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Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Papa John - 08-26-2021
The season opens in nine days, so I thought it might be appropriate to start a new thread related directly to the game.
K-State has one major injury reported from its preseason camp. OL Taylor Poitier is injured and lost for the season. Not sure if he would be a starter, but he saw action last year as a redshirt freshman and would have definitely been a part of the OL rotation.
As I've mentioned before, K-State QB Skylar Thompson is a real threat. He's led the team to two victories over Oklahoma and his QBR in his injury-shortened 2020 season was at 165.3. That's Andrew Luck-esque, although it was only over three games. Still, his QBR in the full 2019 season was a solid 135.0. In his 3+ years, Thompson has thrown 30 TDs against 12 INTs and has rushed for 22 (!) TDs.
Overall, K-State runs a balanced offense under head coach Chris Klieman. In 2019, their yards per game passing and rushing were almost equal. But in terms of scoring, they scored 12 TDs passing and 29 rushing.
A good source of information on Stanford's September 4th opponent: https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Spiny_Norman - 08-26-2021
Stanford's defense will be strongly tested. Not only is Thompson a run/pass threat, K State has another RB in the Darren Sproles mold. Deuce Vaughn is 5'6", 173 lbs who was the Big 12 Frosh of the Year last year and a Freshman All American. He rushed for 642 yards, caught 25 passes and returned kicks. He's the kind of small, quick player who has given Stanford fits over the years.
K State likes to rotate their RBs and Stanford is likely to face true frosh big back (6'1", 207 lbs) DJ Giddens. He has stood out in fall practice.
Stanford will also face a familiar face at TE. Daniel Imatorbhebhe is playing his 7th college season for his 4th school. He played for USC from 2015-2019, catching one pass for 48 yards vs. Stanford in the 2017 conference championship game. Man, that seems like ages ago.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - CardinalSagehen - 08-26-2021
(08-26-2021, 12:37 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Stanford will also face a familiar face at TE. Daniel Imatorbhebhe is playing his 7th college season for his 4th school. He played for USC from 2015-2019, catching one pass for 48 yards vs. Stanford in the 2017 conference championship game. Man, that seems like ages ago.
If that guy catches another pass against us, I'm going to cry foul! Not fair! He earned his Bachelor's Degree from USC over three years ago!
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Phogge - 08-26-2021
We had guys playing at least seven seasons in the old FWC.
My college baseball coach played a couple of football seasons at St. Mary's then three during the Korean War for the powerful Ford Ord team and next four seasons at SF State. The good ole days.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - oman - 08-26-2021
It's on, sumbitches!
Section 336! Mask in pocket!
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RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - oman - 08-28-2021
Bump so it's on first page.
Which is kind of pathetic.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - baycommuter - 08-28-2021
My son has two friends who are sixth-year college athletes. If they keep extending eligibility it seems like a new career path.
(08-26-2021, 12:37 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Stanford will also face a familiar face at TE. Daniel Imatorbhebhe is playing his 7th college season for his 4th school. He played for USC from 2015-2019, catching one pass for 48 yards vs. Stanford in the 2017 conference championship game. Man, that seems like ages ago.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Papa John - 08-29-2021
A writer from the Wichita Eagle gives some more insights into K-State and offers a prediction for Saturday's game (hint: it's a K-State column):
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article253740243.html
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - CTcard - 08-30-2021
(08-29-2021, 04:17 PM)Papa John Wrote: A writer from the Wichita Eagle gives some more insights into K-State and offers a prediction for Saturday's game (hint: it's a K-State column):
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article253740243.html
There certainly is useful information in there, if not necessarily in the predictions.
While I think of K State as a defense-first team, this writer feels much more comfortable with the offense which apparently will be very experienced. That seems like the main takeaway from this article for me.
Their QB (Skylar Thompson) is a sixth year player. Started 2018, 2019 when healthy, and got injured early in his third game in 2020.
Throws a medium amount in a passing conference - averaged 23 attempts per game in 2019, 2020. (Mills had 39 attempts per game last year) Kansas State has averaged the fewest pass attempts per game in the Big 12 each year since 2016 inclusive. Mostly they haven't been very efficient at it, being toward the bottom in Big 12 PER in all of those years as well.
Thompson's final full game of 2020 vs Oklahoma was probably his best career performance, going 18-25, 334 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT.
Experience alone probably puts them well above us at QB, but he is unlikely to be one of the better passers we'll face this year.
Their run game has been the more important part of their offense, though it has been tailing off in recent years: dropping in yds/gm and yds/att in each of the past 4 seasons. They haven't relied on a single RB the past few years, though they seem to think their soph Deuce Vaughn could be that guy this year. Last year he averaged 64 yds/gm on a team that averaged 152 yds/gm.
It may be their defense is in some trouble this year, which doesn't sound like K State. Last year K State was 8th in the 10 team Big 12 in yds allowed/gm, 9th in yds/play. Their numbers were roughly similar to Stanford's last year, though not sure if that is a meaningful comparison. If that author is correct that the K State defense has big holes versus last year, they could be in some trouble.
K State seems to have a pile of transfer players, which is becoming the norm. It will be interesting to see if they can be incorporated into the team as quickly as seems to work in basketball.
Not sure what to make of all this. Maybe that this may be a higher scoring game than I had initially assumed.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Papa John - 08-30-2021
Here are highlights from last year's K-State win over Oklahoma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m95tYeHmw2U
Note that Skylar Thompson also rushed for 3 TDs. Stanford's defense will be tested on Saturday.
And discussion K-State's depth chart here:
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article253852153.html
Note that Daniel Imatorbhebhe, transfer from USC, is not listed as a starter at TE.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Snorlax94 - 08-30-2021
(08-29-2021, 04:17 PM)Papa John Wrote: A writer from the Wichita Eagle gives some more insights into K-State and offers a prediction for Saturday's game (hint: it's a K-State column):
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article253740243.html
I had read this and generally have been seeing similar comments around -- that K State is particularly excited about its offense this year due to the return of Skylar Thompson from injury, and they are particularly worried about their defense this year -- replacing linebackers and concerns about their secondary.
Some thoughts - Bad News
K-State started last year 4-0 until their QB got injured, so, arguably, we should look at their 4-0 start and their win over Oklahoma as more representative of the team we will face.
I watched a highlight tape of Skylar and he can do a lot. He sells fakes and has a repertoire of play action, he has dropped in over-the shoulder flies, hit receivers deep exploiting 1 on 1 matchups, put soft touch on receivers on short passes, and, though he is a bit of an awkward horizontal runner, when he gets vertical, he has a nice, fairly rare straight-line top speed for a QB.
At least in the past, he ran a tough option where he lowers his shoulder and can punch it into the end zone, though, if after his injury, they are still running the option, I think the coach should have his head examined.
They have a dart-like RB that has historically given Stanford problems.
Thoughts - The OK news:
Though the QB has good vertical speed, he is a lumbering runner horizontally and in the pocket, and I think it's the spry QBs like Marcus Mariota and even pocket shufflers that have been particularly problematic.
They have new receivers and just lost a starting lineman for the year, so the corps around the QB could be new and I'd be surprised if they are already "gelling."
They didn't announce the exact cause of Skylar's injury last year, but they indicated it was to his upper body and his throwing arm, which had to be "rebuilt." So, I'd be surprised (and impressed!) if Skylar goes out there picking up where he left off last year.
Stanford beat K-State 26-13 in 2016 at home, and that was with Ryan Burns (!) making his first career start throwing 14/18 for 156 yards and a TD. So, we got it done last time with a new QB (and new center, to my recollection). Granted, we had C-MAC last time, who ran for 2 touchdowns and had that 97 yard punt return called back (remember that?).
But I am hopeful this year's o-line is better than the 2016 line. If Stanford can get a lead, hopefully the o-line can grind it out.
Listening to Shaw's comments, I was struck by all the flexibility in the players and all the alignments and switches that may be coming.
Let's not forget we also have a 6th year QB in Isaiah Sanders. I don't see him starting, but I think Stanford has a wide enough array of weapons, formations, and packages to give a defensive coordinator a lot to handle during the first few weeks.
Later in the season, more players like the QB are going to have to deliver, but at the start of the season, our opponents won't know the new tendencies yet, and they won't necessarily know the personnel limitations, so hopefully there will be some nice, positive surprises.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - 82lsju - 08-30-2021
(08-30-2021, 12:28 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote: Some thoughts - Bad News
K-State started last year 4-0 until their QB got injured, so, arguably, we should look at their 4-0 start and their win over Oklahoma as more representative of the team we will face.
In the Oklahoma game it was Oklahoma's QB's (Spencer Rattler) second start and KSU was +4 on turnovers (OU 3 int and 1 fumble lost (Rattler also had a fumble that OU recovered)). If OU takes better care of the ball they would probably have won. The rest of the season Rattler only had 4 ints so was KSU's defense that good or was OU having an off day??
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Spiny_Norman - 08-30-2021
Depth chart is posted - https://gostanford.com/documents/2021/8/30/Stanford_Depth_Chart_Week_1.pdf
Jack West OR Tanner McKee. Long snapper will be Parsons OR Petrucci. Punt returner Farrell OR Filkins. Everything else is pretty well set.
Michael Wilson, Salim Turner-Muhammad, Jonathan McGill not listed.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - slide - 08-30-2021
Noah Williams starting. missing 2 of what was expected to be starting 5 in secondary. and this in probably our weakest position group on the team. tough way to begin the year.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - gailtate - 08-30-2021
(08-30-2021, 12:28 PM)Snorlax94 Wrote:(08-29-2021, 04:17 PM)Papa John Wrote: A writer from the Wichita Eagle gives some more insights into K-State and offers a prediction for Saturday's game (hint: it's a K-State column):
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article253740243.html
I had read this and generally have been seeing similar comments around -- that K State is particularly excited about its offense this year due to the return of Skylar Thompson from injury, and they are particularly worried about their defense this year -- replacing linebackers and concerns about their secondary.
Some thoughts - Bad News
K-State started last year 4-0 until their QB got injured, so, arguably, we should look at their 4-0 start and their win over Oklahoma as more representative of the team we will face.
I watched a highlight tape of Skylar and he can do a lot. He sells fakes and has a repertoire of play action, he has dropped in over-the shoulder flies, hit receivers deep exploiting 1 on 1 matchups, put soft touch on receivers on short passes, and, though he is a bit of an awkward horizontal runner, when he gets vertical, he has a nice, fairly rare straight-line top speed for a QB.
At least in the past, he ran a tough option where he lowers his shoulder and can punch it into the end zone, though, if after his injury, they are still running the option, I think the coach should have his head examined.
They have a dart-like RB that has historically given Stanford problems.
Thoughts - The OK news:
Though the QB has good vertical speed, he is a lumbering runner horizontally and in the pocket, and I think it's the spry QBs like Marcus Mariota and even pocket shufflers that have been particularly problematic.
They have new receivers and just lost a starting lineman for the year, so the corps around the QB could be new and I'd be surprised if they are already "gelling."
They didn't announce the exact cause of Skylar's injury last year, but they indicated it was to his upper body and his throwing arm, which had to be "rebuilt." So, I'd be surprised (and impressed!) if Skylar goes out there picking up where he left off last year.
Stanford beat K-State 26-13 in 2016 at home, and that was with Ryan Burns (!) making his first career start throwing 14/18 for 156 yards and a TD. So, we got it done last time with a new QB (and new center, to my recollection). Granted, we had C-MAC last time, who ran for 2 touchdowns and had that 97 yard punt return called back (remember that?).
But I am hopeful this year's o-line is better than the 2016 line. If Stanford can get a lead, hopefully the o-line can grind it out.
Listening to Shaw's comments, I was struck by all the flexibility in the players and all the alignments and switches that may be coming.
Let's not forget we also have a 6th year QB in Isaiah Sanders. I don't see him starting, but I think Stanford has a wide enough array of weapons, formations, and packages to give a defensive coordinator a lot to handle during the first few weeks.
Later in the season, more players like the QB are going to have to deliver, but at the start of the season, our opponents won't know the new tendencies yet, and they won't necessarily know the personnel limitations, so hopefully there will be some nice, positive surprises.
2016?? So long ago. Not much of an indicator as to what happens Saturday, other than a reminder of how much more beatable Stanford is in 2021. Roster comparison to back then is stunning. The absence of CMac (along with today's lack of anything close to his caliber) is only the beginning. This year, I hope a real QB emerges and that we stay healthy. In today's terms this would be a win.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Papa John - 08-31-2021
Per the coach and players, K-State's rebuilt defense is going to be better--and meaner and nastier--than last year's defense.
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article253859608.html
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - Papa John - 09-01-2021
And another perspective on what K-State needs to do to beat Stanford:
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2021/09/01/five-keys-to-victory-for-kansas-state-vs-stanford/
Of course, all five items mentioned are exactly what Stanford needs to do to beat K-State.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - oman - 09-01-2021
Curious as to whether recent political actions by our Texas Legislature/Governor will lead to any comments -- or actions -- by Stanford/Pac12.
I certainly expect there may be repercussions regarding future events.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - ADPinWDC - 09-01-2021
What do we want to see in particular first game?
1) West or McKee gain confidence making throws -- I think the Receiving Corp will help here by making catches with throws a little off.
-- We have guys that can go deep: Farrell and Bowman go sub-11 seconds in the 100 dash. Humphries. We can get open.
2) The O-Line over-performs: Protection, and the Tunnel Workers Union back in action.
3) A few longer runs: a) from Peat. b) Get the ball on short passes or pitches to Casey Filkins, moves like CMcCaff.
4) Sacks, TFL -- We lost the #PartyInTheBackfield tradition under Skov-Gardner-Murphy-Phillips-Martinez... Booker is touted.
5) Anyone special emerge on Special Teams... Filkins? With McCaff that was brobdingnagian for us.
Worried about the big play long ball by Skyler Thompson against a green secondary.
RE: Stanford Football versus Kansas State - fullmetal - 09-02-2021
Dual QBs have long been a thorn in Stanford's side iirc...we just never figure it out, and Oregon loves to take advantage. Our weakness at linebacker makes Stanford particularly susceptible, and I grow a little anxious about the game as I think about our lack of corner depth this weekend.