

Man, who knew the position that might be most affected by injuries could be KICKER?