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RE: Sports trivia thread - Mick - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 11:08 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021, 12:18 PM)Mick Wrote:  8. A.J. Pierzynski (of all people).  Him, I don't get.  Apart from the fact that he was a crank, he was an average hitter (.739 OPS, .280 BA), and a terrible fielder (was in top five stolen bases allowed eight times, top five passed balls five times).  His only year with the Giants, he led the league in grounding into double plays, the only offensive category he ever led the league.  All-star twice in a 19 year career, silver slugger once.  4x as many passed balls as Posey.  Range factor below league average.

I agree that Pierzynski (together with Papelbon) is one of the weaker players on the ballot, although it doesn't really matter. But just out of curiosity, in what way does Range Factor measure a catcher's defensive ability?

It covers assists and putouts.  For catchers, strikeouts are credited to the catcher. Pierzynski is rated #65 over the course of his career.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - DC 86 - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 11:17 AM)Mick Wrote:  

(11-30-2021, 11:08 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021, 12:18 PM)Mick Wrote:  8. A.J. Pierzynski (of all people).  Him, I don't get.  Apart from the fact that he was a crank, he was an average hitter (.739 OPS, .280 BA), and a terrible fielder (was in top five stolen bases allowed eight times, top five passed balls five times).  His only year with the Giants, he led the league in grounding into double plays, the only offensive category he ever led the league.  All-star twice in a 19 year career, silver slugger once.  4x as many passed balls as Posey.  Range factor below league average.

I agree that Pierzynski (together with Papelbon) is one of the weaker players on the ballot, although it doesn't really matter. But just out of curiosity, in what way does Range Factor measure a catcher's defensive ability?

It covers assists and putouts.  For catchers, strikeouts are credited to the catcher.

That's my point. Almost all of a catcher's putouts are strikeouts. If you are catching the Brewers staff then your "range" will be sky high and if you are  catching the Cardinals staff your "range" will be well below average. It's not relevant for catchers. There's plenty to ding Pierzynski with but that's a reach.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - Mick - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 11:28 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021, 11:17 AM)Mick Wrote:  

(11-30-2021, 11:08 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021, 12:18 PM)Mick Wrote:  8. A.J. Pierzynski (of all people).  Him, I don't get.  Apart from the fact that he was a crank, he was an average hitter (.739 OPS, .280 BA), and a terrible fielder (was in top five stolen bases allowed eight times, top five passed balls five times).  His only year with the Giants, he led the league in grounding into double plays, the only offensive category he ever led the league.  All-star twice in a 19 year career, silver slugger once.  4x as many passed balls as Posey.  Range factor below league average.

I agree that Pierzynski (together with Papelbon) is one of the weaker players on the ballot, although it doesn't really matter. But just out of curiosity, in what way does Range Factor measure a catcher's defensive ability?

It covers assists and putouts.  For catchers, strikeouts are credited to the catcher.

That's my point. Almost all of a catcher's putouts are strikeouts. If you are catching the Brewers staff then your "range" will be sky high and if you are  catching the Cardinals staff your "range" will be well below average. It's not relevant for catchers. There's plenty to ding Pierzynski with but that's a reach.

I don't know that it's all that much of a reach.  Catcher catches the pitches and frames the pitches and they have their own assists, putouts, double plays, etc.  But if it makes you feel better, AJP's fielding Sabrmetrics are almost uniformly negative (average is 0) across his career.  That's true for:

* Total Zone Fielding Runs Above Average (-36)
* Total Zone Catcher Runs Above Average (-36)
* Defensive Runs Saved Above Average (-57)
* +/- Fielding Runs Above Average (-4)
* Catcher Runs Above Average (-15)
* Catcher Strike Zone Runs Above Average (-16)

There are 15 career defensive metrics assigned to catchers.  AJP has two that are positive, three that are neutral (0) and ten that are negative.  Doesn't really scream Hall of Fame to me.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - Phogge - 11-30-2021

Had my weekly conference call with two old teammates. As usual about 58 of the 65 minutes was baseball. Hall of Fame was center stage. The second baseman thought Minoso and Hodges should be picked, the catcher said that he would commit suicide if AJ ever made it and I just want Allie Reynolds to be voted in. Minoso is a close call IMO. We all agreed on Dick Allen (when we first saw him play it was "Ritchie"). I hope Clemens never gets in and though I hated Bonds when I worked around him I believe he merits the Hall. Same for Pete Rose.

If you want a treat find Ted Williams induction speech on Youtube. A classic from a guy who hated to make speeches.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - DC 86 - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 11:48 AM)Mick Wrote:  

(11-30-2021, 11:28 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021, 11:17 AM)Mick Wrote:  

(11-30-2021, 11:08 AM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(11-29-2021, 12:18 PM)Mick Wrote:  8. A.J. Pierzynski (of all people).  Him, I don't get.  Apart from the fact that he was a crank, he was an average hitter (.739 OPS, .280 BA), and a terrible fielder (was in top five stolen bases allowed eight times, top five passed balls five times).  His only year with the Giants, he led the league in grounding into double plays, the only offensive category he ever led the league.  All-star twice in a 19 year career, silver slugger once.  4x as many passed balls as Posey.  Range factor below league average.

I agree that Pierzynski (together with Papelbon) is one of the weaker players on the ballot, although it doesn't really matter. But just out of curiosity, in what way does Range Factor measure a catcher's defensive ability?

It covers assists and putouts.  For catchers, strikeouts are credited to the catcher.

That's my point. Almost all of a catcher's putouts are strikeouts. If you are catching the Brewers staff then your "range" will be sky high and if you are  catching the Cardinals staff your "range" will be well below average. It's not relevant for catchers. There's plenty to ding Pierzynski with but that's a reach.

I don't know that it's all that much of a reach.  Catcher catches the pitches and frames the pitches and they have their own assists, putouts, double plays, etc.  But if it makes you feel better, AJP's fielding Sabrmetrics are almost uniformly negative (average is 0) across his career.  That's true for:

* Total Zone Fielding Runs Above Average (-36)
* Total Zone Catcher Runs Above Average (-36)
* Defensive Runs Saved Above Average (-57)
* +/- Fielding Runs Above Average (-4)
* Catcher Runs Above Average (-15)
* Catcher Strike Zone Runs Above Average (-16)

There are 15 career defensive metrics assigned to catchers.  AJP has two that are positive, three that are neutral (0) and ten that are negative.  Doesn't really scream Hall of Fame to me.

I started off by saying that he was a weak candidate so saying "doesn't really scream Hall of Fame to me" and citing defensive statistics that are actually relevant is a weak attempt to reframe what I was arguing. The fact remains that "Range Factor" is essentially irrelevant to catcher defensive evaluation. All of the other inputs are other very minor or again not dependent on catcher ability.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - BobK - 11-30-2021

When Jerry Rice broke the 49er Scoring record, whose record did he break ?

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RE: Sports trivia thread - Phogge - 11-30-2021

Joe Perry? Gordie Soltau? Tommy Davis?

Who was the last 49er to return two punts for TD's in the same game?

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Who was the last visiting player to return two punts for TD's in the same game at Cal's Memorial Stadium?

Who was the most famous of Craig Morton's dates in his senior year at Cal?

What is the only NCAA championship where the squads contain members of both sexes competing for one championship? Meaning in this context Male and Female.

Why did BobbbbbbK become a Stanford Super Fan?

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RE: Sports trivia thread - qwerty49 - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 03:15 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Joe Perry? Gordie Soltau? Tommy Davis?

Who was the last 49er to return two punts for TD's in the same game?

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Who was the last visiting player to return two punts for TD's in the same game at Cal's Memorial Stadium?

Who was the most famous of Craig Morton's dates in his senior year at Cal?

What is the only NCAA championship where the squads contain members of both sexes competing for one championship? Meaning in this context Male and Female.

Why did BobbbbbbK become a Stanford Super Fan?

Dickie Moegle?

Jackie Jensen?

Don’t know about Morton but the hottest waitress at Sundance was dating Bartkowski for a while.

Cheerleading?

BobK’s mom was the first female sports editor for the Stanford Daily.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - DC 86 - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 03:15 PM)Phogge Wrote:  What is the only NCAA championship where the squads contain members of both sexes competing for one championship? Meaning in this context Male and Female.

Fencing.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - cardcrimson - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 04:41 PM)DC 86 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021, 03:15 PM)Phogge Wrote:  What is the only NCAA championship where the squads contain members of both sexes competing for one championship? Meaning in this context Male and Female.

Fencing.

Rowing / Crew ? Female coxswains. . . .

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RE: Sports trivia thread - BobK - 11-30-2021

Rowing isn't an NCAA Championship sport.

Ray Wershing held the 49er record before Rice.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - cardcrimson - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 05:13 PM)BobK Wrote:  Rowing isn't an NCAA Championship sport.

Ray Wershing held the 49er record before Rice.

Guess the NCAA website is incorrect.

https://www.ncaa.com/live-updates/rowing/d1/texas-wins-2021-di-rowing-championship

maybe it's men's crew that isn't. more research. okay, it's the IRA not the NCAA for all weight classes, except women's heavy. Title IX?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercollegiate_Rowing_Association

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RE: Sports trivia thread - Phogge - 11-30-2021

Egg on my face. Didn't know fencing was coed. OK, so what's the other coed NCAA championship?

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RE: Sports trivia thread - BobK - 11-30-2021

Bowling ?

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RE: Sports trivia thread - Phogge - 11-30-2021

As far as I know it's your Mustangs Bobbb
who had a lock on coed rodeo.

Q nailed the BobbbbbK question.

Carol Doda "dated" Morton while he was playing at Cal.

Abe Woodson once returned two punts for TD's at Kezar.

Mike Garrett did the same at Memorial Stadium.


What rare and unusual thing happened as Voldemort winner Tom Harmon raced to the Cal goal line for one of his four TD's on the day?

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RE: Sports trivia thread - BobK - 11-30-2021

Cal Poly has a coed radio team but it’s not an ncaa championship sport

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RE: Sports trivia thread - BostonCard - 11-30-2021

(11-30-2021, 06:05 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Egg on my face. Didn't know fencing was coed. OK, so what's the other coed NCAA championship?

I’d have said sailing, but it is not an NCAA sport.

BC

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RE: Sports trivia thread - BobK - 11-30-2021

These two actors who attended Stanford appeared in at least three movies together. Who are they ?

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RE: Sports trivia thread - Phogge - 12-01-2021

(11-30-2021, 09:07 PM)BobK Wrote:  Cal Poly has a coed radio team but it’s not an ncaa championship sport

What are the events? Reading the news? Spinning a disc? Best oldies but goodies records?

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Jack Palance and Richard Boone.

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RE: Sports trivia thread - BobK - 12-01-2021

Didn’t remember Palance at Stanford and not who I was thinking but Phogge is right
Ok Boone and one other several movies together

Rodeo. Rodeo. Redeo.

However at Cal Poly 1965 first time I heard on the radio Wolfman Jack

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