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RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 12-07-2022

(12-07-2022, 10:33 AM)Giants Wrote:  Judge received a $400 million/10 year offer from San Diego and said no thanks.  

Outsider - when are you going to learn money is not always going to be the answer.  Heck, the Pads lost out twice this year on premier free agents despite making substantially bigger bids. 

Players choose where they want to play based on multiple factors.  In Judge’s case, I would guess that playing on the biggest stage in the game for the most storied franchise was a significant reason for his decision.  

Next year, we will go through this process all over again when Ohtani hits the market.  Please be ready to be disappointed when he selects the Dodgers as his new employer.

Agree on Judge.  But here’s the other thing  - there are several others out there worth signing - starting with Tier 1 :  Correa, Boegarts Swanson Rodon 

Tier 2. Nimmo Senga 

Tier 3. Bassitt Taillon (if still available) Taylor Rodgers. 

To name a few.  They need to sign one of the SS’s. An SP. And Nimmo.

Do that, nice winter. Miss on all Top Tier and there’s trouble.  Excuses don’t cut it. It’s a results business. Giants essentially whiffed in ‘21. Can’t do so again.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 12-07-2022

(12-07-2022, 08:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(12-07-2022, 10:33 AM)Giants Wrote:  Judge received a $400 million/10 year offer from San Diego and said no thanks.  

Outsider - when are you going to learn money is not always going to be the answer.  Heck, the Pads lost out twice this year on premier free agents despite making substantially bigger bids. 

Players choose where they want to play based on multiple factors.  In Judge’s case, I would guess that playing on the biggest stage in the game for the most storied franchise was a significant reason for his decision.  

Next year, we will go through this process all over again when Ohtani hits the market.  Please be ready to be disappointed when he selects the Dodgers as his new employer.

Agree on Judge.  But here’s the other thing  - there are several others out there worth signing - starting with Tier 1 :  Correa, Boegarts Swanson Rodon 

Tier 2. Nimmo Senga 

Tier 3. Bassitt Taillon (if still available) Taylor Rodgers. 

To name a few.  They need to sign one of the SS’s. An SP. And Nimmo.

Do that, nice winter. Miss on all Top Tier and there’s trouble.  Excuses don’t cut it. It’s a results business. Giants essentially whiffed in ‘21.  Can’t do so again.

Taillon signed with the Cubs.

Nimmo, Correa, Senga, Rogers would do quite nicely, thank you very much.

A bit more on Judge.  Evidently, once a the numbers lined up, the notion of legacy played a big part in his decision.  It is hard to beat the Yankee mystique and becoming a legend there tops becoming a legend anywhere else.  If he can continue to produce big numbers and help his team win championships, a monument and captaincy await. For a ballplayer, it doesn’t get much better than that.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 12-08-2022

(12-07-2022, 11:20 PM)Giants Wrote:  
(12-07-2022, 08:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(12-07-2022, 10:33 AM)Giants Wrote:  Judge received a $400 million/10 year offer from San Diego and said no thanks.  

Outsider - when are you going to learn money is not always going to be the answer.  Heck, the Pads lost out twice this year on premier free agents despite making substantially bigger bids. 

Players choose where they want to play based on multiple factors.  In Judge’s case, I would guess that playing on the biggest stage in the game for the most storied franchise was a significant reason for his decision.  

Next year, we will go through this process all over again when Ohtani hits the market.  Please be ready to be disappointed when he selects the Dodgers as his new employer.

Agree on Judge.  But here’s the other thing  - there are several others out there worth signing - starting with Tier 1 :  Correa, Boegarts Swanson Rodon 

Tier 2. Nimmo Senga 

Tier 3. Bassitt Taillon (if still available) Taylor Rodgers. 

To name a few.  They need to sign one of the SS’s. An SP. And Nimmo.

Do that, nice winter. Miss on all Top Tier and there’s trouble.  Excuses don’t cut it. It’s a results business. Giants essentially whiffed in ‘21.  Can’t do so again.

Taillon signed with the Cubs.

Nimmo, Correa, Senga, Rogers would do quite nicely, thank you very much.

A bit more on Judge.  Evidently, once a the numbers lined up, the notion of legacy played a big part in his decision.  It is hard to beat the Yankee mystique and becoming a legend there tops becoming a legend anywhere else.  If he can continue to produce big numbers and help his team win championships, a monument and captaincy await. For a ballplayer, it doesn’t get much better than that.

I think it's really hard for those tall, lanky sluggers to continue producing. The Yankees are going to pay Judge until he's 40. Frank Howard (same height) matured late as a hitter -- like the big guys do -- and had his best years -- all-star years -- from ages 30-34. Marked dropoff from age 33 (44 HRs) to age 34 (26 HRs) and age 35 (10 HRs in 368 ABs). That's where Judge is headed, I think. I think has two more great years left in him.

Kingman managed to hit 35 HRs his age 37 year, but was such a creep that he couldn't find a team to play for in his age 38 year.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 12-08-2022

(12-08-2022, 05:58 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(12-07-2022, 11:20 PM)Giants Wrote:  
(12-07-2022, 08:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:  
(12-07-2022, 10:33 AM)Giants Wrote:  Judge received a $400 million/10 year offer from San Diego and said no thanks.  

Outsider - when are you going to learn money is not always going to be the answer.  Heck, the Pads lost out twice this year on premier free agents despite making substantially bigger bids. 

Players choose where they want to play based on multiple factors.  In Judge’s case, I would guess that playing on the biggest stage in the game for the most storied franchise was a significant reason for his decision.  

Next year, we will go through this process all over again when Ohtani hits the market.  Please be ready to be disappointed when he selects the Dodgers as his new employer.

Agree on Judge.  But here’s the other thing  - there are several others out there worth signing - starting with Tier 1 :  Correa, Boegarts Swanson Rodon 

Tier 2. Nimmo Senga 

Tier 3. Bassitt Taillon (if still available) Taylor Rodgers. 

To name a few.  They need to sign one of the SS’s. An SP. And Nimmo.

Do that, nice winter. Miss on all Top Tier and there’s trouble.  Excuses don’t cut it. It’s a results business. Giants essentially whiffed in ‘21.  Can’t do so again.

Taillon signed with the Cubs.

Nimmo, Correa, Senga, Rogers would do quite nicely, thank you very much.

A bit more on Judge.  Evidently, once a the numbers lined up, the notion of legacy played a big part in his decision.  It is hard to beat the Yankee mystique and becoming a legend there tops becoming a legend anywhere else.  If he can continue to produce big numbers and help his team win championships, a monument and captaincy await. For a ballplayer, it doesn’t get much better than that.

I think it's really hard for those tall, lanky sluggers to continue producing. The Yankees are going to pay Judge until he's 40. Frank Howard (same height) matured late as a hitter -- like the big guys do -- and had his best years -- all-star years -- from ages 30-34. Marked dropoff from age 33 (44 HRs) to age 34 (26 HRs) and age 35 (10 HRs in 368 ABs). That's where Judge is headed, I think. I think has two more great years left in him.

Kingman managed to hit 35 HRs his age 37 year, but was such a creep that he couldn't find a team to play for in his age 38 year.

Judge is 6’7. 280.  Not exactly lanky. Frank Thomas closest I can think of.  Hit well in late 30’s. 

Frank Howard played  at a time where conditioning wasn’t as scientific.  And he was no where near the athlete Judge is. 

Plus the DH will help.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BobK - 12-08-2022

Frank Howard was an All American Basketball player the Ohio State. I’d say a damn good athlete. :)


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Phogge - 12-08-2022

Kingman also pitched at SC and threw a few innings for the Giants in ‘73 before being traded. And he wasn’t a jerk in his early Giants career at least to me. He could drag bunt and play ok defense. Something happened to him after he left the Giants.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 12-08-2022

(12-08-2022, 08:41 AM)Phogge Wrote:  Kingman also pitched at SC and threw a few innings for the Giants in ‘73 before being traded. And he wasn’t a jerk in his early Giants career at least to me. He could drag bunt and play ok defense. Something happened to him after he left the Giants.

Just an oddity, but when baseball had the collusion scandal, Dave Kingman received the largest settlement check ($829k) from the $9.7 mms. settlement fund.

Supposedly he started being a jerk during his third year as a Cub, which was his second All Star season in a row (he only made 2 all star teams). I think it was his age 30 or 31 year.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - cardcrimson - 12-08-2022

Xander a Padre. . . .$280 million over 11 years. That's a long contract for a 30year old.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 12-08-2022

(12-08-2022, 03:30 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  Xander a Padre. . . .$280 million over 11 years. That's a long contract for a 30year old.

Another failed contract.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - BostonCard - 12-08-2022

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And I'm a Padre fan.

BC


triangle2 - triangle2 - 12-08-2022

Nimmo back to the Mets. Options are rapidly shrinking. Feels like the Giants are like George McGovern in ‘72 offering the VP slot to anyone who would listen and getting turned down.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Mick - 12-10-2022

Giants really need Correa. They could use a power-hitting outfielder like Brian Reynolds, but they'd have to give up Bart and Luciano for him. Be nice if they get Kodai Senga as one starter.  Senga signed with the Mets.

How about Adam Frazier at 2B, one year removed from an all star year and coming off of his worst year?

Belt on a one year contract. Yup.

The list of ex-SF Giant free agent third basemen includes Donnie Barrels (Donovan Solano), Jason Vosler, Evan Longoria, Charlie Culberson, Matt Duffy, and Ehire Adrianza. Good thing the Giants have Villar and JD Davis.


RE: triangle2 - cardcrimson - 12-10-2022

(12-08-2022, 07:11 PM)triangle2 Wrote:  Nimmo back to the Mets. Options are rapidly shrinking. Feels like the Giants are like George McGovern in ‘72 offering the VP slot to anyone who would listen and getting turned down.

Don't know much about Nimmo, but I read an article referenced somewhere. Seems to not hit for power, kind of gets on base, and is injury prone. Considered the second best free agent outfielder this year. Seems the Giants dodged a bullet here.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-re-sign-brandon-nimmo-to-eight-year-deal.html


RE: triangle2 - Mick - 12-11-2022

(12-10-2022, 09:12 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(12-08-2022, 07:11 PM)triangle2 Wrote:  Nimmo back to the Mets. Options are rapidly shrinking. Feels like the Giants are like George McGovern in ‘72 offering the VP slot to anyone who would listen and getting turned down.

Don't know much about Nimmo, but I read an article referenced somewhere. Seems to not hit for power, kind of gets on base, and is injury prone. Considered the second best free agent outfielder this year. Seems the Giants dodged a bullet here.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-re-sign-brandon-nimmo-to-eight-year-deal.html

Frankly...I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think that about most super-sized free agent contracts. I think about the bullets we dodged (Kris Bryant) and bullets we didn't dodge, like Barry Zito, or going way back, Rennie Stennett.  Or guys like Bryce Harper who signed with Philadelphia -- the ballpark where he has the highest OPS. Harper's OPS at SF last year was .533 and .656 for his career, lowest for any ballpark that he's had 100 or more ABs. He doesn't hit well in SF, period. 

There are two major "name" shortstops left, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson.  Of the 27 ballparks in which Correa has played, he has the second-lowest OPS at Oracle Park, just .449. For his career, Swanson is only .618 OPS at Oracle but he had a 1.122 OPS there last year, tops among all ballparks he played in last year. I say, get Swanson.


RE: triangle2 - Giants - 12-11-2022

(12-11-2022, 07:54 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(12-10-2022, 09:12 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(12-08-2022, 07:11 PM)triangle2 Wrote:  Nimmo back to the Mets. Options are rapidly shrinking. Feels like the Giants are like George McGovern in ‘72 offering the VP slot to anyone who would listen and getting turned down.

Don't know much about Nimmo, but I read an article referenced somewhere. Seems to not hit for power, kind of gets on base, and is injury prone. Considered the second best free agent outfielder this year. Seems the Giants dodged a bullet here.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-re-sign-brandon-nimmo-to-eight-year-deal.html

Frankly...I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think that about most super-sized free agent contracts. I think about the bullets we dodged (Kris Bryant) and bullets we didn't dodge, like Barry Zito, or going way back, Rennie Stennett.  Or guys like Bryce Harper who signed with Philadelphia -- the ballpark where he has the highest OPS. Harper's OPS at SF last year was .533 and .656 for his career, lowest for any ballpark that he's had 100 or more ABs. He doesn't hit well in SF, period. 

There are two major "name" shortstops left, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson.  Of the 27 ballparks in which Correa has played, he has the second-lowest OPS at Oracle Park, just .449. For his career, Swanson is only .618 OPS at Oracle but he had a 1.122 OPS there last year, tops among all ballparks he played in last year. I say, get Swanson.

What is the sample size for the stats you are quoting?  I am guessing Correa’s is rather low considering he is an AL guy.  

Of the two, Correa is the better player.  I remain hopeful SF will sign him.


RE: triangle2 - lex24 - 12-11-2022

(12-11-2022, 07:54 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(12-10-2022, 09:12 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(12-08-2022, 07:11 PM)triangle2 Wrote:  Nimmo back to the Mets. Options are rapidly shrinking. Feels like the Giants are like George McGovern in ‘72 offering the VP slot to anyone who would listen and getting turned down.

Don't know much about Nimmo, but I read an article referenced somewhere. Seems to not hit for power, kind of gets on base, and is injury prone. Considered the second best free agent outfielder this year. Seems the Giants dodged a bullet here.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-re-sign-brandon-nimmo-to-eight-year-deal.html

Frankly...I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think that about most super-sized free agent contracts. I think about the bullets we dodged (Kris Bryant) and bullets we didn't dodge, like Barry Zito, or going way back, Rennie Stennett.  Or guys like Bryce Harper who signed with Philadelphia -- the ballpark where he has the highest OPS. Harper's OPS at SF last year was .533 and .656 for his career, lowest for any ballpark that he's had 100 or more ABs. He doesn't hit well in SF, period. 

There are two major "name" shortstops left, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson.  Of the 27 ballparks in which Correa has played, he has the second-lowest OPS at Oracle Park, just .449. For his career, Swanson is only .618 OPS at Oracle but he had a 1.122 OPS there last year, tops among all ballparks he played in last year. I say, get Swanson.

Cherry-picking aside, stars matter. The market is what it is.  Was Nimmo “overpaid”. Sure.  But was it out of line with other offers. Dunno.

(Bryant was an easy pass. He did not perform all that well in SF and the Rockies made an absurd offer. Much as the Giants did with Zito. It wasn’t that they signed him. It was that by all accounts they were way beyond any other offer. Having said that, they don’t win in 2012 without Zito. So, maybe it was worth it after all.)

Nimmo had a .373 OBP last year. Hit over .300. He’s fast. And a CF. Only hit 5 HRs last year. But has hit as many as 20.

Correa is a better pick than Swanson. Terrific defensive SS with power.  What he has hit at Oracle in a few AB’s is irrelevant.  He’s also supposedly a tremendous teammate.  
Yes, they will need to pay a premium.  Yes, the back end will be scary.  So, what. That’s the market they are in.  We were told they are going to be major players. To date, they’ve whiffed. But if they can’t get Correa - sure, go after Swanson.

Right now it’s a weak roster. They will add.  But if it’s only at Bargain Market, this will be a lost Winter. Worse than ‘21. When this organization could not afford that result.  Something Zaidi basically admitted pre December.

Trying doesn’t matter. Results do.  So far, the results have been abysmal.


RE: triangle2 - Mick - 12-11-2022

(12-11-2022, 10:04 AM)lex24 Wrote:  
(12-11-2022, 07:54 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(12-10-2022, 09:12 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(12-08-2022, 07:11 PM)triangle2 Wrote:  Nimmo back to the Mets. Options are rapidly shrinking. Feels like the Giants are like George McGovern in ‘72 offering the VP slot to anyone who would listen and getting turned down.

Don't know much about Nimmo, but I read an article referenced somewhere. Seems to not hit for power, kind of gets on base, and is injury prone. Considered the second best free agent outfielder this year. Seems the Giants dodged a bullet here.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-re-sign-brandon-nimmo-to-eight-year-deal.html

Frankly...I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think that about most super-sized free agent contracts. I think about the bullets we dodged (Kris Bryant) and bullets we didn't dodge, like Barry Zito, or going way back, Rennie Stennett.  Or guys like Bryce Harper who signed with Philadelphia -- the ballpark where he has the highest OPS. Harper's OPS at SF last year was .533 and .656 for his career, lowest for any ballpark that he's had 100 or more ABs. He doesn't hit well in SF, period. 

There are two major "name" shortstops left, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson.  Of the 27 ballparks in which Correa has played, he has the second-lowest OPS at Oracle Park, just .449. For his career, Swanson is only .618 OPS at Oracle but he had a 1.122 OPS there last year, tops among all ballparks he played in last year. I say, get Swanson.

Cherry-picking aside, stars matter. The market is what it is.  Was Nimmo “overpaid”. Sure.  But was it out of line with other offers. Dunno.

(Bryant was an easy pass.  He did not perform all that well in SF and the Rockies made an absurd offer.  Much as the Giants did with Zito.  It wasn’t that they signed him.  It was that by all accounts they were way beyond any other offer. Having said that, they don’t win in 2012 without Zito.  So, maybe it was worth it after all.)

Nimmo had a .373 OBP last year. Hit over .300. He’s fast. And a CF. Only hit 5 HRs last year. But has hit as many as 20. 

Correa is a better pick than Swanson. Terrific defensive SS with power.  What he has hit at Oracle in a few AB’s is irrelevant.  He’s also supposedly a tremendous teammate.  
Yes, they will need to pay a premium.  Yes, the back end will be scary.  So, what. That’s the market they are in.  We were told they are going to be major players. To date, they’ve  whiffed. But if they can’t get Correa - sure, go after Swanson.

Right now it’s a weak roster. They will add.  But if it’s only at Bargain Market, this will be a lost  Winter. Worse than ‘21.  When this organization could not afford that result.  Something Zaidi basically admitted pre December.

Trying doesn’t matter. Results do.  So far, the results have been abysmal.

I wonder about that. League average ERA was 3.94 in 2012, Zito's was 4.15, 39th among 47 NL starting pitchers that year. He got very lucky...good for him and good for the Giants, but another average starter that didn't have a salary among the top five starters could likely have managed a 4.15 ERA, particularly with Posey catching.

Correa has gone 3 for 19 at Oracle, all singles, with six strikeouts. At home, he has annihilated Giants pitching. Swanson's 2022 OPS was slightly lower than Correa's and Swanson was a gold glove fielder. They both had 8 errors, but Swanson had more than 100 more chances in the field. Swanson also had 77 DPs vs  51 for Correa. Swanson was an all star, Correa was not.  Frankly, I'd take either one over what we have.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 12-11-2022

To date, very disappointing.  However, a number of names are still available The Giants need to sign at least three - SS, SP and RP (Correa, Bassitt, Rogers???), negotiate a trade for an OF and hope the farm system does a 180 from the ‘22 results to remain within shouting distance of LA and SD.  Otherwise, 2023 will be a long march to nowhere (in particular)….

Update: Forget Bassitt. SF not pursuing him at this time. Insert another SP (Manea) in place of Bassitt.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - lex24 - 12-12-2022

(12-11-2022, 12:46 PM)Giants Wrote:  To date, very disappointing.  However, a number of names are still available The Giants need to sign at least three - SS, SP and RP (Correa, Bassitt, Rogers???), negotiate a trade for an OF and hope the farm system does a 180 from the ‘22 results to remain within shouting distance of LA and SD.  Otherwise, 2023 will be a long march to nowhere (in particular)….

Update:  Forget Bassitt.  SF not pursuing him at this time.  Insert another SP (Manea) in place of Bassitt.

You nailed Manaea.  Not excited on this end.

(12-11-2022, 10:36 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(12-11-2022, 10:04 AM)lex24 Wrote:  
(12-11-2022, 07:54 AM)Mick Wrote:  
(12-10-2022, 09:12 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(12-08-2022, 07:11 PM)triangle2 Wrote:  Nimmo back to the Mets. Options are rapidly shrinking. Feels like the Giants are like George McGovern in ‘72 offering the VP slot to anyone who would listen and getting turned down.

Don't know much about Nimmo, but I read an article referenced somewhere. Seems to not hit for power, kind of gets on base, and is injury prone. Considered the second best free agent outfielder this year. Seems the Giants dodged a bullet here.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/mets-to-re-sign-brandon-nimmo-to-eight-year-deal.html

Frankly...I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I think that about most super-sized free agent contracts. I think about the bullets we dodged (Kris Bryant) and bullets we didn't dodge, like Barry Zito, or going way back, Rennie Stennett.  Or guys like Bryce Harper who signed with Philadelphia -- the ballpark where he has the highest OPS. Harper's OPS at SF last year was .533 and .656 for his career, lowest for any ballpark that he's had 100 or more ABs. He doesn't hit well in SF, period. 

There are two major "name" shortstops left, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson.  Of the 27 ballparks in which Correa has played, he has the second-lowest OPS at Oracle Park, just .449. For his career, Swanson is only .618 OPS at Oracle but he had a 1.122 OPS there last year, tops among all ballparks he played in last year. I say, get Swanson.

Cherry-picking aside, stars matter. The market is what it is.  Was Nimmo “overpaid”. Sure.  But was it out of line with other offers. Dunno.

(Bryant was an easy pass.  He did not perform all that well in SF and the Rockies made an absurd offer.  Much as the Giants did with Zito.  It wasn’t that they signed him.  It was that by all accounts they were way beyond any other offer. Having said that, they don’t win in 2012 without Zito.  So, maybe it was worth it after all.)

Nimmo had a .373 OBP last year. Hit over .300. He’s fast. And a CF. Only hit 5 HRs last year. But has hit as many as 20. 

Correa is a better pick than Swanson. Terrific defensive SS with power.  What he has hit at Oracle in a few AB’s is irrelevant.  He’s also supposedly a tremendous teammate.  
Yes, they will need to pay a premium.  Yes, the back end will be scary.  So, what. That’s the market they are in.  We were told they are going to be major players. To date, they’ve  whiffed. But if they can’t get Correa - sure, go after Swanson.

Right now it’s a weak roster. They will add.  But if it’s only at Bargain Market, this will be a lost  Winter. Worse than ‘21.  When this organization could not afford that result.  Something Zaidi basically admitted pre December.

Trying doesn’t matter. Results do.  So far, the results have been abysmal.

I wonder about that. League average ERA was 3.94 in 2012, Zito's was 4.15, 39th among 47 NL starting pitchers that year. He got very lucky...good for him and good for the Giants, but another average starter that didn't have a salary among the top five starters could likely have managed a 4.15 ERA, particularly with Posey catching.

Correa has gone 3 for 19 at Oracle, all singles, with six strikeouts. At home, he has annihilated Giants pitching. Swanson's 2022 OPS was slightly lower than Correa's and Swanson was a gold glove fielder. They both had 8 errors, but Swanson had more than 100 more chances in the field. Swanson also had 77 DPs vs  51 for Correa. Swanson was an all star, Correa was not.  Frankly, I'd take either one over what we have.

Mick, 19 ABs mean nothing. Remember Mark Portugal.  Killed the Giants. So, they signed him.  Continued to kill the Giants…..

Zito was nails in NLCS and series in ‘12. Which is what I meant.


RE: OT: Giants 2023 thread - Giants - 12-12-2022

Oops.  Misspelling - Manaea not Manea.  

He is a classic Zaidi choice - a guy who has had success in the past but needs a fresh start under different leadership.  The contract is similar to Rodon’s (two years, with opt-out after one).  Let’s hope the results are also similar.  Ok. Time to add Correa, Rogers and an OF.