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RE: Class of 2023 - BostonCard - 03-01-2022

Year of the Tiger, I hope.

BC

RE: Class of 2023 - newguy - 03-02-2022

(03-01-2022, 11:51 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Year of the Tiger, I hope.

BC

well-said.
https://247sports.com/college/stanford/Article/Four-Star-receiver-Tiger-Bachmeier-breaks-down-commitment-to-Stanford--183701366/

RE: Class of 2023 - murky - 03-02-2022

Apparently the staff is doing something right:

..."The two biggest things I was looking for are the player development and the comfort level at the school," Bachmeier said. "Stanford really fit both of those. To be honest, academics wasn't even the most important part of the decision...

RE: Class of 2023 - TrumpCard - 03-02-2022

Welcome to the Farm, Tiger! (Are we really at the point where freshmen could be named after Tiger Woods?)

Just a quick note for those who didn't recall. Shaw looked at Hank Bachmeier (presumably Tiger's brother) as a QB for the 2019 class, but decided to offer Helinski instead, and Shaw then whiffed altogether. I hadn't heard much about Hank Bachmeier since that recruiting cycle, but just looked him up. He committed to Boise State where he split time at QB his freshman year and started each of the last two years. Looks like a pretty good player who would have contributed if he had been offered and come to Stanford.

RE: Class of 2023 - SamuelMcF - 03-02-2022

(03-02-2022, 02:41 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Just a quick note for those who didn't recall. Shaw looked at Hank Bachmeier (presumably Tiger's brother) as a QB for the 2019 class, but decided to offer Helinski instead, and Shaw then whiffed altogether. I hadn't heard much about Hank Bachmeier since that recruiting cycle, but just looked him up. He committed to Boise State where he split time at QB his freshman year and started each of the last two years. Looks like a pretty good player who would have contributed if he had been offered and come to Stanford.

Quick revision:

The plan (as bad as it was) was to not offer a 2019 QB at all. Hilinski was a total last-minute hail mary that didn't work out.

Hank Bachmeier committed to Boise State in May, and turned down a bunch of late P5 suitors trying to flip him later that summer. I doubt a total last-minute hail mary would've changed his mind regardless.

RE: Class of 2023 - martyup - 03-02-2022

Anyone who celebrates by eating ribs is okay in my book. Way to go Tiger!

RE: Class of 2023 - msqueri - 03-02-2022

Three dimensional analysis on Bachmeier:

Services: 247 composite #455 (#61 WR), On3 consensus #616 (#98 WR), 247 #33 WR, Rivals 5.6 grade (same grade as Silas Starr, Bryce Farrell, Isaiah Brandt-Sims, Taijuan Thomas, Conner Crane, Dontonio Jordan, Devon Cajuste), On3 #103 WR, ESPN NR

Offers: Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, Cal, Colorado, Fresno State, Kansas, Louisville, Nevada, Oregon, Pitt, San Diego State, Utah, Utah State, Washington State

Production: As a junior playing for Murrieta Valley against decently good competition, Bachmeier had 80 catches for 1426 yards (17.8 yards per catch) and 16 touchdowns, accounting for 46 percent of the team's passing offense; and he had five kick returns for an average of 44.4 yards per return. Here's an updated leaderboard of the junior year share of passing offense metric: 1) Fehoko (63 percent) 2) Thompson (48 percent), 3) Wilson (47 percent) 4) Bachmeier (46 percent) 5) Humphreys (43 percent) 6) Starr (36 percent) 7) Reuben (35 percent) 8) Irwin (32 percent), 9) St. Brown (27 percent) 10) Farrell (17 percent), 11) Bowman (15 percent). In the pandemic-shortened sophomore year playing for Murrieta Valley against poor competition, he had 33 catches for 600 yards (18.2 yards per catch) and 6 touchdowns, accounting for 42 percent of the team's passing offense; on defense he had 3.6 tackles per game (13th on the team), 2 forced fumbles (led the team), and 1 fumble recovery; and he returned eight kickoffs for an average of 35 yards per return. As a freshman for Orange Lutheran against spectacular national elite (Trinity League) competition, he had 28 catches for 407 yards (14.5 yards per catch) and 3 touchdowns, accounting for 36 percent of the team's passing offense. In track he has had a 14' 6 pole vault as a junior, an 11.66 100 as a sophomore (there's an 11.27 mentioned but I haven't seen it verified), and a 5' 6 high jump as as sophomore. The track marks are not impressive but he's only had one meet as a junior and has yet to run in the 100 (he did do a 4X100 relay) or compete in any individual events outside of the pole vault, so it will be interesting to hopefully get a more up-to-date read on his athleticism in the coming weeks. That's all the more true in light of the highlights as the junior highlights showed an after-the-catch dimension almost totally lacking from prior highlights, making me even more interested in seeing whether we can corroborate measures of athleticism.

Nice to get on the board in WR recruiting for 2023 as we have significant needs across the offense in this class. If Bachmeier is WR3 in the class that will be really nice. If he's WR1 that might be a problem but it seems like we have some good leads at WR. After seeing Rivals' meh evaluation and how few offers Bachmeier has picked up in the last six months I was expecting to discover a stalled recruitment after a big Trinity League freshman year - that is, a problematic early bloomer like we saw with Bowman, Farrell, and Starr. But he had a quite impressive junior year that lends some credence to the 247 4-star evaluation. I can see a Michael Wilson ceiling here. I would bet on something less, but there's something interesting here. Also, notably, we are in the midst of a bit of a run of guys who were highly productive WRs this fall (Reuben, Thompson, Bachmeier). Given Kennedy's apparent chops as a position coach it's reasonable he can turn this recent WR recruiting into something solid. I still worry about the comedown from our incredible stretch of 2017-2020 WR recruiting, but hopefully we can get 1-2 among Braylon James, Rashid Williams, and Tyler Williams.

RE: Class of 2023 - BostonCard - 03-02-2022

Thank you Matt. Your recruiting eye hasn’t lost a step (sry for the mixed metaphor). Great to see you again, and hope you can keep posting.

BC

RE: Class of 2023 - TrumpCard - 03-03-2022

(03-02-2022, 08:10 PM)msqueri Wrote: Three dimensional analysis on Bachmeier:

Wow, this is your FIRST post on Cardboard? I hope it won't be the last. Always appreciate your knowledge, research, and opinion.

RE: Class of 2023 - Phogge - 03-03-2022

Of course he's smart. Went to SI.

RE: Class of 2023 - BostonCard - 03-03-2022

(03-03-2022, 12:46 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:
(03-02-2022, 08:10 PM)msqueri Wrote: Three dimensional analysis on Bachmeier:

Wow, this is your FIRST post on Cardboard? I hope it won't be the last. Always appreciate your knowledge, research, and opinion.

I have to believe Matt has posted here before. If not, he certainly was a regular on the other site, and the caliber of the above post is pretty representative.

BC

RE: Class of 2023 - TrumpCard - 03-03-2022

(03-02-2022, 06:12 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(03-02-2022, 02:41 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Just a quick note for those who didn't recall. Shaw looked at Hank Bachmeier (presumably Tiger's brother) as a QB for the 2019 class, but decided to offer Helinski instead, and Shaw then whiffed altogether. I hadn't heard much about Hank Bachmeier since that recruiting cycle, but just looked him up. He committed to Boise State where he split time at QB his freshman year and started each of the last two years. Looks like a pretty good player who would have contributed if he had been offered and come to Stanford.

Quick revision:

The plan (as bad as it was) was to not offer a 2019 QB at all. Hilinski was a total last-minute hail mary that didn't work out.

Hank Bachmeier committed to Boise State in May, and turned down a bunch of late P5 suitors trying to flip him later that summer. I doubt a total last-minute hail mary would've changed his mind regardless.

Given the state of Stanford's QB room, I wonder whether Tiger's brother would be interested, and academically positioned, to transfer to Stanford. I assume he would be the front-runner to start in 2023. With COVID policy to thank for 2 years of eligibility, he theoretically could transfer as an undergrad and get a big step up in the value of his degree. That might mean more than football for his future since his stature and stats strike me more as "excellent college QB," than "NFL QB potential."

RE: Class of 2023 - SamuelMcF - 03-03-2022

(03-03-2022, 05:18 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:
(03-02-2022, 06:12 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(03-02-2022, 02:41 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Just a quick note for those who didn't recall. Shaw looked at Hank Bachmeier (presumably Tiger's brother) as a QB for the 2019 class, but decided to offer Helinski instead, and Shaw then whiffed altogether. I hadn't heard much about Hank Bachmeier since that recruiting cycle, but just looked him up. He committed to Boise State where he split time at QB his freshman year and started each of the last two years. Looks like a pretty good player who would have contributed if he had been offered and come to Stanford.

Quick revision:

The plan (as bad as it was) was to not offer a 2019 QB at all. Hilinski was a total last-minute hail mary that didn't work out.

Hank Bachmeier committed to Boise State in May, and turned down a bunch of late P5 suitors trying to flip him later that summer. I doubt a total last-minute hail mary would've changed his mind regardless.

Given the state of Stanford's QB room, I wonder whether Tiger's brother would be interested, and academically positioned, to transfer to Stanford. I assume he would be the front-runner to start in 2023. With COVID policy to thank for 2 years of eligibility, he theoretically could transfer as an undergrad and get a big step up in the value of his degree. That might mean more than football for his future since his stature and stats strike me more as "excellent college QB," than "NFL QB potential."

Academically maybe (has a 3.40 GPA), but he's listed as a senior so is likely graduating early and NFL-bound anyways after this coming season.

Also note that "stature" no longer matters. Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, and top QB prospects in the coming 2022 draft, Liberty QB Malik Willis (6'0 3/8"), UNC QB Sam Howell (6'0 1/4"), and Ole Miss QB Matt Corral (6'1") all send their regards.

ALSO, Shaw didn't know wtf to do with a grad transfer QB that just came in recently anyways. The Denny's Menu, 95% of which is not used, is just too complex, I guess.

RE: Class of 2023 - Section QQ - 03-03-2022

(03-03-2022, 12:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: Of course he's smart. Went to SI.

Second best Jesuit high school in the Bay Area.

RE: Class of 2023 - Phogge - 03-03-2022

But they have girls Mr. Bell.

RE: Class of 2023 - BostonCard - 03-03-2022

(03-03-2022, 05:36 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(03-03-2022, 05:18 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:
(03-02-2022, 06:12 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(03-02-2022, 02:41 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Just a quick note for those who didn't recall. Shaw looked at Hank Bachmeier (presumably Tiger's brother) as a QB for the 2019 class, but decided to offer Helinski instead, and Shaw then whiffed altogether. I hadn't heard much about Hank Bachmeier since that recruiting cycle, but just looked him up. He committed to Boise State where he split time at QB his freshman year and started each of the last two years. Looks like a pretty good player who would have contributed if he had been offered and come to Stanford.

Quick revision:

The plan (as bad as it was) was to not offer a 2019 QB at all. Hilinski was a total last-minute hail mary that didn't work out.

Hank Bachmeier committed to Boise State in May, and turned down a bunch of late P5 suitors trying to flip him later that summer. I doubt a total last-minute hail mary would've changed his mind regardless.

Given the state of Stanford's QB room, I wonder whether Tiger's brother would be interested, and academically positioned, to transfer to Stanford. I assume he would be the front-runner to start in 2023. With COVID policy to thank for 2 years of eligibility, he theoretically could transfer as an undergrad and get a big step up in the value of his degree. That might mean more than football for his future since his stature and stats strike me more as "excellent college QB," than "NFL QB potential."

Academically maybe (has a 3.40 GPA), but he's listed as a senior so is likely graduating early and NFL-bound anyways after this coming season.

Also note that "stature" no longer matters. Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, and top QB prospects in the coming 2022 draft, Liberty QB Malik Willis (6'0 3/8"), UNC QB Sam Howell (6'0 1/4"), and Ole Miss QB Matt Corral (6'1") all send their regards.

ALSO, Shaw didn't know wtf to do with a grad transfer QB that just came in recently anyways. The Denny's Menu, 95% of which is not used, is just too complex, I guess.

Well, the fact that he transferred from the Air Force Academy probably also contributed. He was behind a current starting NFL QB last year and likely a future NFL draftee. I’m not entirely sure what we could have done with him other than moving him in front of Jac West sooner.

BC

RE: Class of 2023 - msqueri - 03-04-2022

Quote:Well, the fact that he transferred from the Air Force Academy probably also contributed. He was behind a current starting NFL QB last year and likely a future NFL draftee. I’m not entirely sure what we could have done with him other than moving him in front of Jac West sooner.

BC

Thanks for the kind words earlier BC! Hopefully I can continue posting here, started lurking again a week ago and am glad to be in the mix.

To me what was weird and annoying about the Isaiah Sanders' usage was our complete refusal to let him play quarterback. He had started multiple games as a major college football starting quarterback and could have been viewed as a legitimate backup. Yes, Air Force is a different beast, but if you look at his starts against UNLV and Boise State he played great and racked up a ton of yards, including through the air. We could have let him be a backup QB. Instead we insisted on wildcat only, even to absurd extremes in the Utah and Oregon State games. One absurd extreme: we literally subbed in and out West and Sanders mid-series and telegraphed whether it was going to be a run or pass play. Another absurd extreme: we played Dylan Plautz at QB in a Pac-12 game.

The way things played out with Sanders was really a head-scratcher. I see two possibilities:

(1) Shawvita closed-mindedly and unstrategically decided long ago that Isaiah Sanders was a certain kind of weapon, in large part because it's very rare for a team to have to go to a third string QB or worse and because Shawvita love specialization and "personnel packages." Plays in that narrow package are all that Sanders was taught/practiced. When we experienced dire straits in terms of QB depth Sanders did not have the full offense at his disposal and a combination of necessity and stubbornness compel;ed our brain trust to look to QBs who have not been pigeonholed into specific "packages," like West and Plautz.

(2) Sanders had an upper body injury that made him a fundamentally different QB than the guy who racked up 390 yards of offense in defeating UNLV and then one week later exchanged haymakers with 10 win Boise State to get over 300 yards against a very good defense.

Sanders' two years on the Farm felt like a guy who came to Stanford for personal/academic/career reasons and got to play football as a bonus but wasn't part of the football team's plans. Because our coaches are so obsessed with the years-long training in our offense for QBs, they viewed Sanders as a good locker room guy, stellar community leader who would reflect well on the program, and niche/gadget wildcat option. I don't think we really viewed him as a legitimate QB and that ended up having really ugly results by the end of the season, which was frustrating because he was a proven legitimate QB at another school.

RE: Class of 2023 - DC 86 - 03-04-2022

(03-04-2022, 09:30 AM)msqueri Wrote: I don't think we really viewed him as a legitimate QB and that ended up having really ugly results by the end of the season, which was frustrating because he was a proven legitimate QB at another school.

I'm not sure why we limited our use of Sanders as we did. Even in his designated packages it seemed as if he wasn't given any passing options and was strictly viewed as a wildcat runner, which defenses loaded up against.

But characterizing him as a "proven legitimate QB" is a stretch. He played at Air Force for three years and finished with four passing touchdowns and four interceptions. He split time with Donald Hammond in 2018 and then Hammond won the full time job in 2019. Indeed he played really well against UNLV and BSU as you said, but those are the only two games in his entire career in which he recorded over 200 total yards (passing + rushing). He only had two other games in his career in which he recorded over 100 total yards.

I do think he could have been used much more creatively at Stanford but there's no evidence to suggest that he was the solution to Stanford's quarterback problems. He wasn't a legitimate competitor to Davis Mills or Tanner McKee and as an option quarterback he would have required a fundamental restructuring of Stanford's offense. There are many legitimate criticisms of Shaw/Pritchard but usage of Sanders ranks pretty low for me.

RE: Class of 2023 - msqueri - 03-04-2022

(03-04-2022, 11:06 AM)DC 86 Wrote:
(03-04-2022, 09:30 AM)msqueri Wrote: I don't think we really viewed him as a legitimate QB and that ended up having really ugly results by the end of the season, which was frustrating because he was a proven legitimate QB at another school.

I'm not sure why we limited our use of Sanders as we did. Even in his designated packages it seemed as if he wasn't given any passing options and was strictly viewed as a wildcat runner, which defenses loaded up against.

But characterizing him as a "proven legitimate QB" is a stretch. He played at Air Force for three years and finished with four passing touchdowns and four interceptions. He split time with Donald Hammond in 2018 and then Hammond won the full time job in 2019. Indeed he played really well against UNLV and BSU as you said, but those are the only two games in his entire career in which he recorded over 200 total yards (passing + rushing). He only had two other games in his career in which he recorded over 100 total yards.

I do think he could have been used much more creatively at Stanford but there's no evidence to suggest that he was the solution to Stanford's quarterback problems. He wasn't a legitimate competitor to Davis Mills or Tanner McKee and as an option quarterback he would have required a fundamental restructuring of Stanford's offense. There are many legitimate criticisms of Shaw/Pritchard but usage of Sanders ranks pretty low for me.

I wasn't saying he was a proven QB1 but rather that his level of play is quite proven for what major college football teams can expect from QB2 or QB3 these days, given the transfer portal. The comparison isn't to being a legitimate contender to Mills or McKee. That's a strawman. It's as a competitor to Jack West, Ari Patu, and Dylan Plautz. We didn't let Sanders play the actual QB position. I definitely think his four touchdown/four interception, couple of good game, four 100+ yard game resume outstrips what could be expected from a true freshman Patu or walk-on Plautz, yet we apparently didn't let him compete for that and instead made him a wildcat.

RE: Class of 2023 - Phogge - 03-04-2022

The season was going to schit regardless of who was at QB. Patu got reps before he was hurt and that may pay off when McKee gets hurt in 2022. Patu is probably the long term guy.