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Crazy Idea... - Row80Critic - 11-03-2021

Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

RE: Crazy Idea... - Phogge - 11-03-2021

NO!!! He would hire Tavita!!!

RE: Crazy Idea... - PAsportsfan - 11-03-2021

I thought of that before and realized he would ruin the whole department. He's too nice, can't fire anyone. A better fit would be in development/fundraiser.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Red80 - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

Shaw could win again ("Bigly") if he would crank up recruiting (This class is shaping up pretty good) and get back to what made Stanford a force in the P12: Power Running out of heavy formations, combined with more power running out of heavy formations, along with even more power running out of heavy formations. It's the foremost way Stanford went to Rose Bowls in '12, '13, '15, and came within one possession of going to another in '17.

Stanford WAS different during those seasons. They played a unique brand of football that produced championships. I'll get excited about Stanford football if and when they return to running the Power O system on offense. Stanford's opponents used to hate its offense for two BIG reasons: 1. They physically punished, even humiliated defenses. 2. Would not let their offenses get on the field. Playing "keep-away" drove opposing coaches, players, and fans wacko, while Stanford plowed their way to Pasadena.

I think Stanford could get back to this brand of football and I hope they do. Bring it back, David, bring it back.

RE: Crazy Idea... - winflop - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 07:38 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

Shaw could win again ("Bigly") if he would crank up recruiting (This class is shaping up pretty good) and get back to what made Stanford a force in the P12: Power Running out of heavy formations, combined with more power running out of heavy formations, along with even more power running out of heavy formations. It's the foremost way Stanford went to Rose Bowls in '12, '13, '15, and came within one possession of going to another in '17.

Stanford WAS different during those seasons. They played a unique brand of football that produced championships. I'll get excited about Stanford football if and when they return to running the Power O system on offense. Stanford's opponents used to hate its offense for two BIG reasons: 1. They physically punished, even humiliated defenses. 2. Would not let their offenses get on the field. Playing "keep-away" drove opposing coaches, players, and fans wacko, while Stanford plowed their way to Pasadena.

I think Stanford could get back to this brand of football and I hope they do. Bring it back, David, bring it back.

I'd agree if recruiting were the only big problem. Sadly it isn't. S&C/training is broken, and to a player development has regressed.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Row80Critic - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 06:48 PM)Phogge Wrote: NO!!! He would hire Tavita!!!

Same problem there, so Tavita would be assistant AD. ;)

RE: Crazy Idea... - Red80 - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 07:56 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:38 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

Shaw could win again ("Bigly") if he would crank up recruiting (This class is shaping up pretty good) and get back to what made Stanford a force in the P12: Power Running out of heavy formations, combined with more power running out of heavy formations, along with even more power running out of heavy formations. It's the foremost way Stanford went to Rose Bowls in '12, '13, '15, and came within one possession of going to another in '17.

Stanford WAS different during those seasons. They played a unique brand of football that produced championships. I'll get excited about Stanford football if and when they return to running the Power O system on offense. Stanford's opponents used to hate its offense for two BIG reasons: 1. They physically punished, even humiliated defenses. 2. Would not let their offenses get on the field. Playing "keep-away" drove opposing coaches, players, and fans wacko, while Stanford plowed their way to Pasadena.

I think Stanford could get back to this brand of football and I hope they do. Bring it back, David, bring it back.

I'd agree if recruiting were the only big problem. Sadly it isn't. S&C/training is broken, and to a player development has regressed.

I agree. It's striking how less physical the team is. I also sense a less intense desire to win, or perhaps an increasing acceptance of losing. There's no outward fire on this team and no one who strikes me as a leader, especially on defense.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Goose - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 08:06 PM)Red80 Wrote: [ agree. It's striking how less physical the team is. I also sense a less intense desire to win, or perhaps an increasing acceptance of losing. There's no outward fire on this team and no one who strikes me as a leader, especially on defense.

IMHO you are exactly correct. I don't get the feeling that anybody on the OL wants to push people around. We hear on this board a lot of wailing about how "Recruiting has cratered". There are 6 guys on the OL that are every bit as highly ranked recruits as some of the previous Stanford lines that DID push people around. I think there is no question that Stanford has lost the edge there. The discussion of the effect Toby Gerhart had on the OL play was very interesting. We need to get that edge back.

RE: Crazy Idea... - gailtate - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 08:06 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:56 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:38 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

Shaw could win again ("Bigly") if he would crank up recruiting (This class is shaping up pretty good) and get back to what made Stanford a force in the P12: Power Running out of heavy formations, combined with more power running out of heavy formations, along with even more power running out of heavy formations. It's the foremost way Stanford went to Rose Bowls in '12, '13, '15, and came within one possession of going to another in '17.

Stanford WAS different during those seasons. They played a unique brand of football that produced championships. I'll get excited about Stanford football if and when they return to running the Power O system on offense. Stanford's opponents used to hate its offense for two BIG reasons: 1. They physically punished, even humiliated defenses. 2. Would not let their offenses get on the field. Playing "keep-away" drove opposing coaches, players, and fans wacko, while Stanford plowed their way to Pasadena.

I think Stanford could get back to this brand of football and I hope they do. Bring it back, David, bring it back.

I'd agree if recruiting were the only big problem. Sadly it isn't. S&C/training is broken, and to a player development has regressed.
I agree. It's striking how less physical the team is. I also sense a less intense desire to win, or perhaps an increasing acceptance of losing. There's no outward fire on this team and no one who strikes me as a leader, especially on defense.

The culture of losing, the culture that Harbaugh was hired by Bob Bowlsby to change right after 2006 season, has returned in full force and is taking root. This is why any direct connection of Shaw to the future will doom Stanford football in perpetuity. He needs to step down, step away and bless whatever new era can be established. Otherwise? We'll have a New King, same as the Old King. Smirk and snicker all you want, but this is bound to happen. Shaw is not the guy anymore. He is NOT the guy.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Red80 - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 07:56 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:38 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

Shaw could win again ("Bigly") if he would crank up recruiting (This class is shaping up pretty good) and get back to what made Stanford a force in the P12: Power Running out of heavy formations, combined with more power running out of heavy formations, along with even more power running out of heavy formations. It's the foremost way Stanford went to Rose Bowls in '12, '13, '15, and came within one possession of going to another in '17.

Stanford WAS different during those seasons. They played a unique brand of football that produced championships. I'll get excited about Stanford football if and when they return to running the Power O system on offense. Stanford's opponents used to hate its offense for two BIG reasons: 1. They physically punished, even humiliated defenses. 2. Would not let their offenses get on the field. Playing "keep-away" drove opposing coaches, players, and fans wacko, while Stanford plowed their way to Pasadena.

I think Stanford could get back to this brand of football and I hope they do. Bring it back, David, bring it back.

I'd agree if recruiting were the only big problem. Sadly it isn't. S&C/training is broken, and to a player development has regressed.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Brickcity - 11-03-2021

(11-03-2021, 09:16 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:56 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:38 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

Shaw could win again ("Bigly") if he would crank up recruiting (This class is shaping up pretty good) and get back to what made Stanford a force in the P12: Power Running out of heavy formations, combined with more power running out of heavy formations, along with even more power running out of heavy formations. It's the foremost way Stanford went to Rose Bowls in '12, '13, '15, and came within one possession of going to another in '17.

Stanford WAS different during those seasons. They played a unique brand of football that produced championships. I'll get excited about Stanford football if and when they return to running the Power O system on offense. Stanford's opponents used to hate its offense for two BIG reasons: 1. They physically punished, even humiliated defenses. 2. Would not let their offenses get on the field. Playing "keep-away" drove opposing coaches, players, and fans wacko, while Stanford plowed their way to Pasadena.

I think Stanford could get back to this brand of football and I hope they do. Bring it back, David, bring it back.

I'd agree if recruiting were the only big problem. Sadly it isn't. S&C/training is broken, and to a player development has regressed.
I agree. It's striking how less physical the team is. I also sense a less intense desire to win, or perhaps an increasing acceptance of losing. There's no outward fire on this team and no one who strikes me as a leader, especially on defense.

I know I've posted either here or on another board - and I doubt I'm the only one to do so - that Shaw has never exhibited anywhere near the competitive hunger that Harbaugh had. Some argued early in Shaw's tenure as head coach that Shaw simply didn't wear his competitiveness on his sleeve. But, I think it's clear after a decade at the helm that he just doesn't have "it."

RE: Crazy Idea... - JustAnotherFan - 11-04-2021

(11-03-2021, 08:06 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:56 PM)winflop Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 07:38 PM)Red80 Wrote:
(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

Shaw could win again ("Bigly") if he would crank up recruiting (This class is shaping up pretty good) and get back to what made Stanford a force in the P12: Power Running out of heavy formations, combined with more power running out of heavy formations, along with even more power running out of heavy formations. It's the foremost way Stanford went to Rose Bowls in '12, '13, '15, and came within one possession of going to another in '17.

Stanford WAS different during those seasons. They played a unique brand of football that produced championships. I'll get excited about Stanford football if and when they return to running the Power O system on offense. Stanford's opponents used to hate its offense for two BIG reasons: 1. They physically punished, even humiliated defenses. 2. Would not let their offenses get on the field. Playing "keep-away" drove opposing coaches, players, and fans wacko, while Stanford plowed their way to Pasadena.

I think Stanford could get back to this brand of football and I hope they do. Bring it back, David, bring it back.

I'd agree if recruiting were the only big problem. Sadly it isn't. S&C/training is broken, and to a player development has regressed.
I agree. It's striking how less physical the team is. I also sense a less intense desire to win, or perhaps an increasing acceptance of losing. There's no outward fire on this team and no one who strikes me as a leader, especially on defense.

Attitude reflects leadership, [coach].

RE: Crazy Idea... - slide - 11-04-2021

(11-04-2021, 02:19 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Attitude reflects leadership, [coach].

yes, team takes on the demeanor of its head man. I recall years ago Shaw (paraphrasing) that it was not his job to motivate the team. still SMH...

RE: Crazy Idea... - Red80 - 11-04-2021

(11-04-2021, 07:19 AM)slide Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 02:19 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: Attitude reflects leadership, [coach].

yes, team takes on the demeanor of its head man. I recall years ago Shaw (paraphrasing) that it was not his job to motivate the team. still SMH...

Shaw: "Hey, I'm not a motivator. I want motivated people." I remember him saying that and thinking, that's...different.

RE: Crazy Idea... - OutsiderFan - 11-04-2021

On the topic of motivating, from Warriors game last night...

The W's were playing sloppy basketball in the first quarter and Steve Kerr was upset, almost resigned to defeat. Then Draymond Green told him how bad his body language looked, and he realized he needed to change, that it was his responsibility to inspire the team. In fact, Kerr's went on to say he was acting like a pouting child and he was not proud of his behavior.

How refreshing to see a coach admit fault and acknowledge part of his job is to inspire his players to perform.

I say this in response to the "I'm not a motivator. I want motivated players" post above.

Oh, should say the Warriors went on to win the game by 22 points.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Phogge - 11-04-2021

Takes too much energy to motivate. I bet Shaw never sleeps on a cot in his office.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Goose - 11-04-2021

(11-04-2021, 10:29 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: On the topic of motivating, from Warriors game last night...

The W's were playing sloppy basketball in the first quarter and Steve Kerr was upset, almost resigned to defeat. Then Draymond Green told him how bad his body language looked, and he realized he needed to change, that it was his responsibility to inspire the team. In fact, Kerr's went on to say he was acting like a pouting child and he was not proud of his behavior.

How refreshing to see a coach admit fault and acknowledge part of his job is to inspire his players to perform.

I say this in response to the "I'm not a motivator. I want motivated players" post above.

Oh, should say the Warriors went on to win the game by 22 points.

Couple of ways to look at this. One way is that Kerr needed a Draymond Green to motivate him, and failing that he doesn't react and loses the game. Who is the Draymond Green on Stanford's team right now?
Another way is that the Warriors respect Kerr so much that they pay attention to how he behaves. I kind of think that Kerr and Shaw are a lot alike. The main difference is that Kerr is coaching mostly professionals (with a few young kids mixed in), and Shaw is coaching college kids. Big difference.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Phogge - 11-04-2021

There is no Skov, Gardner, Howell or Michael Thomas. None. There is no Debniak playing like his hair is on fire. Nobody even close to bringing what Mike Simone brought to every down. Nobody like Jimmy Kauffman to make a play of the decade.

I'm sure that they are very nice kids.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Snorlax94 - 11-04-2021

(11-03-2021, 06:40 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: Shaw's not going anywhere. He's a great guy, beloved by all, perfect diplomat and representative, embodies the University, winningest coach ever, etc., etc. So.....

How about making him to A.D. so the football team can try something different?

I think David Shaw is a great person and when he is done being coach for the football team I hope and I'd think there is a way for him to stay involved in the university. At some point, I do think he'll try his hand in the NFL, and he'll be given an opportunity because the skills you need in the NFL are different than the ones in college. For one, he's a respected analyst for the NFL draft, and that's one of the best ways an NFL team can excel -- just look at what drafting Richard Sherman in the fifth round and picking up Doug Baldwin as a UDFA did for Seattle.

But when you're in the NFL, the clock is ticking, and you can have a very, very short time there.

Lots of Stanford people stay involved in the university. Coach Willingham volunteers in various capacities. Bill Walsh became a Hoover fellow and he was also a consultant to the AD. I could one day see Shaw in more of a capacity like that.

Oh, but I don't think his role will be or should be as AD. ADs have to fundraise, they have to manage, and they need to find the next great coach for a variety of sports. They need to structure contracts in a way that protects the university's interests, motivate and don't waste money. Just because we may be unsatisfied with Muir doesn't mean Shaw would be a great fit for it. Athletic Director is an important job with its own unique qualifications. I actually think we underappreciated the job before and kind of settled with Muir last time and that helped put us where we are now in football and men's basketball.

RE: Crazy Idea... - Phogge - 11-04-2021

Did Coach Willingham ever advise Shaw on passing from punt formation while 40 or 50 points ahead?